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Magglio Ordonez pretends he's a big Papa Tiger about to eat a itty-bitty Baby Tiger. Ramon Santiago, however, would prefer to shake the handshake of triumphant men.

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Magglio Ordonez pretends he's a big Papa Tiger about to eat a itty-bitty Baby Tiger. Ramon Santiago, however, would prefer to shake the handshake of triumphant men.

Hi there.  Off-day, anyone?  For the second straight week, the Tigers take a Monday off as a first-place team.  But questions abound: What should be done about Armando Galarraga?  Has Magglio Ordonez regained his hitting touch?  Can the team get by with Dane Sardinha as back-up catcher?  Do you like Ryan Perry's new "long reliever" role?  What else is on your mind?

This is "BYOBYB," the off-day open thread where you can chat about anything you'd like: The Tigers, Major League Baseball, Detroit sports, movies, TV, food, Memorial Day plans, etc.  But I'd like to bring up at least one discussion topic today.

The Marlins' Chris Coghlan hit his first major league home run on Wednesday night, only to then find himself in negotiations with the person who caught the ball.  The lucky fan wanted premium tickets and Hanley Ramirez paraphernalia in exchange.  Coghlan felt like his milestone baseball was being held for ransom.  Apparently, each party thought the other side was kind of rude about the whole thing.

(UPDATE: Here's the fan's side of the story.  Thanks to Kurt for posting the link in the comments.)

So what would you do in the same situation?  Would you just give the baseball back to the player, and perhaps get a handshake and pose for a photo?  Would you seize an opportunity to capitalize on the good fortune of catching a ball important to someone, and try to score some tickets or signed team apparel?  Or might you just take the ball home with you as a keepsake of a nice baseball memory? 

I'd very likely go for the first option.  To me, that moment belongs to the player and it just happened to find you along the way.  Who would that baseball mean more to, ultimately?  Unless, perhaps, we were talking about some historic milestone that was so rare I'd be crazy not to try and get something for it.  But I understand the thinking behind either of the choices, really.

The rest of the afternoon belongs to you, BYB Bunch.  Bring it.

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If I catch a homerun ball that someone wants back.

I would want a picture with the player who hit it. I wouldn’t turn down free stuff, but at least I want to meet the player, shake his hand and then get my picture taken with him.

That being said, I have never caught a home run, foul ball or been given a ball by an outfielder as he left the field, so I might want to hold onto the ball as the first one I’ve ever caught.

Holding the ball captive seems shady and really low, so I feel for Coghlan because the way I read it, the guy came across as a jerk.

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by ReichardZ on May 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The guy who caught it sounds like a ****

His post seemed whiny and entitled. If he was a one-time ball catcher who really didn’t want to give up the first home run ball he caught or something, I might feel for him. But when you’ve got hundreds or more, then you draw up a list of demands — probably where the “random” idea came into play — and you want memorabilia not from the guy who hit it, but from the team MVP, well forget you, buddy. He’s a jerk.

by MackAveKurt on May 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here’s the ball-catcher’s side of things. I thought this was one of the links provided but I guess not!

by MackAveKurt on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got a call on opening day in 94......

……Off the bat of Tony Bernazard…..Only one I ever got

by BennieBladesFan on May 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not your everyday fan!

He’s a pro at collecting baseball memorabilia. If you put yourself in his shoes, he thought he was being reasonable. The organization could have handled it better and maybe they will after this.

I would have probably given it back to the player. But the organization should be prepared to give an autogrphed ball or bat from the player to the fan for a nice gesture.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on May 18, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but a lot of unreasonable people think they’re being reasonable. Does that make them reasonable?

by MackAveKurt on May 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I ever caught somebody's first home run

I’d certainly give the ball back to the player, but ask for an autographed one back (and probably a picture). And I’d get it, too, because I’d tell the guy “You’ve got a great career ahead of you and someday I’d like to tell my grandchildren I caught your first homer.”

