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While I'm ecstatic that Willis won't be losing any games for the Tigers in the near future...

 

...WTF exactly is an "anxiety disorder"? 

I'm so sick and tired of the way players are babied and coddled these days.  I'm only 43, but the fathers and grandfathers some of us laugh about are right on the money on this subject.  A lot of what has changed in baseball in recent years has been change for the sake of change, not positive progress.  A pitcher should expect to finish a game he starts, a hitter shouldn't whine like someone called his mother a whore when a pitcher comes inside, and the DL is made for broken bones and torn muscles, not "anxiety disorders".



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Aniexty

Is a disaese where one feels anxious often and needs medication to control it……It is triggerred in many different situations and being a MLB player could trigger it.

by BennieBladesFan on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Give me a break!

It’s also known as “wussing out”. The guy chose to be a professional athlete. If he wanted a job with no stress, he should have become an interior decorator.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laugh at me all you want...

…but if you can’t see the absurdity of a grown man whining because the stress level of his chosen profession is getting to him, the problem isn’t with me.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been as hard on Dontrelle as anyone

But I would not say he’s been whining. The Tigers put him on the DL with anxiety disorder. He didn’t ask for that to be done.

Does Willis need to figure out a way to cope with his problems? Yes, that’s obvious.

To say that he’s “wussing out” is a gross oversimplification. If you choose not to believe that there’s anything to mental health issues, that’s your prerogative. But to discount that there might be something truly troubling the guy, something beyond what happens on the field, is cruel.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, ignorant piece...

Do you have any understanding of social dynamics, and how people deal with things? What do you do for a full time job? Repair disposable cameras?

Dontrelle is a unique guy, and obviously is having a hard time with relaxing while he’s out there on the mound. He’s got thousands of people watching him, hundreds more discussing him in blogs around the world, and millions following the game he plays on a daily basis.

Clearly, you’re without a problem in your life, so you won’t understand any of this, but Dontrelle is just one of many millions of people who struggle with this condition. Class up a bit, jackass.

by turntwo21 on Jun 18, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm playing my violin for you and for him

STFU, jerk. For your information, I’m a manager for a transportation company, in which everything is now, now, now. I can almost guarantee my job is ionfinitely more stressful than most people’s. As I said, he CHOSE this line of work. He needs to either suck it up or move on to something more his speed.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I smashed your violin like a rock star...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_phobia

Are you aware that in 2006 Zach Greinke spent the entire season on the DL for Social Anxiety Disorder? Probably not. It is safe to assume the you have never taken a psychology class before nor learned the effects that this disorder has on people. Most people with Social Anxiety Disorder rarely leave the comforts of their own homes.

But lets put this in simpler terms. You don’t state how many years you’ve been at your job, but you state you’re 43, so I’d say you’ve been there for a few years and probably can do your job without thinking about it. Now, lets say you arrive to work one morning and you can’t do your job and you don’t know why and this continues to happen day in and day out. I bet you start to get aggrivated and upset, and even depressed because by now your bosses and co-workers and clients are starting to pressure you to improve your work, but you can’t.

What do you do, I guess you suck it or move on to something more your speed right? I doubt that, because (lets just say) this is your dream job, the job you’ve strived for as a kid. Are you going to just up and quit or try and find whats ailing you and fix it so you can get back to being the guy you were before all this happened?

Dontrell will be back. It took Greinke a few years and it’s gonna take Dontrelle some time also.

by jryno on Jun 19, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't particularly care about the definition of Anxiety Disorder

The fact remains the man is a professional athlete. I reiterate: get over it or move on. The Tigers aren’t paying him to sit on the DL with some ill-defined disorder. They’re paying him to get guys out, period. The stakes in professional sports are too high to worry about feelings, conditions, and PC ideas about whether or not a condition might be real. It’s about results, and if he’s not producing he should be gone.

Furthermore, I have taken psych classes (Aquinas Colege ’91). Most of what is taught beyond the introductory level is sheer unadulterated psychobabble.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right...

Dontrelle is a professional athlete, which is about the only thing you’ve been right about in all your posts. I assume you are you works psychologist and psychotherapist, since you took a class and think that everything psych 101 is “sheer unadulterated psychobabble” which means you can diagnose whats going on in someone’s mind. But, I guess at you place of employment you don’t get sick days or personal days either. If you do, and you use them because your not injuried, I guess you’re a hypocrite. So, unless you break a leg, pull a hamstring, or tear your labrum you better show up to work daily.

