BYOBYB: Off-Day Open Thread
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
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So what a difference a week makes, eh?
Last Monday, the Tigers couldn't score any runs, the back end of the starting rotation was a question mark, and Minnesota was catching up in the AL Central. An off-day was welcome relief. A week later, the lineup is swinging the bats well, the Tigers have built on their lead over the Twins, and... well, that back end of the rotation is still uncertain (though much less so). An off-day feels more like a pleasant afternoon nap.
And plenty happened over the weekend that's worth talking about:
- Jim Leyland has a new contract extension, signed through 2011.
- Magglio Ordonez's agent, Scott Boras, squawked about his client's standing with the Tigers (and drew the wrath of Leyland in the process).
- Alfredo Figaro made his major debut on Saturday, and earned a win over the Brewers.
- Ryan Perry was optioned to Triple-A Toledo.
- Justin Verlander and Edwin Jackson won't follow one another in the starting rotation anymore.
Did I miss anything? It kind of feels like I did. Of course, this is "BYOBYB," which means you can chat about anything else, as well. (Anyone have a new music recommendation?) Knock yourselves out, BYB Bunch!
P.S. Have you said hello in The BYB Introduce Yourself Open Thread yet?
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Trying to bring the Freddy Dolsi discussion
to the open thread. Not a move I saw coming, that’s for sure.
by NCDee on Jun 22, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And as Kurt reported
Dolsi is up with the big boys again.
I’m not so sure that he’s going to be better than Perry.
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, there's a troll post in the Introduce Yourself thread
Could someone please delete this?
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's banned
Sorry I didn’t get to it earlier. I was out most of the day, and then we lost power around 5 p.m., lasting through the rest of the night. But he’s gone now.
(So is We Need a Closer, so you can stop baiting him.)
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 23, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting move
I thought it was for sure going to be Fu-Te Ni
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My stove caught on fire this morning
I had to dial 911. Currently waiting for the maintenence guy to come. YAY
I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet
by YakAttack on Jun 22, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing yet. pre-heating it. The heating element exploded. everything is ok though
well except the oven, which was getting kinda old anyway
I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet
by YakAttack on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you are ok
Now you have an excuse to go out and get a new fangled stove…unless you are like me and can not afford it.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
I’m not even sure that my oven would work – I use my toaster oven if I have to heat anything, and do most of my cooking (such as it is) on the stove top. So far that hasn’t blown up or caught fire.
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toaster ovens
My mother is using a large toaster oven to heat food rather than a conventional oven.
As for baseball:
Craig Monroe was released by the Pirates.
I believe Magglio will recover but is probably not going to be the Magglio most have come to adore.
Dolsi scares me.
by 13194013 on Jun 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks everyone. I am indeed fine
so you will still be subjected to my nonsensical commenting.
I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet
by YakAttack on Jun 22, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they'd go with a lefty, since we're a little thin there.
so French or Fu-Te were my predictions. I’m with Tagne — not sure Dolsi represents an improvement over Perry.
by NCDee on Jun 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dolsi
they say he’s been a lot better in June. But I’m certainly not wowed by the move and feel like there were better options out there. Had Dolsi earned it by having a good couple of months in Toledo I might feel different. But I’m really not excited.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dolsi has not given up a run in June and what’s most impressive is he only has 1 walk in his last 10.2 IP
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perry has had.....
……major control problems all year….Dolsi cant be much worse
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give the benefit of the doubt
he’s probably not going to be put into high pressure situations. I just feel like there’s better options on his own Mud Hens team the Tigers could have looked at first.
Right now, I’m less concerned about Dolsi’s control and more concerned about his inability to strike guys out.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying there weren't better options
I would have put money on Fu-Te Ni if I were a betting man. Ni’s K per inning stats are almost as sexy as his ERA in Toledo, but that doesn’t mean Dolsi’s lack of K’s is a deal breaker.
Call me crazy, but throwing strikes and getting guys out is what’s most important, especially with a pitcher who may not be pitching in high pressure situations as you believe will be the case with Dolsi. If he can throw strikes and get guys out consistently, who cares about his inability to strike guys out at a K/inning clip.
