I'll Take "Tigers Fantasy Trades For Roy Halladay," Alex
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 14, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
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PrintIs it possible that the price tag for Toronto Blue Jays pitcher Roy Halladay (the starting pitcher for the American League in tonight's All-Star Game) isn't as steep as virtually everyone following baseball thought it would be? That's what Steve Kornacki's reporting for MLive.com tells us:
According to a source familiar with the Blue Jays' needs, they want a young shortstop and a back-of-the-rotation starter in a package for Halladay. Detroit qualifies as a suitor for those needs, with deeper starting pitching than most and three quality shortstop prospects in International League All-Star Brent Dlugach, Cale Iorg (son of former Blue Jays infielder Garth Iorg) and Danny Worth.
Remember that episode of Cheers when Cliff Clavin wins an appearance on Jeopardy! and the categories are "Civil Servants," "Stamps From Around the World," "Mothers and Sons," "Beer," and "Celibacy"? (Here's a video clip to refresh your memory or make the reference clear.) It was Cliff's "dream board," with every category set right in his wheelhouse.
That's kind of how this list of needs, if true, looks for Dave Dombrowski. What are the positions of strength in the Detroit Tigers' minor league organization? Okay, there's not a top-shelf starting pitching prospect in the system right now, but they have several good ones. And middle infield might be the Tigers' deepest resource right now.
I find it impossible to believe that the first names out of J.P. Ricciardi's mouth wouldn't be "Rick Porcello," "Ryan Perry," or "Wilkin Ramirez." And if he didn't get either one of those players from Detroit in return for possibly the best pitcher in baseball, the Blue Jays' ownership should strongly consider dropping their GM from the top of the CN Tower into a fiery pit of knives, spikes, and broken glass.
But the Tigers aren't listed among the presumed top contenders for Halladay. And as we all know, an established bat is probably higher on the team's list of needs. However, there are some players you have to at least inquire about because they would undoubtedly make your team better. That was Mike Ilitch's thinking back in the winter of 2007 about Miguel Cabrera, remember?
(Thanks to MacRae for posting these links in the comments of today's Morning Prowl.)
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Do it DD!
Easier said then done, but I would not be upset to lose any young player in this organization with “potential” to have Roy Halladay for maybe 6 or 7 good years.
Seriously
If they can get Halladay without giving up Porcello…You are looking at Roy, JV, EJ, Porcello…and maybe not this year but Bonderman as a No 5 starter next year…if that rotation can’t get a team to the playoffs there are serious problems…the hitters are hot and cold off and on, but pitching wins titles and with that rotation the Tigers get a ring. You could make Inge the No 5 starter and be OK…
"young shortstop" is kinda vague
It could mean Cale Iorg. It could also mean Hanley Ramirez
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by rock n rye on Jul 14, 2009 3:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You think they will take an
elbow mass delivered on a train?
Oh, one can dream……
"A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people who take drugs treat them like a license to behave like an asshole. "
If we were to acquire Halladay it’d probably take Porcello, Perry, and Wilkin Ramirez or one of the aforementioned shortstops to even conceivably swing the deal. That would also mean most likely losing Verlander or Jackson due to the money we’d have to shell out for a long-term Hallady contract. What we need is a solid hitter to bat either in front of or behind Cabrera in the lineup for the next couple of years. I have faith in Thames this season, but he is not the option for the future moving on. Hitting is the greater need. Pass.
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 14, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
or, they could just offer him up for trade next season if things aren't going well
Not that I see a deal coming. But you gotta throw that out there. Just because you deal for him doesn’t mean you have to keep him until the end, maybe you can get something in value later.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that is hardly comparable
Unless you think there’s some reason related to playing in Toronto that Halladay is so good. The stats don’t exactly agree.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Holliday wishes now that he would have taken that deal the Rockies offered him back in ’08. You think the Tigers will make an offer to him this offseason? Would that even be a good move?
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 14, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm just found this- http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/7/14/949126/matt-holliday-to-the-braves
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on the offer really
He’s not as good as he was in Colorado, nor as bad as he started off in Oakland. I mean, he did put together a couple of 800+ OPS months and he’s fine in the outfield. There’d be nothing wrong with pursuing him, just depends on how much he commands.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Last Saturday nights game thread...
I led off asking if anyone had heard this rumour, but I failed to mention Halladay. In the “fantasy” world, it is hard to swallow that the Tigers are willing to give up Porcello. The Tigers are probably down on the list for Halladay since they are not really “hopefully” interested in trading Porcello. Very interesting though.
OT Anyone watching the Red Carpet Show?
