Guillen ailing, DL next? Answer: yes
Updated 4:35, quoting MLB.com beat writer Jason Beck's tweet:
Carlos Guillen to DL with right shoulder inflammation. Larish, Clete Thomas up. Rapada sent down.
MLB.com's Jason Beck reported last night that Carlos Guillen is not just battling a sore right Achilles tendon in his ankle, he's also got an aching left shoulder to go with it. He has obviously not been himself this season -- whatever "himself" is any more. He's batting .200 with a .244 SLG, while getting on base just 26.7 percent of the time. In left field, he looks hideous. (But how hideous does Ryan Raburn look that Jim Leyland is playing Guillen out there?)
Beck reports Guillen said he will be examined "soon." But soon enough? And Leyland will try to get him some rest. But can he? The Tigers are already riding a short bench. And on this bench is Raburn, backup catcher Dane Sardinha, as well as everyone's favorite backup quarterback Tigers hero Ramon Santiago.
Beck:
If Guillen did need to rest more than a few games, it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Tigers in a roster squeeze, possibly forced to either put Guillen on the disabled list for roster flexibility or to go to seven relievers and call up another position player. It would give the Tigers the extra bat, but it would also allow them to bring up another bat from Triple-A Toledo to plug into the lineup that might give a spark.
And right now, that looks like the best solution to me. With Guillen aching and not producing, how does it help the team to keep him in Detroit, unless you think that little of the alternativve in Toledo? I assume OF Clete Thomas would be first in line for the callup, but OF Wilkin Ramirez has been doing pretty well, too.
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The Cult is:
Guardedly optimistic.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on May 5, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the solution is
more Josh Anderson.
by explosivo2k2 on May 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ironically
Edwin Jackson could have used Matt Joyce in the outfield yesterday.
… Wish I had thought of that one last night!
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Outside of the infamous 10-run Yankees game...
Has Josh Anderson really looked THAT bad in the outfield? I can’t think of any other times where he’s been a detriment out there, and yet more and more I’m seeing people proclaim that he is a horrible defender. Maybe I’m missing something.
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 5, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not as bad as Raburn or Guillen in his current state
And yeah, other than the one Yankee abomination, he’s been fine
by explosivo2k2 on May 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing
He catches most things hit out there to him, but more often than not, it scares the hell out of me. He doesn’t look smooth. I’m not sure if you have to look smooth. But I’d like you not to look on the edge of disaster either. So he appears to be a bad defender, but gets results, basically. He’s probably average. Better than the other options on the team, anyway.
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dig Clete, but...
I’d like to see Ramirez or Clevlen brought up, as they provide a better platoon split with Anderson than Clete, who’s also a lefty.
by russkiejedi on May 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez could be fun
Neither Clete nor Clevlen bring much bat to the lineup. The platoon would be good but it wouldn’t hurt to see two lefties in the lineup and outfield with Magglio DH-ing. The regular lineup is too RH oriented still.
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thames....
I love Clete too, BUT the reason Raburn is hitting DH and/or playing left is secondary to Thames being on the DL. They want another right handed hitter for lefty pitchers, that is obvious. When a righty is on the mound, Anderson is in the game. So, if they just want somebody to DH, then I think Hessman should come up. If they want someone to play the field, then have at it…..
by Zappatista on May 5, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez, Ramirez or Thomas are all options at Toledo that look better to me than Raburn.
Anderson has been spotty. He’s fast, but not exactly smooth in the field and has also had couple baserunning mistakes to show for his efforts.
Both Raburn and Guillen have been butchers in the OF.
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by rings on May 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guillen ailing, DL next?
Guillen should go on DL and be replaced by Clevlen (Ramirez needs more AAA at bats)
Raburn should be sent down and Larish brought back
Ordonez should be moved to DH full time
Anderson should be given the job full time in left and bat lead off. Granderson should be moved to 3rd in the batting order and Ordonez to 5th.
Larish and Clevlen should platoon in right (yea Larish can’t be as bad as Ordonez.)
by 63 Tiger on May 5, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hot Bat in Toledo
Normally we bring up the hottest bat in Mudville. I think that’s Wilkin Ramirez right now. But I agree we need every left-handed bat we can get (that’s part of why Larish was here in April).
I think Anderson’s earned a full-time role, but Leyland finally has a fleet-foot on the bench he can use for pinch running, and now he’s got to play him? With Santiago getting starts more often, that gives us no speed off the bench.