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, when he’s not striking guys out, he’s giving up hits. Sure, he’s not giving up the free base. But he’s giving opposing batters plenty of opportunity to earn their own way onto the base. 32 hits in 31 innings, and with a BABIP that only a couple of points higher than his career average. I’m just not sure if his stuff is going to translate to the majors any better this time than the last time we saw him.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolsi’s not a K guy. He never really has been. In Dolsi’s 42 games in the bigs last year, only 20% of the outs he recorded were strikeouts. And the one year he was even close to your desired K/inning (2007 with A+, 44 Ks in 51.2 IP) his BABIP was no better than it has been this year. In fact, it was worse at .325 (compared to this year’s .315).
His inability to strike guys out is not the problem. There are a ton of factors that go into a guys effectiveness and it definitely helps to have a guy who has the ability to K a guy at any given time, but with Dolsi I’d say his control, keeping the ball down, and his ability to keep hitters off balance is much more important than his ability, or lack thereof, to K a guy.
Look at Porcello. Would you say he’s having a pretty good year? He K’s guys less frequently than Dolsi does. Only 18% of his outs recorded this season have been strikeouts. (Porcello is the first guy I thought of off the top of my head as not being a big time K guy, yet still effective, so do not mistaken me for comparing the two’s talent level. That would be asinine, obviously.)
I don’t know if Dolsi is much better than what he was last year, but a 3.97 ERA is not awful. It was his awful WHIP that contributed to the 3.97 ERA anyway, so if he can work on keeping the freebies off the bases, I think he’ll be alright. I still don’t like the move as I was excited to see Fu-Te Ni (or others) get the call, but I’ll live with it if Dolsi can be as effective as he has been in his last 10+ IP with Toledo.
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you just cherry picked 10 innings with Toledo and expect him to be that effective the whole time? You know you can’t do that.
He is essentially the definition of a “replacement level player” and given there are better options in the organization and Dolsi has not proven himself to all that interesting of a pitcher since his demotion last year or until 10 appearances in June this year, I am simply not in favor of it.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say I expect him to be that effective
I said I’ll live with it if he can be that effective, which is basically saying “I hope he can be that effective.” Big difference. I know 10 innings is a small sample size, but if Dolsi is the “replacement level player” you’re speaking of maybe the those 10 innings are more important than one might think. Perhaps the Tigers are getting him while he’s hot and don’t plan on keeping him up very long.
And I was addressing your “Right now, I’m less concerned about Dolsi’s control and more concerned about his inability to strike guys out” comment because I disagreed with it. I think Dolsi’s K ratio is irrelevant to any success he might have.
This is the fourth time I’ve said now that I would have expected someone else/rather had someone else get the call up. I was probably just as surprised as you to see it was Dolsi.
That being said, Dolsi’s not the worst guy that could have been called up. As I said, his 3.97 ERA in 42 games last year was not especially awful and what catches my eye the most. It’s his WHIP of 1.61 that stands out to me as awful. His knack for putting runners on kills him (as it does with most pitchers) and therefore, if he cuts down his walks and keeps the ball down he might be more than alright as a reliever, regardless of how many guys he strikes out.
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 23, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I completely agree with you
that basing it off of 10 innings when there were other options, doesn’t make much sense and I’m not entirely in favor of.
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the kinda stat I’m talking about. No freebies, throw strikes.
by VegasTigers on Jun 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolsi was definitely not our best option.
We have one effective lefty, and we need another. Ni seemed like the obvious choice — and plus, he uses a blue glove.
by StringTheory on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A blue glove?
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that IS pretty cool.
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!!
I got my daughter that glove for her birthday. It has a picture of Dora on the side and everything.
by Bigreg1544 on Jun 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha.
It indeed does look like a kid’s glove. But he has a perfect fielding percentage, so maybe some other Tigers’ pitchers need them.
by StringTheory on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know they didn't give him anything more than a little league glove.
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
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by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolsi....
…..has pitched in bigs…..he did well aginst lwfties last year too….Plus rodney dominated lefties as well.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called this yesterday.....
…..yeah Me!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When does Figaro
split Verlander and Jackson? I was thinking of going to the game tomorrow since it was supposed to be Zambrano v Jackson… Both on my fantasy team :)
by MrPants20 on Jun 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting next weekend
tomorrow will be Jackson
by Detroit4lyfe on Jun 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tues: E-Jax
Weds: Porcello
Thurs: Galarraga
Fri: Verlander
Sat: Figaro
Sun: E-Jax
by rcpratt on Jun 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a promising week to me
Galarraga only once and NO Willis!