But, to dive into your post past the “wuss” injury. You say the TIgers should release Dontrelle or trade him, but ultimately just wash their hands of him, right? They can’t trade him, no one wants him. If they release him, they are still on the hook for the remainder of his contract. Why do you think Sheffield was able to sign with the Mets for damn near the league minimum. With him being on the DL the leagues insurance companies will end up having to pick up the tab, just like if you were to go on short/long term disablility.

Ultimately, the insurance company picks up part of his salary and after his contract is up he done. Or, best case scenario, he gets his head back on straight and comes back and pitches lights out like he did in 2003.

by jryno on Jun 19, 2009 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we cool it with the personal insults?

I realize this is a touchy subject, but it can be argued without name-calling.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Google is your friend

NIH definiton of anxiety disorder.

And seriously? Not everyone with what is medically classified as anxiety is a wuss. What about soldiers with PTSD? Are they wusses? Was Zach Greinkie a wuss a few years ago? Some of these disorders are incredibly complex and very difficult to treat. To say the problem is with Dontrelle relaxing could be entirely wrong. It could be a legitimate psychological condition- we don’t know. That’s the problem- we don’t have enough information. So don’t make judgments on something you know nothing about.

by David Tokarz on Jun 19, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, as a matter of fact, Greinke WAS a wuss...

…and so is anyone else who claims this is a legitimate illness. As I stated earlier, the DL should be reserved for legitimate injuries. If it can’t be diagnosed physically, it is a sham.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess so...

Just like our Greatest Generation, your grand-father and mine. And our Vietnam Vets, your father and mine. They are all wusses because they’ve seen things during the course of war that has mental screwed them up.

But, like the article I read by Jayson Stark said, “It’s always a sensitive issue questioning someone who has been publicly identified as having an anxiety disorder. How can any of us ever know, really, what’s going on inside anyone’s skin? A guy with an anxiety disorder doesn’t limp, doesn’t wear a cast, doesn’t head for the operating table.”

by jryno on Jun 19, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you seriously comparing the plight of men who have seen their best friends blown to pieces in front of them

while in defense of their country to a guy who lost the plate for some unfathomable reason? And yet, you thing I’M the one without a clue?

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest here....

The first person to own up to crappy play for the tigers over the past 2 years has been Willis. Hell, he’s manning up more than most baseball players ever would by being brutally honest about his inability to perform, and last time I checked, instead of bitching and moaning about being sent down to the minors he buckled down and tried to figure something out. Unfortunately, it seems that there is some inexplainable problem that doesn’t seem to be going away.

“He needs to either suck it up or move on to something more his speed.”
What does that mean? That he isn’t handling the situation like a professional? That he’s pouting on the mound? That he’s being a cancer in the clubhouse? To borrow a British word: Bollocks. It’s one thing to be critical of the man’s play, it’s another thing to personally demean him for something he seems to have no control over. Instead of gutlessly hiding behind a computer and insulting him, try remembering that Dontrelle is every bit as human as you. Treating professional athletes as humans with flaws is tough when we’re used to imagining them as abstract machines, but give empathy a shot. Just a thought.

“I can almost guarantee my job is ionfinitely more stressful than most people’s.”
Good for you. A completely irrelevant and extraneous tidbit of information in regards to baseball and/or psychological ailments, but good for you nonetheless.

by baum on Jun 19, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Bollocks...lmao

You are right about Dontrelle and his attitude. Am I wrong in saying that whenever Dontrelle has a bad outing and is pulled from a game in the middle of an inning, he runs off the field and is upbeat?

by jryno on Jun 19, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you read back, you'll see I was asked...

…what my job was, so I answered.

I’m not “gutlessly hiding behind a computer”. What do you want, my name and address? I don’t care if someone who knows nothing more about me than the fact that we’re both commenting on a blog likes my thought processes or not.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a great idea for you...We Need a Closer

If you don’t agree with what the Tigers are doing by putting Dontrelle on the DL for an “anxiety disorder” why don’t you find loyalty in another team. I mean your loyalty is certainly not tied soley to Detroit, as you are a Notre Dame, Montreal Canadian fan, so search out a team that would rather cut a guy loose and still end up paying his salary, like I’d have to say the New York Yankees probably would.

by jryno on Jun 19, 2009 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, it's spelled "Canadiens", and I became a fan during the three years I lived in Québec...

Further, I am a lifelong Tigers fan, and held season tickets for 11 years until my job precluded the possibility. I have no intention of switching allegiance. I’m sorry you feel the need to jump me because you think you have a corner on the empathy market.