What ego could resist that? (Never mind that barring a little time travel back, I don’t have any grandchildren and never will)

by NCDee on May 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 Straight Walkoff Losses for The Twins.

That’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout. How’s it taste, mother****ers!?

by BigDaddyJC on May 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a reasonable response!

Tastes like shit. Now they know how we felt.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on May 18, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my (probably way too long) response....

I read the article after having read all the comments here. After every few sentences I tried to make arguments for both sides and determine who was right …now I only read the fan’s blog and not the reports, so you’d think I’d lean toward the fan’s side, but I just can’t.

This is a guy who is claiming to be the BIGGEST Brewers fan in the world and is an adult (married man), yet goes to the ball park with his buddy in custom made t-shirts with their gloves like a couple of kids, swap their hats to resemble the Brewers’ opposing team’s just to dupe their way into getting hundreds of balls. To me a reasonable die-hard baseball fan doesn’t do this. I don’t even see kid’s doing this. I’m big into getting balls and I would never stoop that low. He’s already being unreasonable and we haven’t even gotten to the milestone ball exchange. Might not be that big of a deal, but doesn’t help his case when trying to argue that he’s being a reasonable person by making a reasonable request.

My only problem with his requests is that he kept raising the stakes. It went from authentication to a couple bats, to meeting the guy, to a Hanley bat, to tickets to an entire series. I know he asked for one thing first, but when he was told he couldn’t get that then he upped his stakes. How is this a reasonable request? Even a homeless person knows that upping the ante on a request is not reasonable. You never hear a homeless guy around Comerica park asking for change and when you say you don’t have any subsequently ask for a five dollar bill. It’s just not reasonable. Asking for tickets to a game after being denied a bat that comes free to these players is not a reasonable request.

I agree with densogirl that an organization should be prepared to give out an authographed ball or bat from the player to the fan for a nice gesture, but Hanley Ramirez had nothing to do with this exchange. I realize he’s the star of the team and a Hanley bat is more valuable to him than some prospy who just hit his first big league home run, but asking for a bat from both might be asking a little much. After all, if the ball was so valuable to the person who caught it that it even calls for an exchange of goods, the bat of the prospect Coghlan should be sufficient.

I understand the thrill it is to get a ball from someone and say you caught a foul ball from them or they gave you a ball. Milestone balls are even more valuable. Personally, I get my rocks off on telling people the stories and having the personal memory. I don’t need the actual ball. You can freaking buy MLB balls and rub Mississippi mud on it to make it look game worn, so it’s not a huge deal to have one. ‘ve gotten three foul balls in my lifetime (Darrin Fletcher, Magglio Ordonez, and Curtis Granderson). I gave all three to my dad. One was actually after the long ass St. Louis rain delay last summer and you see me on TV reaching over a seat to snag Granderson’s foul ball before some middle aged man wearing a glove could and then handing it to my dad. If you have MLB.tv and remember that game you can go back and watch it, I think it happens in the 6th or 7th inning about 58 seconds into that inning. See, I don’t need the ball to tell the story and have the memory forever.

I would have absolutely no problem giving some MLB’er his first home run ball in exchange for the memory alone, but I think a picture and maybe a bat from that player would be a nice restitution for those who do have a problem with only having fond memories and a story to tell. I feel however, that going outside of that player and making ridiculous demands such as a Hanley bat (which would be sold on ebay for way more than that dude’s home run ball anyway) and tickets to a series is totally unreasonable.

by Detroit4lyfe on May 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it was long...

but you make some excellent points. Asking for a HanRam bat was a serious overreach and he didn’t seem to get the message when his request was denied. The ballcatcher seemed to get caught up in bartering for the best possible return.

by Brian8603 on May 18, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fan reminds me of....

kind of a greedy wall street guy or banker. That’s just how he is. He sure knows the in’s and outs of getting the balls. Creative idea kind of guy.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on May 18, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's being unreasonable

