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Game 19: Yankees at Tigers

New York Yankees at Detroit Tigers, Apr 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT


  CC Sabathia (1-1, 4.81) vs.   Justin Verlander (0-2, 9.00) , 7:05 p.m. EST

After a 5-4 road trip, the Detroit Tigers return home (and, thankfully for most of us, to the Eastern time zone) as a first-place team.  For only their sixth home game of this young season, the Tigers welcome the vaunted New York Yankees to Comerica Park.  (It's okay, Peter AbrahamYou won't get mugged.)  And the Yanks might be smarting a bit after getting swept over the weekend in Boston.

CC Sabathia was roughed up by the A's in his previous start, giving up six earned runs (and four walks) in 6.1 innings.  Mr. Baggy Pants only faced Detroit once before getting traded to the National League in July, and the Tigers hung nine runs on him in just four innings.  For his career, Sabathia is 13-9 with a 4.70 ERA in 26 starts versus the Tigers.

Justin Verlander doesn't have much to brag about from his last start, either.  Though his stuff seems to be back, any thoughts that it was coming together for him went out the window against the Angels.  Verlander gave up seven runs and nine hits in five innings, and looked traumatized in the dugout afterwards.  Maybe returning to his home park will help settle him down, though the Yankees probably won't do him any favors.  In his lone start against the Bronx Bombers, Verlander was bombed for eight runs (five earned) in just 1.2 innings.

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Mr. Abraham can.....

in the immortal words of one Frank Zappa, “Ram it, ram it, ram it….ram it up his poop shoot.”

I’m not from Detroit, nor Michigan, but he can stay in NY and get the flu……

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, along the same lines....

anybody want to buy a Pontiac?

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not since the firebird

though I never really wanted one of those either.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

this game isn’t in HD either? I can understand the road games, but home games when no other detroit team is playing? no excuse, FSN

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lineups

EVIL EMPIRE

D. Jeter SS
J. Damon LF
M. Teixeira 1B
H. Matsui DH
R. Cano 2B
N. Swisher RF
M. Cabrera CF
J. Molina C
R. Pena 3B

P: CC Sabathia

TIGERS

C. Granderson CF
P. Polanco 2B
M. Ordonez RF
M. Cabrera 1B
C. Guillen DH
G. Laird C
B. Inge 3B
R. Raburn LF
A. Everett SS

P: Justin Verlander

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Full disclosure: Yankees Fan here

A couple of us over at PA were wondering whats up with Verlander the past year or so. A lot of us felt he was gonna be the next Smotlz or something.

"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview

by yankee come lately on Apr 27, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a lot of us Tigers fans are too

Last year, his fast ball was off. He just never seemed to get untracked. This year, his stuff has been good but he’s had innings unravel on him. 12 up, 12 down against Seattle, before he imploded in the fifth.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looked good that inning

"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview

by yankee come lately on Apr 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

expect that

he’ll look great. the only question is if he looks great the whole game or not. and that, I don’t think anyone has the answer for.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clutch K by Jeter

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Apr 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A family of four

could live comfortably in Sabathia’s pants.

by NCDee on Apr 27, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anytime I see Damon getting ready to throw

i start giggling uncontrollably

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Apr 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in Detroit

apparently like 70 or 75.

way up north, colder than a witch’s … so quite comfortable by our standards.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey guys

wow inge is locked in.

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by Packey on Apr 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon raburn

we WANT to like you, but you’re making it hard this year

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Raburn take 75 south...

why not give Wilkin Ramirez some big league at-bats and see what he can do? Do they just want him playing everyday?

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

probably that

and he’s not exactly beating up the international league right now either, like Raburn did.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polanco was intimidated

by Captain Clutch running down to first

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pena

Rocking the Mr. T starter kit.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday video feeds

SInce when are they no longer free?

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I love MLB’s gameday, but up until recently the “in-game” video was free. Now you need an account to see it.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mack...

Just wanted to let you know that the Champaign Cars were great yesterday in their warm up for The Greatest Spectacle in Racing….the Indianapolis 500!

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here's what I don't get

Indy cars are undoubtedly awesome. But why is their biggest event one where they just turn left repeatedly?

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm rolling right now!

You must be a closet Champ Car left over! I am not sure I can answer that except to direct you to the history that is IMS. It isn’t what it used to be back in the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s (well before my time) when you could build your own car and show up. Also, the big attraction used to be hearing Tom Carnegie say “It’s a neeeeew track record!” They don’t allow that to happen anymore, you know…for the sake of lives. If you have never been, I would highly recommend it. It is pure awesomeness.

Granted, I like street/road courses too….

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like road racing, and rally cars

I’m not so much for anything that goes around an oval, except bristol is kinda cool. American Le Mans, when it’s on TV, is pretty cool.