If you read back to the beginning of this thread, you’ll see my whole point was that this is another example of the way professional athletes are coddled in today’s world. I stand behind that assertion 100%. How do you suppose Vince Lombardi, Casey Stengel, or Toe Blake would have dealt with a player who exhibited “anxiety disorder”? We need to return to the days when men were expected to suck it up, and all that mattered in the world of sports were results.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, anxiety orders exist just like Post Traumatic Syndrome exists

Your job profession might have something to do with it but not all. Ever have a panic attack? No, of course not. Dontrelle may very wll have PTS. Your job may effect anxiety, but the anxiety is already there. Many people go undiagnosed, never knowing they suffer from an anxiety disorder or refuse to believe it.

Whether Dontrelle has it or not, you seem like a person incapable of placing yourself in someone’s else’s shoes.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jun 19, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

We Need a Closer ... This is for you....

I am going to share something with you. First of all, anxiety comes in many forms. Post traumatic Stress Disorder, Social Phobias, Panic Attacks (like I live with), and Obsessive Compulsive Disorders (like Monk on TV) and then there are generalized anxiety disorders as well. Some of you might say WTF. No one had these things 30 years ago and I would tell you, yes they did. Only now we know much more about the mind and how it works than we did even 30 years ago. These things seem so prominent now, only because we know much more about what makes people tick now.

I had my first panic attack in September of 2006 after my infant daughter died. I actually thought I was having a heart attack. It was the scariest thing that ever happened to me. I have always been a people person enjoying concerts and parties, just were ever you would find a crowd I would be in it. However, after such a traumatic experience, it’s kind of natural to withdraw, somewhat. But this was something I had never even dreamed would happen. I was in the Kroger, and all of a sudden I couldn’t breathe and I started to shake. My heart started to palpitate and all of a sudden my legs came from underneath me. And you can imagine where I ended up from there…the local emergency room. After an EKG and some blood work, it was determined that I had a panic attack. It was recommended that I make an appointment at the local mental health clinic, so I did. In months to follow this happened several times. I hated it; couldn’t stop it; didn’t know how to stop it and I could feel them coming on and I would be like "oh shit, here I go again." There were several occasions where I left my cart in the grocery store (full of food) and get in my car and drive home, lock the doors and go to bed because I didn’t know how to cope. I educated myself and began to read on these particular mental illnesses ( and yes, it is a mental illness)

I have been in therapy for going on three years now and I am happy to say I have learned to live with it. I take anti-depressants (everyday) and anti-anxiety medication (tranquilizers when need). I still don’t go to parties as much as I used to, but I feel good, I am happy with my life and my greatest love has become baseball and Comerica. I’ve been to 7 games (and counting) so far this year. I love the crowd and the best thing for me is knowing there’s no chaos and I have "my own seat".

  I told you all of that to say this… I can relate to Dontrelle. Imagine being a young man, so successful in your career, at such a young age, them all of a sudden you get an injury. This would disrupt your whole lifestyle. It would throw a monkey wrench into all the plans you have and worry would set in. Then the pressure you would feel with everyone watching and waiting for you to succeed or (fail).

Some are born with coping skills, some people need to be educated and taught how to use coping skills. Every one deals with stress in different ways; some people blow their tops and get pissed off and then it’s done. Some people cry and withdraw, some people have panic attacks etc. Stress manifests in many different ways. To condemn someone for something you do not understand is just plain ignorant. Education is the key to understanding. As for myself, I have learned different breathing techniques and other ways to cope with stress. Dontrelle needs a good therapist and support from his family, friends, teammates and fans. It took a lot of courage to admit the things he did the other day. Does this make him suck any less out there on the mound, hell no. Do I want to see him back anytime soon, of course I do, but not until he’s ready. He needs to take his time and do what’s best for him, not us, not Jim Leyland, not Dave Dombrowski, or anyone else. He needs to put himself first or he’ll never feel any better. Am I happy we spent all of these millions on this kid? Again, hell no. But I would have never spent that in the first place, before all of these problems began to plague him.

So until you are aware of a person’s situation, don’t condemn them. Educate yourself and get some understanding. Oh yeah, a little empathy wouldn’t hurt either.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jun 19, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry for your loss...

…but I’m sick and tired of all you hearts and flowers types getting on your soapbaxes to tell me I don’t understand. You’re right to a degree: I don’t understand why we pamper people like this when a good swift kick in the *ss would be more fitting. The only thing Willis needs is a dose of Tiger Woods’ attitude. He needs to start at the ground floor and re-examine every last iota of his mechanics, and then throw a few bazillion pitches on the side until he gets it together, period. If he’s truly having a problem dealing with crowds or whatever, then maybe professional sports isn’t where he belongs.

by We Need a Closer on Jun 19, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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