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Is Magglio Ordonez really running away from Kurt Suzuki's tag?  Or is he fleeing the realization that he's just no longer the player he used to be, haircut or not?

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Is Magglio Ordonez really running away from Kurt Suzuki's tag? Or is he fleeing the realization that he's just no longer the player he used to be, haircut or not?

Once again, we find ourselves asking: What a difference a week makes, eh?  The tumultuous nature of this Detroit Tigers team continues to frustrate and astound.  Last Thursday, this team looked fantastic.  Top o' the world, Ma!  Now, the lineup can't score any runs again.  And the possibility of being tied for first place in the AL Central with the Twins after this weekend seems terrifyingly real.

Welcome to "BYOBYB," the off-day open thread where you can chat about anything you'd like: Your Detroit Tigers, Major League Baseball, Detroit sports, movies, TV, food, Fourth of July weekend plans, etc. 

Possible topics for the afternoon?  Well, it's up to you, of course, but here are a few icebreakers:

  • Lots of talk about the need to release Magglio Ordonez in the comments to our last post.  Are the Tigers finally at the point of no return with this?  
  • BYB HQ is probably going to take a field trip to see "Transformers" this afternoon.  Is it just an assault on the senses?  And is it really two-and-a-half hours long?  Will we regret giving up that much of our lives to fighting robots?  (Or does that last question just not compute?)
  • A new FanPost has a suggestion for an outfielder Detroit should consider pursuing.  But he has a past that could give the Tigers pause.  Worth the chance?
  • Better holiday cookout food: Hamburgers or hot dogs?  Or is that a choice we just shouldn't ask you to make?  (We're not sure we can choose, either.) 
  • Also worth your time is another FanPost about the Tigers' payroll, and how it's not quite the landfill of wasted money that it might appear to some.  It's kind of a long read, but there's some fine analysis for you.
  • Has anyone listened to "Wilco {the album)" yet?  That is also on today's agenda at BYB HQ. 
  • Some of you might remember a GameThread from last weekend digressing into a discussion about books.  Kurt has demanded requested that we pick up that conversation again, which sounds like a great idea to me.  What are you reading now?  Who/what are some of your favorites?

Did we miss any other Tigers-related topics?  It kind of feels like we did.  In the time since typing out this list, we may have talked ourselves out of "Transformers" and into "Public Enemies."  The final decision might not be made until arriving at the theater, as the showtimes are pretty close to one another.  Anyway, the thread belongs to you, BYB Bunch!  Bring it!

P.S.  Have you said hello in The BYB Introduce Yourself Open Thread yet?

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Oct 2009 by Ian Casselberry - 28 comments

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Reading

Anita Shreve novels. Not normally a fiction reader, but can’t put her books down and as always, lots of non-fiction and magazines (New York mag and Vanity Fair.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jul 2, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear Public Enemy is great. The only reason to watch Transformers is the Camaro!

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought you were gonna say

Megan Fox….

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 2, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not as into her as many guys. Not there’s anything wrong with her!

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check above posted pic...

…I’m positive it will cahnge your mind. It did mine.

by jryno on Jul 3, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're telling me...

…that the girl next door to you doesn’t look like that? Damn, I must be lucky.

by jryno on Jul 3, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

public enemy

was extremely disappointing. nothing wrong with it, per se, but it just doesn’t really separate itself from any other crime drama. 5/10

by Motown'sFinest on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crime?

What about Marion Cotillard? Oui oui.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 2, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww man

wait to rent?

by Tagne13 on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miggy Cabrera for Gold Glove!

I went from jesting about it on Twitter to meaning it for real, to leading the charge. C’mon people, give our splits-doing first-sacker some love!

Peace
Ty @ The Lions in Winter

http://thelionsinwinter.blogspot.com

by ty@thelionsinwinter on Jul 2, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not just yet, Ty

I agree that he has been much improved at first this year, and I think Leyland is right in saying Cabrera could win one someday, but it’s not like he’s JT Snow over there, either. Mark Teixeira or Youkilis will likely win the award, but Miguel might get one too, someday.

http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com

by BigJP on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know

I’m mostly just pumped to see the incredible progress he’s made. Last year, he looked really, really, really uncomfortable at first base, but this year he’s made a great catch, great pick, or other excellent defensive play in almost every game I’ve watched. Like you say, sometime down the road, I think it’ll happen.

Peace
Ty

http://thelionsinwinter.blogspot.com

by ty@thelionsinwinter on Jul 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with you

He’s really picked up the position well. He still has to learn when to go for a ball and when to return to the bag. But that’ll come with continued experience. Gold glove a couple years down the line just might be possible. He’s more athletic most people think, I suspect.