I do like rally cars. Now those are real cars. You show me something that can race in the snow and mud, that’s exciting. And the little XGames style event is awsome, too.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NIck Swisher

I don’t know if I hate him more as a Yankee or White Sox player

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA...

that’s what I thought… I’m actually an Ohio State Alum, and I have always hated the guy

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Swish

and then he went and played for the two most evil teams in baseball…

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Tigers

HAVE to have the hardest throwing pitching staff in the majors right? With Verlander, Jackson, Perry, Zumaya, Rodney, etc

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander

Seems like he is finally pitching the way we had hoped he would this season. That strikeout to runs given up ratio is still puzzling,

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander

That may be the best inning I’ve seen out of him in a couple of years. To bear down like that with two on and no one out.

That’s been what he’s been unable to do in his last starts.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

Hopefully, we can look back at that inning as something that totally got him over the hump.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mario and Rod

talking about Twitter and Facebook.

Welcome to 2009.

by explosivo2k2 on Apr 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

repost: I like road and rally racing

Since it’s getting scrolled way up there:

I’m not so much for anything that goes around an oval, except bristol is kinda cool. American Le Mans, when it’s on TV, is pretty cool.

I do like rally cars. Now those are real cars. You show me something that can race in the snow and mud, that’s exciting. And the little XGames style event is awsome, too.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t mind rally racing, but if you grew up in Indiana, INDY is/was it. Like I said, if you have never been it would be well worth it. We actually camp from Friday until after the race at a school across the street. This will be my 12 year in a row. It is just something that gets ya when you’ve experienced it.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

Just try and imagine what Rod would do with Twitter…..some would never sober up!

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I missed it

What were they saying?

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by Packey on Apr 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rod and Mario

were discussing FB and the Tweet. Rod was asking if Mario Twittered, yada yada….

I just had nightmares of general silliness breaking loose daily.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Carlos

I don’t know if I’ve seen a player get ding after ding after ding like Carlos.

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jose Molina

is the Cooper Manning of the Catching Molinas

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Filthy

How is it that a guy with JV’s stuff gets knocked around ever?

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

regretting benching him in fantasy :(

First Greinke the other night and now him… I should win worst manager of the week.

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by Packey on Apr 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about my main league I'm in with some friends...

I haven’t been following BYB intently considering I forgot about the draft…major derp

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by Packey on Apr 27, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha, so did I

and I’m in second. luck of the draw.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not proud that I mailed it in after missing the draft

my team wasn’t that bad… I’ll start paying more attention

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by Packey on Apr 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in my keeper league

I started both CC and Verlander. I figured either it could go really good or really bad

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JV dealin’ some tonight, huh?

wasn’t sure there was a game tonight….not that with all I have to get done in the next three days, I need another distraction…

by ahtrap on Apr 27, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

@rodallen

twitter is country stong.

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RR

Just keeping Raburn from grounding into the DP, again

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pen

Long as the pen doesn’t mean B.Lyon we’ll be fine

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He went for around 2 innings yesterday

So hopefully he’s not available today

by explosivo2k2 on Apr 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Hopefully that means he’s burnt until June

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rodney

I’m not sold on him yet.

Although he’s less stressful than TJ was.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly I feel like I’m just waiting for the Rodney melt down…just can’t accept him yet as a closer for some reason

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he looks like a new pitcher to me

but everyone blows saves, so it will happen. it’s how he responds to the first blown save that we’ll learn a bit.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

that HR yesterday didn’t help his case, despite the perfect save percentage

by explosivo2k2 on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly…though the change-up has looked mighty fine at times

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great line by Rod

CC Sabathia “not having the athletic ability that most pitchers have”

That means he’s fat.

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he could qualify for the PGA

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mack Ave

Hey Kurt, used to love your blog at the mining journal.

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, thanks

It felt like nobody was reading it, then we turned off the comments on the web site, and it REALLY felt like nobody was reading it. Eventually I just let it die. Thanks for reading though!

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha, yeah, the website needs to get into the digital age.

by SkylineSeats on Apr 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's kind of an MLive deal

Corporate built one style of web site for the entire company and it’s awful, but nothing that could be done. Blogging on it was awful. Everyone at the MJ hates it.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grandy

Plate to third, or first to home…..it puts me close to Boney country….real close.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

Country Strong.

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tigers_fg tweet

4-0, 94 % to Win, Bot 6, 1 Outs, _, Magglio Ordonez home run off pitcher CC Sabathia.

by Detroit4lyfe on Apr 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

must have switched shampoo

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Apr 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a bit

.143 over the last week coming into today’s game

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grandy

When Granderson gets moving and starts to lean and swing that arm, I know he is about to score with some ladies tonight.

