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Morning Prowl: Halladay Hootenanny, Grandy Meets Obama, Viva El Tigersosphere, and Who's Selling?

  Could the Tigers really be a player in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes?  My Spidey sense tells me no, but that's not going to stop reporters from trying to connect dots between now and July 31.  For instance, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, who remembers Mike Ilitch's "whatever we have to do" pledge last month and speculates that could mean the Tigers would be interested in Halladay.

  Jason Beck is skeptical, however, knowing that Detroit doesn't have the top-shelf prospects that the Blue Jays would surely seek in such a trade.  The discussions would probably begin with Rick Porcello and Ryan Perry, but is that a price the Tigers would be willing to pay?  Is Porcello considered close to untouchable, for that matter?  (Judging from what one baseball executive told Jon Heyman, that opinion is shared by others in the industry.)

  To get an idea of what a team might have to give up in exchange for Halladay, Beyond the Boxscore tries to put it in numbers, calculating Halladay's trade value and what a trade partner would have to come up with to match that figure.  For example, what sorts of prospects would equal $23 million (the remaining money on Halladay's contract)?  Would a top 10 prospect be enough?  (Hint: He'd better be a hitter, not a pitcher.)

  Curtis Granderson writes about meeting President Obama in his latest post for Big League Stew.  Grandy also includes video of Obama approaching his locker in the AL clubhouse.  (He sort of disses Bud Selig in the process, which is pretty funny, but really, who would you be more excited to meet?)  Another video clip shows all the baseballs and paraphernalia the All-Stars are asked to sign.

  Speaking of Mr. Granderson, Newsday's Ken Davidoff is a Grandy fan lists the Tigers centerfielder as one of the 10 most important people in the AL pennant race.

  One more Grandy note: Is Lynn Henning implying that Granderson needs to get more serious about baseball in his latest column?  That's not to say that Granderson isn't above criticism for posting a .338 on-base percentage.  Actually, I think it's admirable that Henning is taking such a stance.

  Buster Olney thinks the Minnesota Twins have the AL's most favorable schedule down the stretch, with eight series against the worst teams in the league.  However, the Twins have to play 10 more games on the road, where they haven't done so well this season. 

Olney ranks the Tigers with the seventh most favorable schedule, based on 41 of their remaining 75 games being played at Comerica Park, including hosting the Twins for the final three games of the season.

Star-divide

  DesigNate Robertson sticks up for the blogosphere!  (Viva!)  Obviously, as a blogger, I agree with most everything Rogo says, but it's especially interesting to read exactly why he continues to find blogs more compelling to read these days than traditional sportswriting, along with a reminder of how diverse the Tigersosphere is.

  John Lowe chatted with Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez about his former Class A teammate, Miguel Cabrera.  Gonzalez says he could've predicted that BigMig would make a fine defensive first baseman, based on his hands and footwork.  He also talks about their similar approaches to hitting (which their stats largely reflect).

  At Baseball Prospectus, John Perrotto lists the teams he sees as sellers and which players they're looking to shed.  Is there anyone mentioned that you think could help the Tigers?  (I think Dave Dombrowski should put in calls to the Diamondbacks and Orioles.)

  Perrotto's colleague at BP, Joe Sheehan, compares teams' first-half performances to his preseason rankings.  Sheehan praises the Tigers' pitching and defense for putting them in first place, but thinks their run prevention will slip in the second half.

  Brandon Inge's 21-homer output in the Tigers' first 87 games is listed among UmpBump.com's unsolved mysteries of the baseball season's first half.

  Baseball Musings has been blowing through a "Thirty Teams in Three+ Days" look at the first half of the season.  Yesterday, David Pinto got to the Tigers, and is surprised the White Sox aren't ahead of them in the AL Central, based on everything that's gone wrong so far this season.

  What's more entertaining: These t-shirts or Walkoff Walk's impressively alliterative headline in its post about them?

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the more and more I hear

about the possible trade of Halliday to Detroit, the less and less I like the idea. We have done such a great job bringing these kids up through our system and have really just recently (3-4 years) been reaping the benefits. Our starting pitching has been one of the more pleasant suprises this year and to throw the future aces away in exchange for the undoubtably best rotation in baseball for one season doesnt make much sense. Start keeping track now … by this time next year Perry and Porcello combined will have more wins and more Ks than Halliday.

by IowaLion on Jul 17, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

technically it would be for two seasons

I’m not sure the Tigers have really been reaping much benefit of their minor leaguers. They’ve mostly used them as trade chips, and the ones they’ve traded have almost universally not panned out in the majors. (Jair Jurrjens being the notable exception, as everyone points out.) They seem to have a pretty good grasp on when to hold and when to trade.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree with you about halfway