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Maggs

I can’t see any reason to think he can help this club. Continuing to run him out there only gets them more GIDPs and closer to the $18 million option. Call up Clete, and send Magglio away. I hate to even type that, but I feel it’s time to move on and protect against next season’s payroll.

http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com

by BigJP on Jul 2, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

We should do our best to unload him on someone like the Mets or Braves (though the Braves would probably want money), but if all else falis, he gets cut. I’d say give him until the ASB to heat up or he’s out.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 2, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to think

that someone would give us a C level prospect for him via trade if we picked up his entire contract in the deal. At this point we will be stuck with that anyway if we cut him, so why not just be willing to pay for him in order to get away from that expensive option. Another team may be willing to trade for him to make sure he ends up with them and doesn’t sign with any of their competitors, etc.

Just a thought.

by grozzy on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the thing

I don’t wanna pay jack- if we can give him away and avoid paying, I’d do it.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one will give us a nickle for Maggs

We could pay the entire contract and throw in a prospect or two in exchange for a box of napkins and opposing GM’s would still laugh.

Think about it – everyone else in the league sees what we see. His contract is poison and his power seems to have disappeared like Mark Sanford’s credibility.

If the Tigers are able to trade Magglio I’ll shave my head, with my feet.

www.eyeofthetigers.com

by jelletlambie on Jul 3, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saw The Hangover last night

It was funny, but not as funny as I heard…. I think I would have rather seen Public Enemies….

by MrPants20 on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As someone who has seen both(my only 2 theater adventures so far this year)

they are both worth seeing.Public Enemies is one of the best movies I have seen in a while. I didn’t have the highest hopes for it, so maybe that helped, but it was worth 10 dollars. The Hagover, is worth seeing, but I had my expectations waaaaay to high, so it was a bit of a let down. It honestly depends on what kind of movie you prefer. If Depp/Bale will make you expect The Godfather I/II, give it a few weeks. If you can’t wait for the next Will Ferrell movie, The Hangover is your thing.

I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet

by YakAttack on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Movie suggestions

Sorry… I’m a buff

First on everyone’s list should be Up- I won’t go too much into a Pixar fanboy rant, but it’s a fantastic movie with a moving and hilarious story that just happens to be animated.

The Hangover was pretty good- incredibly crude humor, but good for a lot of laughs. A great movie to go see in a theater, if only to experience the reactions of fellow movie-goers.

Transformers- It’s giant fighting robots with a ton of explosions and Megan Fox. Even though I think Fox can be downright unlikeable at points, who can legitimately argue with giant fighting robots and a ton of explosions? Just don’t expect much.

Oh, don’t go see Year One if you haven’t already. It’s kinda boring and juvenile.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 2, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I finally saw Up last weekend, and loved it. I probably related a little too much to Russell.

A buddy of mine mentioned a plot point that defies logic (one I’m glad he didn’t share with me before I saw the movie), but when you’re talking about a story with a house pulled into the air by thousands of ballooons, maybe you can check your cynicism at the door.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 2, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plot that defies logic?

It’s a cartoon. And it made more sense than Terminator, Star Trek and Transformers.

Sorry… defensive reaction… I’m a Pixar fanboy.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 3, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plot POINT that defies logic

I don’t want to spoil anything for those who haven’t seen it, but it involves the villain’s motivations.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 3, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Like, seriously?

That’s the most believable thing in the movie. It’s almost cliched…

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again... I don't want to spoil anything

But something else the villain does in the movie far surpasses what he’s actually after.

Was that vague enough?

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of each

Regarding hotdogs and hamburgers, why make the choice at all? Have some of both!

Ooooohhhh, books ……

I love nonfiction (science and history), and some fiction – if it has spies and detectives in it, primarily. The book currently on top of my stack that I am actually reading right now is “Red Moon Rising: Sputnik and the Hidden Rivalries that Ignited the Space Age” by Mathew Brzezinski. So far it is excellent. :)

I could go on for ages about some of the books I’ve read, so I’d better stop for the moment at just the one before I start rambling about spy novels and historical mysteries and Central Asian history and genetics and natural disasters and space exploration and …

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jul 2, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been on a major nonfiction kick over the past couple of years (much to the chagrin of my dear friend, Ms. Hooz). It just feels like my mind can’t turn itself over to fiction right now, and a novel can’t hold my attention.

On the BYB reading stack is the new biography about Satchel Paige (which I’d like to review here), a book called “Watching What You Eat” about the history of cooking shows on TV, and… if I can get over the fiction hump, “Darkly Dreaming Dexter” to help me along until the next season of “Dexter” starts.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dexter?

What has he been up to. I’ve missed a few episodes. Love the show, though, right from the 1st season.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jul 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just finished Season 3

That show is solid. Excited for it to pick back up in September, I believe.

by TMadison25 on Jul 2, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, no start rambling

I’m a reader of spy fiction. Started off with the Clancies of the world, played around with the suspense novels like Rollins churns out, enjoyed a couple Ludlums, spent some time with Ian Fleming, found I have a major thing for John Le Carre, and recently read a Graham Greene and figure I’ll pick up a few more.

While the action/suspense spy novels are nice summer reading, I find I enjoy the more literature approach to them.