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link to my post on Alfredo Figaro, Ian.
by Mike Rogers on Jun 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I must say
I am very surprised and impressed with the new starting rotation order. Figaro looks like he could have quality stuff for a while, and if that is the case, what a starting 4 that would be huh?
In writing that, I realized what a young rotation we have. Has to be one of the youngest around right?
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hes going to be....
….just like Porcello…..no more then 90 95 pitches……Thats why he wants to split up jackson and verlander
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't be so sure about that
Figaro was pitching into the 100s last year. It’s not that want him to go high, but he is a 24 year old with several years pro experience, he shouldn’t be treated like a 20 year old.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and since ian asked about music
I’ve been listening to the Aussie pop band Ladyhawke lately. Youtube video here.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to talk music, I just have one thing to say...
Listen to Muse.
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
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by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Muse is fantastic. Their new album cannot come soon enough.
On a related music thingy, I am really liking Mute Math at the moment. Typical, Noticed, Spotlight are all amazing songs. Anyone heard of them?
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard of them
Haven’t listened to much of them.
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
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by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like their sound
I go through periods of listening to them and burning out and listening to them again.
I like the rock/electronic combination quiet a bit. And did you know they’re a Christian band? That always amazed me but you listen to the lyrics totally different and see it.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew they were formed from bits of a Christian band
but no, I didn’t exactly know that. They’re so different from all the other cookie-cutter Christian bands out there who do everything like Relient K, I don’t think I would have guessed that.
I guess I like that they don’t sound like much else. They have the pop/rock aspect, sure, but also some hints of jazz, a kind of raw ethereal sense to their sound too.
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to Muse
Probably too many years ago than I should admit
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are they like?
I keep hearing their name pop up among friends with similar music tastes, but haven’t really had the time or energy to pick up an album.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this will be hard to explain
They are pretty much a straight-up driving rock Brit trio, but made with a lot of sweet guitar work and electronics (you know, keyboards and outer space sounds). They have a kind of dark mood about them, however they are almost always high energy. Good music for stadiums, as it is big and symphonic. Some songs have good piano work too. The singer, Matt Bellamy, is a falsetto most of the time and can really sing powerfully. Drums are really driving and they have a really good bassist. Hope that’s detailed enough, haha.
One of my favorite bands. If you want a sample, try these:
Starlight – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgum6OT_VH8
Knights of Cydonia – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sBOsh-vyI
Hysteria (live, just for kicks) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZR_UkJV-wE
Butterflies and Hurricanes (live again, I love them live) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LViy46GeMe0&feature=related
If you like any of that, get some energy and pick up their last two or three records. Phenomenal stuff IMO.
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Sounds pretty good from the links… course, I’ve always been a sucker for electronics- big NIN fan, just discovered Powerman 3000, idolize Tom Morello as a guitar player (sure, it’s not exactly electronics, but it’s pretty nifty sounding).
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Music
Huge fan of The Gaslight Anthem. I think they’re the best band out right now and they are definitely on the rise.
ABC baby, always be closing.
by ALWAYSBCLOSING on Jun 22, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couple newish bands i'd recommend
White Rabbits, The Sounds, Manchester Orchestra, Wild Light
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Jun 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am unfamiliar
with all of these folks – but I tend toward classical myself (and the stuff that gets lumped under the world music category).
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to rally support
The Armando Galarraga bandwagon crashed and burned a month ago, and it’s time to give this guy the time to sort it out somewhere else, he’s costing the team too much, when we’ve got a qualified starter who has had success at this level sitting in our bullpen. Remember what Miner did in place of Maroth? Imagine what a boost that would be to us right now.
I can’t be alone in this, the argument against shipping out our only qualified middle reliever is week, plenty of options in AAA, my personal favorite being French, but with as much as Galarraga is costing the team, we’re virtually forfeiting his starts anymore, the time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer.
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Armando.....
…..was pitching decent aginst Milwaikee before the rain srarted coming…..he gave up just as mnay hit as Figaro thorough 4……I think galarag is a capable number 5…..I think hes going to be fine.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He needs to get that homer rate under control though… he’s dying by the longball.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun
You can go to this site:
http://www.kitebird.com/cgi-bin/bpblist.rb
and put in your birthday to see which players you share it with. I don’t have anybody all that memorable, except for Mutz Ens, who played 3 games with the 1912 Chicago White Sox.