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'Ya got me

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Thanks and MitdaKayo announced it to me on twitter haha

by Detroit4lyfe on Apr 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My MLB.com feed

 is about two minutes behind real time. I’m glad you guys let me know when to pay attention.

by NCDee on Apr 27, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's at 99 pitches...

does jimmy send him out to get a quick 8th?

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think so

nothing says he’s running out of gas.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

He’s still pitching well, why spoil it?

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’d like to see zumaya try to close it out

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the 9th that is…

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd send him back out,

but I’m not Old Man River

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes he did

and it was effing close.

by explosivo2k2 on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laird

I think he is a great addition to this team.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugly? Oh,no. Looks good in the tools!

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Apr 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just got caught up on the last couple of innings…so much for Maggs being unable to hit anything but singles, huh? can’t wait until everybody goes on a roll at the same time, this lineup has the potential to put real fear in the hearts of AL pitchers

by ahtrap on Apr 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander

Looks like his velocity is really tailing off here

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Understatement Alert!

I think that was JV’s best start in the last 2 seasons

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

next to the no-hitter

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Apr 27, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that falls under the technicality

of was that two years ago, or do we count it as 3 now?

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah… i really meant since the no-hitter

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magglio

is getting a ton of action in Right tonight. Good to see that hair floppin again. (oh god, I sound like Rod now)

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

That was a close one

by explosivo2k2 on Apr 27, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my heart will always skip a beat now everytime I see Raburn twisting around in circles out there trying to catch a fly ball

by Ohio Tiger on Apr 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cue up

wild thing. bobby seay has the look.

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good evening, all

I’ve actually been watching for the past hour, but was afraid to enter the GameThread while things were going so well.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seay

Is pretty good when he isn’t pushed too long.

by actioncuse on Apr 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That was huge.

by Zappatista on Apr 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I get

WAY too excited when Everett makes contact of any kind. It’s always so surprising.

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

best thing about playing the yankees

we’ll actually get on baseball tonight and sports center before the final 10 minutes

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure

I can see the teaser now “Yanks lose fourth in a row!”

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

that’s a good teaser regardless if the Tigers beat them or not.

by actioncuse on Apr 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evening everyone.

Just got home. Looking forward to the highlights that will surely lead ESPN.

by rook34 on Apr 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bit surprised to see Fernando here

but Leyland must really want to get the series off to a good start. … hopefully it works.

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.......

He pitched yesterday……..Tigers up by 4…..why bring in the closer……Zoom Zoom was warming up…..doesn’t make sense.

by MSU4LIF on Apr 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he wants a save

so give up 2 and make it a save situation.

by actioncuse on Apr 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Higginson

I can’t shake his image when I see the number 4 on Everrett’s back. Anyone else?

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, for F's sake.

I’m leaving too. Perhaps that will help.

by rook34 on Apr 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey leyland

get rodney the F outa there.

3 hits in 5 pitches.

by actioncuse on Apr 27, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

two for the price of one……..jorge lost his horse.

by MSU4LIF on Apr 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Inge

is trying really hard to make me hate him less

by MitdaKayo on Apr 27, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awright

Awesome double play, great win

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good job everyone.......

Have Izzo throw out the first pitch every night!

by MSU4LIF on Apr 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice

Keep on marching Tigers.

by actioncuse on Apr 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good thing it was a 4 run lead…is the beginning of the end for Fernando (ummm, i say heck no, for the record, but since someone’s gonna say it….)

a HR the other day, TWO WHOLE RUNS today, OMG! EEEEK! WE ARE SOO DOOOOOMED!

and then I think back to the halcyon days of Todd Jones as a closer…..and start laughing hard enough that it took me 30 second to finish typing this sentence….

by ahtrap on Apr 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the way I see it

at least he’s getting it out of his system without losing.

that and Ian’s right, no more non-save situations for Rodney!

by MackAveKurt on Apr 27, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

he’s not going to go the whole year allowing zero runs

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back to celebrate....

well done! First game of the series win, JV looked good, and Maggs power display continues.

Great night. Feel free to come to the Yard anytime, Coach.

by rook34 on Apr 27, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good pieces!!!

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Apr 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good win Tags

2 runs in the 9th don’t really bother me when it’s all said and done… I’d almost rather he get his bad outings out of the way when we have a cushion as opposed to one or two-run games.

by Detroit4lyfe on Apr 27, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pinstripe Alley

WEAK.

14 comments for the whole game? I guess the Yankees ARE a small market team, so maybe it’s understandable they don’t have many rabid fans to populate their message board…

by ThaWalrus9 on Apr 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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