Detroit Tigers: Draft Day Analysis
[Editor's Note: I thought we'd move this over from the FanPosts for the sake of discussion, since demondeaconsbaseball has been following the process so closely for Minor League Ball. We'll have more analysis of the Tigers' draft - I know a couple of people who feel quite differently on Detroit's second-round pick, for instance - from around the blogosphere later on.]
2009 Detroit Tigers Draft: Day 1 Exit Analysis
So since I covered the Tigers in the mock draft over at Sickels' site, I figured that I'd cover them in the real draft as well. Below the jump is my analysis of Day 1 of the 2009 MLB Entry Draft. Updates will be made in the comments as the draft progresses.
Needs
The Tigers have a gutted farm system. We all know that. After trading for Edgar Renteria and Miguel Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis last year, the cupboard is bare, especially since we've promoted our consensus #1 prospect to the big leagues (Rick Porcello). What's left isn't exactly inspiring. Our current best prospect is either Casey Crosby or Cale Iorg. Crosby has an electric arm but control issues and an injury history. Iorg has no plate discipline to speak of.
The system also has a few pretty good catching prospects in Alex Avila and Dusty Ryan, both of which will probably see some time in the show as either starters or backups. Second baseman Mike Hollimon also deserves a nod. Note that the system is devoid of position prospects and starting pitchers outside of these three. This is definitely an area where Detroit needs improvement.
What the Tigers have in spades is relief pitching. After spending our top four picks on college relievers last year, it makes sense that we have a bunch of solid players for future Tiger bullpens. Throw in players like Casey Fien, Freddy Dolsi, Clay Rapada and Zach Simons, and we've got relief pitching in spades. This has it's advantages- relievers are a volitile commodity, and it's always nice to be able to stock a bullpen quickly. Unfortunately, it's hard to get much for relief prospects in trades, so it's unlikely that Detroit will flip any of these guys for any major needs.
The Draft
Pick #9: Jacob Turner, RHP, MO HS
I don't like this pick as much as I want to. Turner is a good player- heck of a fastball and very projectable. He's a Chadd guy all right. What I don't like is that his breaking pitches lag behind his fastball, and he's got command issues and delivery flaws. It's really hard to fix delivery problems (see Dontrelle Willis), and any player that keeps fastballs up in the zone is going to be punished eventually.
That being said, Turner really isn't a bad pick on his own merits. What makes this a bad pick is who we passed up on. Tyler Matsek, the lefthanded prep prospect from California, was selected at #11. Aaron Crow, indy ball righthander and former first rounder, was chosen at #12. Grant Green, shortstop from USC was chosen at #13. Alex White, UNC right hander, was chosen at #15. All four of these pitchers, in my mind, would have been a far better choice than Turner.
Why? Matsek was the top lefthander in the draft, Crow was an electric arm last year and is an electric arm this year, Green was the top infielder in the draft (and arguably second highest position player) and Alex White was a dominant starter at UNC, one of the best baseball schools in the nation.
Now, bear in mind that I'm not a scout. I haven't watched a bunch of video of all of these players, and I'm not in the heads of Tigers brass. But I can't for the life of me decide why we passed up on Matsek, Crow, Green or White (or even Shelby Miller, chosen at #19). It's not signability- none of these players are going to be had cheaply, not even Turner. Forgive me for questioning David Chadd, but I'm not one to only concern myself with tall kids with good fastballs. And if I was concerned with tall kids with good fastballs, I would have gone Matsek, Crow, White or Miller.
This pick is forgiveable, but disappointing.
Pick #58: Andrew Oliver, LHP, Oklahoma St.
This pick is unforgiveable. Remember how I wrote all about Detroit and it's depth in relievers? Well, guess what Oliver will be doing for the rest of his career. He's got a very good fastball, and very good fastball command. Combined with a devastating change, he's a great prospect, one that reminds me of Fernando Rodney. The problem is that Oliver has no breaking ball to speak of, dooming him to the bullpen. That's what's so unforgiving here.
For the love of all that is good and holy, take someone like Brody Colvin. Sure, he's got mechanical problems, but he's got a hell of a fastball and a good breaking ball- he may even be better than Turner in the long run. Now, Colvin could be coming in Round 4- he hasn't been picked yet. But the point is not that he hasn't been drafted, but that this pick has been squandered on yet another reliever. Hell, if you want to save money, overdraft a solid position player like Kyle Seager, UNC 2B/3B. He went early third round, but he projects to play a solid 2B or 3B while hitting for average. But don't pick a reliever here.
Pick #89: Wade Gaynor, 3B, Western Kentucky Univ.