When you demand tickets in exchange for it, that’s unreasonable. Just let him keep it and hit another sometime. Give the…person, because I won’t use the term fan for him(and person is being kind IMO), nothing because it’s not going to be of any value except to the player who hit it.

by actioncuse on May 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Memory

Coghlan and the Marlins should’ve handled it more professionally, but this “fan” is a turd. Who wouldn’t love to meet a major league player and hand him his first major league home run? To tell everyone that story is priceless.

by TMadison25 on May 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Read the fan's story

I don’t really think he did anything wrong. Asking for a Ramirez bat is A LITTLE much, but not completely unreasonable. Seems like the Marlins created this fiasco, not the fan. I mean, the guy goes to the ballpark to collect balls. He got something like 13 total balls that night. It’s not unreasonable to ask for something in exchange for a special home run ball.

And the picture in that guys blog (of Coghlan) kind of annoys me. Seems like Coghlan is more of an ass than anyone else in this story. He’s not obligated to give you “your” ball back, bud. Learn to be a good player and a good guy and interact with the fans properly.

by rcpratt on May 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

correction

he got 12 balls that day, sorry.

by rcpratt on May 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about Coghlan

and the ballhawker makes a good “legal” point at the beginning of his post, the ball is his property once he catches it and has no obligation to give it back. If he wants a million dollars in return for it, he has the right to ask for that. I think this whole ordeal has to do with what a “reasonable person” in his shoes would have done and the more I think about it the more I’m okay with him requesting a Hanley bat. It just rubs me the wrong way that it all went down and that he upped his requests when the team said they wouldn’t give him a Hanley bat. I think he took it to the an unnecessary level and I would also agree that the team handled this wrong as well.

by Detroit4lyfe on May 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coghlan

acted like a clown in this ordeal as well it sounds like. He looks like one in the picture as well. If he really said, “are you going to give me my ball back, bud?” then he also made a mistake in his approach to retrieve the ball. He probably should have prefaced it with saying how much it would mean to him and if it DID mean a lot to him to have the ball that he’d be willing to give him a reasonable return.

by Detroit4lyfe on May 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that’s guy’s position, I probably would have given the ball back, having snagged a dozen on the day already….

But if it were me at Milelr Park that day, and I caught the ball….for one thing, that would have been the first item I’ve ever caught at a ballpark, so I would have definitely asked for something in return. I mean, giving up my first ball caught, even if it’s a 1st homer….y’know?

But I wouldn’t have asked for Hanley Ramirez stuff, I would have gone for players I actually cared about….Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin!

(and yes, I know Maybin was sent down, and Miller’s hurt or something….)

by ahtrap on May 18, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Backup Catcher?

Sorry Dane, bur have no confidence in you. I think bring some young kid up. I just hope Leyland never ever lets Inge catch another game. I am sure he would if asked,but please Jim : 3rd is his! Bring some young guy up!

by Walleyeman on May 18, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would give the ball back...

The ball would never mean as much to me as it does to the player who actually hit it. They are always nice about stuff like that at the ballpark. I would settle for any of the game used balls with an autograph from the player who hit it and a photo. Like I was reading in the thread, milestones are important to these guys. Imagine if you got your first recognition award at your job and your employer gave it to some random person instead of you and you had to negotiate to get it, when deservedly it belonged to you. Well, this is the same principal (more or less).

Patty J >> the Detroitchik

by Detroitchik on May 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Catcher.

Im sorry if this question has already been answered but what is going on with Dusty Ryan, are we giving him some more seasoning in the minors?

by tigers4ever on May 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

and he needs it. He was hitting like .200 a month into the Triple-A season. He’s picking up lately at least. But it’s better for him to play daily than to sit for six days I think.

by MackAveKurt on May 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not doing great against basestealers, either

Thrown out six of 25 runners (19%).

Only one passed ball, however.

by Ian Casselberry on May 18, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering the same thing.