Great name.
by NCDee on Jun 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me And Nate Share The Same Day....
……And BENNIE BLADES!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Bagwell….was always a big fan of his
only name there that’s recognizable for me, though some GREAT old-timey names:
Pinky Higgins (1909)
Lefty Hopper (1874)
Euel Moore (1908)
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We share a birthday
You missed Frank Thomas!!!
by Bigreg1544 on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito Fuentes, Ted Lilly – but the best names are Klondike Smith (1887) and Corky Valentine (1929).
Although I also share a birthday with Dyan Cannon, Michael Stipe, and Louis Braille. :)
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List is incomplete!
‘cuz I know I share a b-day with Andrew Miller, and he doesn’t show up on that list….
Kent Hrbek, Bobby Cox, and Bryce Florie are the only interesting names on that list…
In the outside world, I share that birthday (May 21) with Mr. T, which is always good for 2 minutes of discussion followed by an awkward silence…
Official BYB Juju Consultant...now accepting rally creature applications!
by ahtrap on Jun 23, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was fun
Derrek Lee, Pat Meares, and Greg Olson (former O’s closer)
good find, NCDee
http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com
by BigJP on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly
He was a hero for us last year and started this year fine…
But I think you can only take what we’ve been getting for so long, he still gave up 3 ER and 4 runs total in 4 innings. Yes he looked better, but Miner came in and threw 2 1/3 scoreless and only gave up one hit.
In my mind it’s not a question of whether or not Armando is capable of it, he’s more than proven he is, it’s a question of whether or not he can handle it right now. And I don’t think he is at the moment. Give him a break, and let him return to form.
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors
Had an interesting Tigers related post today. Most of it covered the “Ordonezgate” and the news on Gullien sounded promising. What threw me though was the comment that regardless of Gullien’s health the Tigers are looking to trade for a power bat. My question is who is out there and what do we have to give up? I remember the Brad Hawpe rumors but given the fact that the Rockies have climbed back into wild card contention I don’t see that happening. The only other name I can think of is Matt Holliday and my concern there is that he would be over priced. Any thoughts?
by tigerfaninChicago on Jun 22, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uh...Barry Bonds?
lol
or more realistically, what about Frank Thomas? He had been DHing the last several years so he’s got to be pretty healthy. I guess I don’t really want any of those guys but Thomas is certainly a doable rent-a-player.
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he officially retired
not a 100% sure on that one but I know he is working for Comcast in Chicago during the broadcasts of Cubs/White Soxes games. I also know he has said that he is the kind of hitter who needs 100 AB’s to get warmed up and I am not sure taking a chance on him is the best idea. Of course, I would prefer that option versus trading any true prospects we still have.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jun 22, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I didn't realize that
I thought he was more ‘Kenny Rogers retired’
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny you mention Kenny
I have a friend that’s a Tiger fan and I keep telling that I believe Kenny and DD have a deal worked out that as long as Kenny stays in shape then the Tigers would look at him as an option should a rotation regular get hurt. Kenny doesn’t want to pitch any where else and in all seriousness should something happen to Jackson, Verlander, Porcello or Gallaraga and they were to miss the rest of the season then the Tigers would sign Rogers and fill the hole in the rotation with him. There is nothing substantial to support this of course, just one guys crazy theory.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jun 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn?
He’s 30, and he’s on the Nats… With the right incentives it might be possible. Something like a Thomas and some lesser prospects might intrigue a team as mired in rebuilding as the Nats.
Don’t we all wish, I can’t realistically see this happening
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that too
The Nats are out of it, Dunn was not happy that he only got a 2 year deal at 10million per (reasonable for a 40 hr guy) and it was with a team he didn’t really want to sign with. Plus, everyone seems to agree he fits the mold of a career DHer from here on out. He does strikeout a lot but his production helps you tolerate it. If we don’t have to break the farm I would be all for it.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jun 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on all points
I’d take Adam Dunn, but I find it highly unlikely
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors Of Kenny.....
…..Coming back and making a few starts as well
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think I would drop dead
if Kenny Rogers were to return. That’s how shocked I’d be. His arm was never the same after the surgery and he was piss poor his last year. I can’t see him rejuvenating the Tigers.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 22, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn wants out, but the Nats won't let him
for anything short of half or farm system…. Thomas, Raburn, and a pitcher maybe…. Ni possibly? I’d hate to do it, but he’s stil lgot a lot of good years ahead of him as a DH if he stays healthy, it might be worth looking at, depending on how our deeper prospects work out.