Here’s the probable pitching matchups coming up over the next few weeks:
MIN – Blackburn ( R )
@CHW – Buehrle ( L )
@CHW – Contreras ( R )
@CLE – Lee ( L )
@CLE – Carmona ( R )
@CLE – Pavano ( R )
MIN – Slowey ( R )
MIN – Perkins ( R )
MIN – Liriano ( L )*
So basically, lots of mediocre-to-okay right-handers, and three lefty aces. My strategy, then:
- Put Guillen on the 15-day DL
- Send down Rapada (not using him much right now anyway)
- Bring up Wilkin Ramirez AND Jason Tyner
- Start Anderson in left against all the righties
- For Buerhle, Lee and Liriano, use Raburn in right, Ramirez in left, and Magglio at DH.
- Tyner is your late-inning outfield glove-man and pinch runner (stole 31 bases a few years ago with Tampa Bay)
- If Raburn’s hitting stays cold, give Ramirez some more at-bats, shift Anderson to right.
- When Guillen’s ready to come back, whichever guy between Raburn and Ramirez is struggling more can go back to AAA.
*This would normally be the 5th spot in their rotation, but the Twins have a day off next Monday, Liriano is a know Tiger killer, and Baker’s been terrible. If the Tigers take one of the first two, I think Gardenhire goes with Liriano.
by Misopogon on May 5, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
edit
Those last three games at MIN are away
by Misopogon on May 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
numerous good ideas today
Any of which I think would be an improvement over what we see right now.
To me, I’d like to see better outfield gloves brought up in whatever combination fits best and keeps Raburn out of the outfield. And unless Magglio strongly objects to it, if Guillen is on the DL, I’d really prefer he be the guy to take over as DH.
We’ll see what happens. I hope they don’t bow to Guillen’s desire to play hurt, because anyone can see, it’s truly not working.
So what’s the new batting lineup look like if Guillen isn’t fifth?
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers made two roster moves today, placing leftfielder Carlos Guillen on the 15-day disabled list with right shoulder inflammation and optioning left-hander Clay Rapada to Triple-A Toledo.
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Outfielder Clete Thomas and infielder/outfielder Jeff Larish were called up from Toledo to take their places.
by 63 Tiger on May 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so does that mean
that Inge would be hitting 3rd? from reading the article I can only assume that Anderson would leadoff, and with Grandy 5th and Maggs 6th, it would almost have to be Inge 3rd.
by BigJP on May 5, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tweet I saw said it's clete thomas hitting third
me: huh =O ?
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's suprising
I guess he is less likely to GIDP than Maggs, if that’s what JL was looking for
by BigJP on May 5, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big fan of major lineup surgery (see below)...
But I can kinda see a little bit of logic here:
1) I believe Clete Thomas homered off Blackburn last year
2) It gives more of a mix of lefties and righties. Tonight’s lineup goes L,R,L,R,L,R,R,R,S
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on May 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else miss Timo?
Timo Perez, that is. He was such a spark plug in ’07 and looked good in Lakeland this past Spring. Great glove in left field, slappy, left-handed at-bat, still got some speed left.
He didn’t make the 40-man and signed in Mexico. I hope somebody keeps an eye on that guy, though.
by Misopogon on May 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I’m usually not real wild about major lineup shuffling. I smell a hint of desperation, and I don’t like it. Isn’t this what got us in trouble last year?
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on May 5, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I think some of this is making some common sense changes to problems we noticed. I’m fine with assessing where you are 15-20% into the season and reacting accordingly
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’ve been hoping (along with many a tiger fan) that they would drop Grandy down to protect Miggy and provide an actual potent LH bat in the middle of the order. So I’m glad to see its happening, and I guess someone actually has to hit 3rd in the order, but Clete? no offense to the cult (of which I am not a member), but wow.
by BigJP on May 5, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course I have been wrong before
my bad, Clete, my bad. Is there any of that Kool-Aid left for me?
by BigJP on May 6, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New thread about the lineup
If you want go to post your thoughts there. Game thread will open at 645
by MackAveKurt on May 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigers need speed
This team won’t win the div. without better base runners.The team has Anderson that it Everybody else is getting old, richer and slower.Besides that the pitching looks OK. Also Miguel now "that’s a ball player’.
by Robertdogsworld on May 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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