Granted, our farm system is about depleated as far as top-notch talent as it stands right now. But in the last 2 years we have been able to bring out a some solid ball players. I have to hand it to DD for being almost 100% correct with the trades in that time as well despite D-Train. But we have just a little pile of talent left right now and I would be very hesitant to drop it all (or at least most of it) for another starting pitcher at this point. We will have to wait and see how some of these guys hold up through September and into October but I dont think we are in a position where we have to trade to become a contender right now.
That being said … I do trust the fact that they do have a pretty good grasp on when to hold and when to trade so, if it does happen I will just assume I have no idea what I am talking about. If it doesnt happen I still may not know what I am talking about but it would give me a little confidence knowing that they trust guys like Percello and Perry for the future.

by IowaLion on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But.....

….Gettign a guy like Halladay and teaming him with Verlander and Jackson puts us in the world series…..Its easier to develop a position guys and find young pitchers that may be good….However you dont have the chance to get a guy that will get you a win every 5 days that often….I say do it and give them whatever they want!!!!….If they want porcello and perry i say welcome to Canada boys.

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would give us a shot ... (a good shot)

But nothing puts us in the world series other than getting to the playoffs and winning 7 games. The only thing we are absolutely certain to do with a trade like that is weaken the Tiger teams in the future. I hope I am wrong and they make the trade and win the world series this year and next and I have to eat every single one of these words, but my gut reaction to this trade is thanks but no thanks.

by IowaLion on Jul 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

true enough

Nothing guarantees any team a world series.

There’s a lot more to this ‘young vs. old" question right now. Obviously that’s an issue for every team. But I wonder if it’s more of a question of philosophy for a team like the Tigers, that might be on the verge of one window closing and it has to start to think about the next window opening at the same time. Or, some might even disagree with the premise entirely and see a totally different window.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 17, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose it would have to do with how a team attacks championships

Is it every year you are out there giving it your all? Do you wait and stock-pile the right players and make calculated grasps at it? Or do you just try to keep the team afloat as best as possible and just trust that if you put a good enough product out there year in year out the championships will take care of themselves?

by IowaLion on Jul 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see trading for Halliday

as being a similiar to trading for Doyle Alexander. Clearly they are not on the same level as far as talent, that is not my point. Instead, I see it as the only way it would be worth trading Porcello, Ryan, et al. is if we win the World Series. We would still get some crap for trading Smoltz for Alexander but if we had won in ‘87 it wouldn’t look as bad. Trading for Halliday is a win now move. If we do it and don’t win this year or next then it wasn’t worth it. With all that being said, a top three of the rotation that has Verlander, Jackson and Halliday would be awesome in the playoffs. I suppose, if we made a move for Halliday I would approve.

by tigerfaninChicago on Jul 17, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hearing the names Verlander, Jackson, and Halladay together gives me a chubby

But it’s never going to happen.

If Maggs were cranking along this year and Guillen were healthy and raking I could see this maybe happening, as it would definitely be a ‘must win now’ mentality.

But with our offense squandering so much this year, it’s a lot less likely that one big move is going to put us over the top, thus making it too big of a risk to gamble on our futre. Especially since the kid we just drafted in the 1st round is still prob 3-4 years away.

by Tagne13 on Jul 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong...

but Halladay’s contract is through 2010. Even if we did trade Porcello/Perry/Ramirez/Iorg in some combination for Halladay, we could possibly turn around and re-trade him this winter, or at the 2010 trade deadline. Or, if we hold onto him through 2010 and he walks, we could still get compensation picks in the following draft. For these reasons, I don’t really buy the idea that trading the farm for Halladay means we are surrendering the Tigers’ future; we would stand a good chance of getting top-notch young talent for him before/during/after the 2010 season.

Also, as Kurt points out above, prospects are not sure-things. There’s a good chance, particularly with Ramirez and Iorg, that they will not become impact players in the majors. Chances are pretty good that even Porcello will never be as good as Halladay is now. Personally, I would rather see the Tigers improve their shot at making the WS this year than to stand pat and have a farm full of mediocre prospects. Of course, our system is probably mediocre enough that we wouldn’t be able to get Halladay anyway.

by Dberg on Jul 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

agree with all of the above

Halladay probably is like a 1% chance. But we have no other trade rumors to discuss, so we make due!

The system really wouldn’t be missing much if anything was traded, because there’s really nothing more than role players in it right now. Although Avila’s progress does make me wonder if he’s bubbling up.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep saying it...

But there’s hope. Avilla, Casey Crosby (I promise I’m not his brother), Wilkin Ramirez. These are solid players, and this draft has added a few more good choices.

I’d just hate to see Crosby and Avilla go- I think Crosby could be something special, and I see Avilla as a solid starting catcher for the Tigers as soon as 2011.

by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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