He could be our offensive Jackson-style deal.
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that were really true
those 3 names right there, I absolutely would pull the trigger. Raburn will never be more than a career utility guy and thus would be more valuable on an NL team, Ni hasn’t proven anything yet until he can pitch his way into the Majors, and Clete would be tough to part with because of his D but obviously Dunn is the better major-leaguer.
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody but Casey Crosby or Wilkin Ramirez
If they’d let him go for a package based around Cale Iorg, I’d be okay with that.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers
In his day he was one of the best pitchers around, but his days are done. I have not missed seeing him on the mound. Last year he could barely go four innings without looking like he was gonna fall over dead.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he could benefit us
at all….
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Better than Armando? I think not.
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
Armando doesn’t look like he’s dying after 3 innings, he usually just looks like he’s ready to cry (lately anyway) lol
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
lol
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could sit in the corner with Robertson.
just saying, they could be useless together
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just throwing names
The Nats want young pieces who could be future guys, I think Clete could have leverage, Ni has just been the name on my mind lately, we’ve got any number of decent ptchers, and like you said raburn is utility for us, but he’s shown potential and could sweeten the deal without hurting us
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe even throw in Maggs....
it hurts me to do it I’m as big a maggs fan as anyone, but a name like Magglio’s, even with this years numbers, might make it happen.
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Maggs
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, maybe he's the anti-Samson!
if you’re really a Maggs fan you have to sacrifice!
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's hoping he returns with some pop tomorrow
we need maggs. Or we need to deal him, a .270 hitting slugger with no power and no speed isn’t worth a whole lot….
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggs
Not sure if this link will work, but Leland is still not decided if Magglio will play tomorrow. Sure doesn’t sound like it.
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2009/06/tigers_magglio_ordonez_may_sit.html
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 22, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked
Who wants to take bets that Maggs won’t start tomorrow against the Mets?
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 22, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cubs, excuse me!
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
I saw him on the news earlier saying pretty much what I just read. Never can tell what Leyland might do. When he does come back, I am almost thinking this will be Magg’s “last hooray” so to speak.
I figure they’ll see how he does when he comes off of the bench so they can evaluate his trade value. I would really like to see him get out there tomorrow, or the next day with some real pop in his bat.
I really don’t think he’ll finish the season in Detroit. Too much talk and too many rumors for too many weeks. I have been a fan since we acquired him and will probably follow the rest of his career until he is “done”… where ever he goes.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
too much talk, too many rumors and too much money not to consider this seriously. I don’t think they have any intention of letting him get his at bats in, not unless he comes out slugging.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMMFAO
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet heavy that he plays.
Old Man River is tired of talking about it.
by rook34 on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fans won't like it if he doesn't
fans won’t like it if he GIDP, first pitch swing, SO or misses a ball in right field, either.
I love him, no matter what. But the team comes first.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.... you guys got me.... Poor Maggs
Truly If It would help him hit better, I’d say DO IT! I’d go into mourning but if it helps the team then I’d be all for it. Yeah, I know I’m waffling, but homers flying off that bat would look better to me than those locks flying under that hat, at this point.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I can die happy now
seeing you say that
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
how about if Maggs shaves his head, but wears a Maggs wig to make up for it?
Hmm, now i’m thinking he is samson and is, in fact, wearing a wig and that’s why his power is gone.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see him bald....
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But............ the wig looked good on Pudge
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by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian...
nice quote on the caption at the top of the page. If any fan of that movie says he didn’t well up when Prime died, that fan is lying.
by rook34 on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heart Optimus Prime. :)
Hot Rod was such a little twit.
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Though I did mark out huge for the “Arise, Rodimus Prime”. Ah, to be 11 again.
I had to explain to my fiancee for the first movie how big a deal Optimus Prime is to many guys my age. Not looking all that forward to the second flick, though.
by rook34 on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I love the guy… he helped bring the tigers back from the dark times…. I don’t want to do it, and I guarantee this deal won’t happen.
I’m just trying to take a step back from the personal part of it and say, “What helps the Tigers the most?”
The time for reckoning has come, and we already have the answer
by Vreeland2 on Jun 22, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watching this college world series game?