This pick is a slight overdraft- Gaynor probably would have been available in round 4 tomorrow.. Based on his line, Gaynor has decent power and hits for high average. His plate discipline is pretty good (35 walks to 41 strikeouts), but I'd like to see more advanced scouting reports on him, especially his defense. This pick doesn't really faze me- the Tigers clearly liked him enough to overdraft him, and we do need third basemen in the system. If anything, this is my favorite pick of the first day, pending further information on his defensive abilities.
Overall Concerns
I'm not happy with David Chadd right now. Passing on Matsek/Green/Crow/White/Miller isn't exactly what I was hoping for today, even though Turner is solid, and drafting ANOTHER reliever should have been flat out forbidden by Dombrowski. That being said, I'll wait until tomorrow to call for Chadd's head.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.
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Thanks for your info!
I have been trying to find some MLB draft info, and its pretty rare. I went and looked up the player stats after seeing whom the Tigers picked and each looked solid. I do like what I read about Gaynor. Not sure if you should be calling for Chadd’s head yet, we all wanted Mayhew after the Lions draft and now the general census is that it was solid. Chadd has brought in some good players, shows a good nose even in the later stages of the Draft. Unlike Joe D, who should hire someone like Chadd. We would be much better at the moment.
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by Leapin Lion on Jun 10, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayhew's head *
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by Leapin Lion on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice anaylsis....
……But ill tyrsu the guys that get paid fo a liviing to do this….Same thing on the Lons board….people always over react to draft picks….good or bad….GO TIGS PICKS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pitching....
I will never fault a team for taking pitching. Even relief pitching. I think Turner is a couple million cheaper than Matsek, and they are different types of pitchers…..don’t know who I would consider the better prospect. Turner has the better arm, Matsek is more polished and a lefty….but Turner is obviously Chadd’s type of pitcher, and from the fluff I’ve read has a good head on his shoulders and has been developed properly (no breaking balls until junior year).
by The Fume on Jun 10, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks good to me!
Been a Tiger fan 30 years this group looks good.The brass is doing O.K sticking to a plan.By God 4 or 5 years ago the beer guy was a prospect.This team was bad for many years.Now the boys up top know pitching wins games.Maybe a little more speed in the lineup might bring the title.
by Robertdogsworld on Jun 10, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigs drafted Fields in the 6th round....
……is he going to college?….or will he maybe sign?
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he goes to UM
but if he was gonna get drafted, I’m glad it was the Tigers. I’ll bet he goes to college
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was worth a shot....
…..in the 6th round anyway…..id like to see him sin with Detroit since im a state guy….lol
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a good chance he'll sign
A raw SS out of a Detroit prep school, there’s a lot of tools there to like. The Tigers might actually score a hometown discount with him as well, since he’s a Michigan prep kid.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matzek's ear things.
On live TV were enough to make me glad we don’t have him.
by rcpratt on Jun 10, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And for some reason, I love the Austin Wood pick
probably because of all the media attention. You win ESPN, I’m a fan.
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is he the guy that pitched the other day.....
….against tcu?
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. threw a bunch of no-hit innings in relief
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was impressive
if kinda risky for his arm.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not uncommon though in college....
……probably will have his best shot as a reliver and the next level
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he profile as a starter or a reliever?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard to say.
He was a starter until this year, IIRC. And he obviously can throw 169(lol 69) pitches after having closed all year. It might be a Andrew Cashner situation. College closer turned starter.
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
found it
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/31/June1/2.html
Looks like a lefty with decent velocity, good breaking stuff. He has started in the past.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
half These guys wont make the team.....
…..or never get out of rookie ball but im sure its a thrill for the scouts to maybe get that one guy that rises all the way up.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you'd be suprised
With a stellar draft director, you’ll see guys from later rounds contribute to major league teams.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not talking about the Lions here
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by Leapin Lion on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Fritsch
Righthanded starter out of Baylor- he’s got great stuff, he just needs to utilize it better than he was. He could be a big sleeper in this draft.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What ever happened to Kenny Baugh....
….from rice….we drafted him…I really thought hes make it.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tore up his arm I believe
don’t quote me on that though
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit that I know nothing about Johnson or Gomez
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Checked Johnson's line
Good average, pretty good power, like his walk-to-strikeout ratio.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Murrian now
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez
Can’t find much… he’s Alex Cintron’s cousin…
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murrian....catcher....
…..anybody know anything?
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His line
Hit .327, slugged .517, but with only 6 HR. Good walk to strikeout ratio of 27 to 29.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I just say that
I’m glad I’m not the only one watchng this as closely as we are. It seems less creepy googling high school and college kids when I know there are others doing the same.