Looked it up and saw that he’s hitting .233 right now in AAA. I think Dane’s doing a fine job, but we should probably try to find a guy via trade if we can. We’re going to have some arms to offer other teams soon ;-)

by Detroit4lyfe on May 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Perry

I think we’ll see him more for those 2 inning outings but he’ll be like Zumaya was in 2006 in most cases, right? A 7th inning gap filler and then Zumaya will throw the 8th with Rodney closing the 9th?

by Detroit4lyfe on May 18, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me

I would like to see that all day. Well, except for maybe Rodney. So far he has been ok.

by qbdoyle1 on May 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ball hawk'n dude is a douche bag.

Not that he doesn’t have the right to act like an idiot and demand Coghlan’s girlfriend for all I care, but come on….now he’s the victim….please.

On a brighter note, Glen Perkins just pulled his best Armando impersonation in NYC!

"Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."

by Zappatista on May 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would be defensive too

If the national media attacked me, if it actually did go down the way he said it did.

by rcpratt on May 18, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My step-dad was at Wrigley and got locked into a mutual death grip with a guy in his seventies, they both had their hand on the same home-run at the same time…my mom gave him a crack and hollered “Let Go!” and my stepdad let go, and the teeny little Cindy-Lou-Who of a girl next to the old Man says, “Grampa, that’s your third ball today!”

Turns out he had inadvertently landed another homer earlier in the day while walking back to his seat, as well as a BP ball.

See what charity gets you these days? That being said, the fan who caught it is a serious jag-off asking for a Han-Ram jersey.

by SkylineSeats on May 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the fan was asking for too much but I can kind of see how he rubbed the Marlins the wrong way after he compared his hobby of retreiving balls at big league games to doing hard drugs and drinking and driving.

Also, I’m sorry but I still think anybody over the age of 16 is kind of a loser for bring a glove to the game. Be a man, and catch it with your bare hands. Eventually, I think I am going to get into a fight one day at Comerica because I tend to point this out very loudly anytime anybody catches a ball at the game with their glove.

by shelton_4-2006 on May 18, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IN OTHER MLB NEWS>>>>

Yankees over Twins 6-2 bot 3rd
Jays over White Sox 3-2 Final

Patty J >> the Detroitchik

by Detroitchik on May 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will

be at that game, he better not blow it…

Patty J >> the Detroitchik

by Detroitchik on May 18, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so...

I am also going on Wednesday, Verlander better do good too

Patty J >> the Detroitchik

by Detroitchik on May 18, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a frickin' baseball

The fan’s side was removed when I clicked on it, but I feel pretty safe in saying he’s a douche. If you don’t think so, just picture him as a co-worker. You know this guy, when it comes up (which he would make sure it does), just loves to talk about all the baseballs he’s collected from games and his method for maximizing his haul. That seems to me like a guy I’d dread running into at the coffee machine.

Give the ball up because it’s the decent, standup thing to do. You’re a grown man and it’s a baseball. If you’re the kind of tool who wants to weasel every possible cent out of catching it, you just tell people one of the other dozen balls you got is the Coughlan home run ball. They probably quit listening or caring a long time ago anyway.

by mattintoledo on May 18, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would depend for me

I’ve never gotten a ball at a game, not even a foul, so in any milestone even I would probably ask for a ball back, or maybe a signed hat or picture, just something to remember the moment by. Especially if it was some dudes first, if its like, someones 500th…and I’m lucky enough to catch it, maybe see if I can’t get some more serious autographed swag.

This is all dependent on the player being someone I don’t hate, and it not being Bond-esque. I’m sorry, but I’m not nice enough of a guy to not sell a ball that could net me 150 some grand. If its worth that much, chances are the dude who hit it has some serious cash, and can buy it if he wants, I’m not handing that away. Also, if its a Joe Crede milestone, I’m burning in some type of voodoo ritualistic curse.

by tricks318 on May 19, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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