NO ONE wants to win!
by Ohio Tiger on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me either
I was rooting for LSU to tie it in the ninth and then Texas not to score.
I didn’t really have an opinion who I wanted to win until the Texas guy leaned into a pitch to get hit and that annoyed me so I started rooting for LSU. That could change if they annoy me.
It’s too hot and I’m irritable, haha
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha.... yeah, i have no preference either
Its almost getting hard to watch though. Pitching is bad enough to get into a huge jam, hitters can’t come through in the clutch, pitcher gets out of the jam, repeat…
by Ohio Tiger on Jun 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could have been worse, I think it was Texas that went 25 innings with Baylor in the regionals….
Official BYB Juju Consultant...now accepting rally creature applications!
by ahtrap on Jun 23, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
Am I insane for expecting to at least win 7 of the next 9? Cubs, Astros, and A’s should provide some wins, right?
by actioncuse on Jun 22, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That seems realistic to me and it would be nice
especially if the Twins keep losing
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 22, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta think the Brewers have to be pissed off, right? The Twins swept ’em a couple of weeks ago, and they just got swept by the Tigers….perfect time to take out a few frustrations on the Twinkies, right???
Official BYB Juju Consultant...now accepting rally creature applications!
by ahtrap on Jun 23, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure hope we've jumped ship
on the whole “lose to the best, win against the worst” thing we’ve done for stretches before.
Although I’m sure that’s what most fans think about their teams occasionally.
But yes, we should win the next 3 series, or something is off.
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On paper, no, you're not insane
But everytime I think like that I think back to the Baltimore series and cry.
by Tagne13 on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are catching both the Cubs and Stros at the wrong time.
Cubs come in with the top of the rotation and are starting to play well. Stros just played great up at the Dome.
I’d feel great about 6 of 9, myself.
by rook34 on Jun 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs just got shut out by the Braves tonight
it’s amazing how good an offense looks playing Cleveland
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, what he said
though rook is obviously right about the Cubs rotation being liend up well from their point of view.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 23, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when does everyone think the KC blog will forfeit the season?
I was checking out the Indian’s blog and they have all decided the season is over, and basically only us or the Twinkies will win.
Which is fun, sad and interesting to see, considering we thought similarly at points last season. My question is, when do y’all think we’ll see similar posts from KC? I think in 2 weeks or so.
by Kmann on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the royals should have forfeit by now, too. they’re just not good.
Sox Im not sure about. I think they could go either way, and their pitching has been better recently. Twins obviously are always dangerous
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 23, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna keep an eye on the KC blog
just so I know when it’s become a 3 team race.
by Kmann on Jun 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New idea I just thought of
A rally ‘legless wheelchair guy sitting in front of parking structure’
If only we had a picture….
by Tagne13 on Jun 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you drive down to the old Tiger Stadium
you’ll probably get your picture.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not anymore
it collapsed this afternoon
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the legless wheelchair guy
omg! that’s bad of me.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no its not
because I was wicked enough to do a google search for the very pic he wanted..lol
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that from the parking garage
by Comerica?
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by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah ...
Let’s assume so, that way he seems more rallying for the Tigs.
He’s awesome.
by Kmann on Jun 23, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao…
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found a picture that will probably work… but I don’t have the balls to post it
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You just hold on a sec.
I actually took a picture of this crazy guy, it’ll be up in a minute.
by Kmann on Jun 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Mr. Jackson is asleep yet?
Big day tomorrow.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should be asleep
I have work in the a.m. and the game in the evening. But no matter how many games I go to, I get so wired the day before I can’t sleep… at all. I am like a kid before each and every one.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good nite!
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky!!!
I’m jealous. It will probably be packed and it’s supposed to get up to 90 degrees tomorrow.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I'm going to be without cable for the next 5+ days...
apart from going to a bar to watch the games, is there anywhere I can watch Tigers games online?
by Tagne13 on Jun 23, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.tv?
Unless you were looking for “less expensive” options…
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can try this
www(dot)atdhe(dot)net
It was pretty reliable with the hockey games all season (since the NHL saw fit to be ass-stupid about televising games on channels that weren’t blacked out in home markets). They carry some baseball games, too – I don’t know how wide the selection is, but it’s worth a shot.
"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams
by Baroque on Jun 23, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is a pron webiste that infects my computer
I KEEL YOU!!
by Tagne13 on Jun 23, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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