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just keep waiting for Chris Hanson to bust through my door
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sedon
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/sports/sedon_expected_to_be_drafted_by_mlb?localLinksEnabled=false
Seems to be a bit of a power hitting 2B. Converted SS- probably decent defensively. Can’t find his season line anywhere.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone from GR just got drafted
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another Michigan commit
ss. 6th best high school ss
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
per Baseball America
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Fields
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/baseball/news/story?id=3902605
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a very hard throwing lefty at that
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And looks like a reliever
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... never mind
Can’t find definitively- this is what happens when you hurry too much.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Rockett
is a CF and has an AWESOME name
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a solid pick too
Dunno about his conference (seems weak to me), but he’s a very good contact hitter- hit .394, has some pop (15 HR, slugged .665) and has more walks than strikeouts (26 to 23).
Here’s more on Rockett.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/UTSAs_Rockett_soaring_into_record_books.html
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any other solid pick-by-pick websites
besides for mlb.com?
by TMadison25 on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow dude
Overreact much? The Oliver pick unforgivable? Get real. And what if Matzek and White had signability issues? Damn dude, they’ve had a fine draft.
by BigDaddyJC on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Agree With That.....
……He just needs to develop a off speed pitcher and we gota steal
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's unforgiveable
Because of our depth at reliever. We spent a very high pick on a player that will end up relieving- unless he somehow manages to develop a breaking ball, which is unlikely in my mind. With a team with an aging core, we can’t afford to spend these picks on relief pitchers.
And Matzek, White and Turner all have signabilty issues. The problem is that we passed up on a very good left hander in Matzek and a fairly sure thing in White for a guy with a good fastball and lacking secondary stuff. I’m not incredibly angry about the Turner pick, mind you- I just think there were better choices on the board at the time.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Will.....
……be able to otherwise why would they take him in round 2…..I think Dombroksi and his guys know what they are doing
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Appel
Stanford commit- great arm, but he’s gonna be pricey.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
one of my favorite picks so far, from what I’ve read
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by YakAttack on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't impressed
with the video i saw on him
by Motown'sFinest on Jun 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mechanical problems?
Or just not that overpowering?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roof Catcher from Mich St.....
…..Was wondering if wed take him…..he could devlop into a nice catcher
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Senior from Mich. St.
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/061009aab.html
Not a lot of power, but good patience and decent contact ability.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jun 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gene Roof's kid
has some nice pop in his bat. Saw him play a few times in the big 10 tourney this spring. Hit a grand slam in one game.
by Ohio Tiger on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw him when state played central
my friends and i made fun of him. It’d be weird to root for him now. haha!
by wepri31 on Jun 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did that make me sound like a jerk?
whoops.
by wepri31 on Jun 10, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone From CMU was just drafted
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One time during the winter, it was super icey and my roomie and i went to the library. I almost fell on my ass, and dan just happened to be walking on the same path. We all laughed at me.
by wepri31 on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tigers drafted someone name Giovanni Soto haha, except he's a left handed pitcher instead of a catcher
by RudeMood19 on Jun 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good....
….The cubs guy is barely hitting over .200
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 10, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was just looking up tigers draft picks from recent years, check out this mlb.com analysis for kyle sleeth, 3rd overall in 2003:
“Long career likely. Very good shot as frontline starter. Improved control & cb. Likely early 1st round type pick.”
damn, injuries suck.
by RudeMood19 on Jun 10, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice recap of the first three picks, however...
I’m not nearly as down on the first two picks as you are. I, too, wanted Matzek, but he was said to be asking for “unprecedented” money. Yes, the Tigers will shell out plenty of cash for Turner, but saving even a little in the first round gives them the opportunity to pay a little more and land top prep guys like Fields (who will almost certainly sign), Roache (have a feeling he’ll get away, but we’ll see), and Appel (ranked the 37th best high school player coming into this year by Baseball America). I would also argue that Turner’s ceiling is just as high as Matzek’s, but he probably has a lower floor. There’s a decent scouting report on him at Project Prospect, though it’s far from exhaustive. http://projectprospect.com/article/2009/06/06/jacob-turner-scouting-report
Now, with Oliver, I really think the Tigers are going to push him as a starter. Here is Sickels’ assessment of him:
“Andy Oliver, Oklahoma State: STRENGTHS: 90-95 MPH fastball, good slider, has flashed a changeup, good control, excellent sophomore season last year, strong and durable. WEAKNESSES: Lost his plus curveball this year; needs to refine changeup and slider, weaker-than-expected performance this spring, Scott Boras client.”
He has a plus fastball, and the MLB draft tracker says he also has a plus changeup. I would argue that you can be a damn fine starter if you have two plus pitches, and then occasionally show a third pitch, no matter how poor it is. A.J. Burnett, Edwin Jackson, and Erik Bedard are all essentially 2-pitch guys, and they are quality starters. I like Oliver’s upside, and I think he profiles as more of a Jorge de la Rosa than a Matt Thornton. Only time will tell.
Again, thanks for your assessment. Despite my disagreements, I appreciate the effort you put into this.
by ChrisBrown on Jun 11, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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