Curtis just gave a very nice interview sitting along side his parents. Looked sharp, too! Talked about the team’s finish before the break, etc. as Mark Texiera passed him by during the interview. Saw Mr. Jackson for a minute, too.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
It's wonderful!
They just interviewed Jeter and Texiera. Some guys are dressed casual and others in suits and ties with their wife and kids. Tons of people on both sides of the street with this huge red carpet they actually drive on to the park.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
Oh, God! Tony LaRussa with Sully Sullenberger
being interviewed. Can’t stomach LaRussa.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
OT Gustavo Nunez was indefinitely suspended
from West Michigan Whitecaps for behavior issues. A hot-shot SS.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
You Give Up Every Prospect.....
…….You can to get a guy like Roy……can you imagine JV, Roy and EJ……Thats what im talking about……Ramirez Thomas Porcello….whatever……DO IT!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
if you're the tigers, there's no untouchable prospects for a guy like Halladay
Other organizations, that may not necessarily be true.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
none?
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
The Tigers just don’t have any real A-list prospects to worry about. I mean, Porcello qualifies, but you only hope Porcello’s career ends up like Halliday’s, and he’s definitely not going touch what Halladay can do in the next two years.
There’s deals where it adds up to being too much, but there’s no single player to rule out.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say Porcello is close to untouchable
That being said, everyone else is fair game.
by David Tokarz on Jul 14, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect you're right
for a guy like Halladay, he shouldn’t be. For like 95% of the starters out there, he should be.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever type of trade ends up happening this season...
Tigers just need to make sure to insist on Dontrelle being involved with whoever it is, ha
halladay and a bag of balls for ...
Willis, Robertson, Ryan and a Iorg
OT, FYI
there are different cameras fans can watch for free on mlb.tv at the game today, including a BP cam
I'm going there and watch on TV
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
good girl
wepri31? You can watch now and anyone else with a computer.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
You could sit on the bench with him
but coach won’t put you in the game, better put your rally cap on
I love you Detroitchik
That’s why i said I think…way over, and NO I am not slow.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
LMAO
haaahahahahaha. I forgot about that guy. That’s probably why I didn’t get it.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
Hey cameras are on already
And just a suggestion if you’ve never used mlb.com before. Forget nexdef — it’s about half an inning behind. Standard mode is just fine.
I think I have decided
that this source is playing Kornacki to help boost the market for Halladay.
What he says the Jays are looking for is so close to the strengths of the Tigers’ minor league organization that it seems almost too good to be true. But I suppose I shouldn’t say that for sure until I read what reporters following other teams have been told.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 14, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm
How about Halladay and Rios for Ramirez, Iorg and anything in our farm system not named Avilla or Crosby?
The Jays want salary relief in moving Rios, and as long as Mr. Illich is willing to add a buttload of money… we’d be the favorite to win the Central.
I believe DD will at least make an offer of some kind here
I don’t know if he will give up Porcello, but maybe Ryan. Maybe Santiago as SS? What about Zoom? Maybe a change of location would do him good?
I hear rumors of Cliff Lee being available too (though he doesn’t seem as solid this year).
(1) Not Porcello, for crying out loud. Porcello at 20 is already the team’s No. 3 starter, while looking like he has a ton of potential to get even better. I would not bet on Halladay, good as he is, being better than Porcello over the next couple of years.
(2) Who the Tigers need at this point is Luke Scott.
Franklin
Wasn’t Ryan Franklin when he was pitching for the Mariners one of the first people to be suspended for steriods?
Halladay and a bag of balls
For Willis, Robertson, Perry, Iorg and Ryan Strieby.
The keys to this deal is the bag of balls for Robertson (definitely needs a change of scenery) and Willis.
Perry and Strieby (who is putting up a great year in AA) along with Iorg (sentimental: he was born there) are the throw-ins.
Tigers can afford to lose Perry with Satterwhite and Fien on there way up the ladder. As well, with Cab. not going anywhere soon, Strieby is expendable unless he is converted to outfield or DH, which probably wouldn’t happen anytime soon.
Tigers should make an offer
Tigers should make a run and to say the Tigers are a dark horse for Halladay is true. I think the Jays need a pitcher or two, catcher and maybe an outfielder if the Jays trade Wells and Rios. The Tigers could dangle Perry, Ryan or Avila, Ramirez and French or Galarraga or Minor or Figaro. Tigers have ss and 1B depth but I think the Jays do too.
Trades are won by getting the best player in the trade. Getting another Ace is a great idea.
Halladay
Why not Rodney, let zoom get his chance to be the closer.
Zoom as the closer?
I have to disagree with that. It’s scary enough seeing Rodney out there and with the way Zoom has been pitching, well the idea of watching him close is horrifying. Actually, I wish we would trade him.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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