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Three Runs or Less Checkout Line: Cardinals 4, Tigers 3

If it helps you throw more strikes, Joel Zumaya, try whatever grip on the baseball you choose.

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If it helps you throw more strikes, Joel Zumaya, try whatever grip on the baseball you choose.

Meet the new lineup.  Same as the old lineup. 

Well, maybe that's not quite fair.  The Tigers did pound out nine hits last night, with a batting order that looked comfortably familiar.  But they could only bring home three runs, which seems to be their peak right now.  Detroit has scored three runs or fewer in seven straight games.  Their record during that span?  2-5.

Still, a lineup with Curtis Granderson batting leadoff and Marcus Thames in the cleanup spot is probably the best one Jim Leyland can put out there right now.  (At least it worked for Grandy, who hit two homers.  Thames, not so much, as he went 0-for-3 with two strikeouts.)  So hopefully, he sticks with this for a few games, rather than continuing to tinker (and try wacko ideas like batting Josh Anderson in the #3 spot again).

For most of the season, Edwin Jackson has been able to overcome a lack of run support.  But it's caught up with him in his last two starts, as he's gone winless despite allowing five runs in 11 innings.  Last night's outing may not have been dominant, but giving up three runs in seven innings (and tying a season-high seven strikeouts) was certainly good enough to win.  Right now, however, Tigers pitching can't afford to allow any more than two runs.  Obviously, that's no way to get through life, son. 

(Do people get that reference, by the way?  Because it's probably not a funny line if it's not recognized.  Or maybe it's just not funny at all.  Just checking.)

Roar:

As mentioned above, Curtis Granderson seemed to love his return to the leadoff spot.  He pretty much was the Tigers' offense last night, batting 3-for-4 with two homers.  How about we just declare that Grandyland for the rest of the season? 

(MLive.com's Steve Kornacki points out that Detroit is 27-21 when Granderson leads off, as opposed to 6-10 when he bats fourth or fifth.  Although I don't know how well comparing a 49-game sample to a 16-game chunk supports an argument or observation.  Even Grandy himself admits that he hasn't played enough games out of the leadoff spot to really understand if it makes a difference for him.)

Are we done with wondering how the Tigers' lineup would do with Grandy lower in the order to drive in more runs now?  Perhaps you could argue that no one's going to be on base for him if he leads off, but he wasn't the leadoff batter in either of the innings in which he homered.  I understand Leyland trying to do something to try and create more offense, but it hasn't made that much of a difference.

Whimper:

Dear Joel Zumaya,

Stop walking batters.

    Sincerely,

    Everyone

Zumaya might currently be the best strikeout option out of the Tigers' bullpen, but he's hardly the most reliable because he can't seem to locate his off-speed pitches.  He has 13 walks in his last 10 appearances (covering 22 innings).  Three of those were in last night's game (with 15 of his 31 pitches thrown for strikes), which led directly to the Cardinals' winning run.

The seventh inning started out promisingly, with Zumaya striking out Tyler Greene and getting Albert Pujols to pop up to third base (a big out, regardless of the situation).  Skip Schumaker walked and Colby Rasmus singled in between those outs, however.  And getting that third out was the problem.  Chris Duncan walked on five pitches to load the bases, and Ryan Ludwick fought for seven pitches - four of which were clocked at 100-plus m.p.h. - to draw another walk, which brought home the Cards' fourth run.

And for everyone who asked "How many runs have the Tigers walked home this year?" the answer is 13Billfer found this horrifying, embarrassing stat last night.  Nine of those walks have come this month.

Comment of the Night:

This never would have happened if Magglio was still alive.

by explosivo2k2

Another great turnout in the GameThread last night, enough that we needed an overflow thread.  You guys rock. 

And usually, we don't do a runner-up, but ahtrap's attempt to logically explain the failure of multiple rally mascots was both thought-provoking and hilarious.  (As were the subsequent responses.)

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Could it be that building a lineup where your best hitters get the most PAs (1-2-3) gives the team a better chance to win?!

I was happy to see Curtis hitting leadoff again but more because he’s guaranteed to get more PAs than when he’s in the 5 hole. I was even happier to see Miguel Cabrera batting third for much of the same reason.

We still need Adam Dunn however.

Another juicy tibtit, The Tigers have scored 3 or fewer runs in 18 of our last 25 games.

by MacRae on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's hitting about .260 or so though right now

I mean, it might be easier to trade for him if he isn’t hitting much, but that looks like the BA for the majority of this team right now. He has hit for power I see though … I’d give him a chance.

by Kmann on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Among LF in both leagues he ranks:

5th in SLG
4th in OPS
3rd in OBP
2nd in HR

The only players who have hit more HR than him this season are guys named:
Pujols, Ibanez, Gonzalez, Pena, Teixiera, Howard

He’s gotta be one of the most underrated players in the game because of his low average and I hope that this fact will cause the Nats to under-sell him.

A guy like Brad Hawpe will be incredibly over-priced because of his average and whatever boost Coors has given him.

by MacRae on Jun 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How old is Adam Dunn?

I’m not interested in any more players at the tail-end of their prime.

by Tagne13 on Jun 18, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll turn 30 at the end of this season.

by MacRae on Jun 18, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another tid bit to go with that

They are 8 and 22 when the score 3 or a fewer in a game.

by mattafat on Jun 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least

at this point the Tigers must be having conversations in an attempt to make a trade. They can’t be feeling comfortable with the current roster. Hopefully they get something done or this will end in disappointment.

by MackAveKurt on Jun 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I got the reference...

now I’m just trying to figure out if it’s too low a blow to call out any given Tiger as fat, drunk and stupid….

by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander and Jackson may have lost

but Grienke lost 12-5 last night

by Kmann on Jun 18, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Making up for lost time.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jun 18, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those 2 or 3 Pedro fans still out there...

He has recently contacted the Cubs and the Rays.

by Tagne13 on Jun 18, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

Cut Willis & Nate, promote French and Ni.

by MacRae on Jun 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Leyland has any sense left in him

he’ll do something like that. Maybe try Miner out at as well for 2 starts or so. Anything could be better than the current end of our rotation.

by Kmann on Jun 18, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dusty and brookes for Saturdays game

If not, our season is down the drain.

by mattafat on Jun 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Consistently BAD was not the desired result.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jun 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Wang to remain in rotation for Yanks"

I admit it. I laughed like an 11 -year-old boy when I saw that headline on mlb.com news.

by NCDee on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wang is good for Yanks

Joe Girardi loves Wang. Also, Derek Jeter loves Wang. Jorge Posada also has a fondness for Wang. A-Rod can’t get enough Wang.

I’m sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I’m such a child sometimes.

http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com

by BigJP on Jun 18, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT He's baaack!

On the DL. Guess who? Who else!

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jun 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alfredo...

mmm, sounds delicious

by Tagne13 on Jun 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How long?

Until Bud and his cronies crack down on the “Anxiety Disorder” DL claim? Not long, I would assume, not long…….

"Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."

by Zappatista on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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