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never got into Le Carre

Read all the Clancy I could find for a while, loved Ludlum to death, now have shifted focus slightly to more police or detective novels in interesting historical times as well as spies.

Now I’ll have to rummage through my shelves to get the spelling of the authors right. Darn, I’ll smell like books in a little while! :)

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jul 2, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suggested non-ficitonif you like detectives

I just read the book, “No Angel: My Harrowing Undercover Journey to the Inner Circle of The Hells Angels.” by Jay Dobyns, who was an undercover BATF agent who infiltrated the Hells Angels. And also just read, “Under and Alone: The True Story of the Undercover Agent Who Infiltrated America’s Most Violent Outlaw Motorcycle Gang.” by William Queen, another BATF agent who infiltrated the Mongols, and actually became a full patch member. Both were excellent and suggested reading in my opinion.

Also, I was at work and needed to pass the time and was handed, “Pop Goes the Weasel.” by James Patterson. In a 12 hour shift I read 3/4s of this book, I could not put it down.

by jryno on Jul 3, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elijah Dukes will NEVER be a "good idea"!!!!

Whoa! No freaking way.

"A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people who take drugs treat them like a license to behave like an asshole. "

by Zappatista on Jul 2, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+10

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 2, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Current and recent reading:

I’m reading Shadow of Betrayal, by Brett Battles. (Technically it doesn’t come out until July 7, but the local book store passes on their advanced copies for free with hopes you’ll review them for a newsletter. It’s part of the “Cleaner” series. Pretty actiony. I’m say it’s like a Rollins so far.

Just finished up The Quiet American by Graham Greene, which I found to be excellent, then a bit dry, then amazing, then a bit dry, then pretty good.
I like his style, and it’s a book from 50 years ago that continues to comment about the United States’ foreign policy even today.

Read Michael Connelly’s latest, The Scarecrow. I felt like it had unrealized potential for what could have been a pretty good bad guy. But I enjoyed it because I used to write for a newspaper and he spent a lot of time discussing the downfall of the industry.

Awhile back I read The Tourist, by Olen Steinhauer. He’s compared to Le Carre but the book felt more like standard spy fiction/ Ludlum. It was pretty enjoyable, but fell short of its marketing. Still it’s on my commended list.

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Quiet American was an excellent movie, too. Michael Caine and Brendan Fraser were both very good.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you READ this very blog?

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jul 2, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

I was just teasing you. I kid because I care. :-)

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jul 2, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Music / Stones lovers

Under Their Thumb is a must read. About the person who did the Rolling Stone’s fanzine for years. Fanzines remind me of the early stages of blogging. But different.

Also recently finished (finally) Eric Clapton’s autobiography. A huge fan of Clapton… but not of the book.

www.tigergeist.com

by jb_sf on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more book-related stuff

my dad gave me “Wait Till Next Year” yesterday, the memoir by Doris Kearns Goodwin. I’m excited to start it.

by allikazoo on Jul 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good book

“Praying for Gil Hodges” is another good book (in fact, just a touch better IMO) about growing up as a Dodgers fan in the 1950s.

Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Jul 2, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only Revolutions

by Mark Danielwski is what I am starting to read. Anyone a fan of House of Leaves?

by TMadison25 on Jul 2, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Um...

I heard MZD read from House of Leaves in Chicago, and it was amazing. I have read OR twice—and each time it blows my mind.

by peazgrl on Jul 2, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Approach

Did you read it the same way each time? Would you recommend alternate reading 8 pages from each story?

by TMadison25 on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tigers2009

It is time to cut Mags loose. He will no longer help the team and the Bengals need to go with a younger player. They should play anderson and bring up either Thomas or Larish. Probably Thomas since he is an outfielder.

by bemshaswing on Jul 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I literally just finished reading Firefly Lane before I pulled this site up.

you boys probably won’t like it, but holy smokes it was good. I consider a book to be fantastic when I cry so much I can’t read the words on the pages anymore. Yep, I’m one of those—but is anyone honestly surprised by that? :)

by wepri31 on Jul 2, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else digusted

by the fact that “the best player to defect since Contreras” is like 99% sure to land in NY, Boston, or NY….. These international players really need to be drafted… pisses me off….

by MrPants20 on Jul 2, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am

the only time it seems to really come into play is with cuban defectors, though. And I guess when you consider that the White Sox signed a cuban last off season, maybe that trend is turning.

Having seen Chapman pitch in the WBC, I’d love to have him in the D. He needs to mature a bit, and his secondary stuff isn’t great, but the guy throws 100mph and he’s a lefty, so definately someone you’d want to work with.

http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com

by BigJP on Jul 2, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chapman was incredible in the WBC

I was quite impressed. So yeah, bound for Boston? Maybe the Angels? The Mets?

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs Trade?

Wondering if a trade with the SF Giants make sense for both clubs? Barry Zito for Maggs. Both have bad contracts and both are on the downside of their careers. The Giants need offense and the Tigers could use a lefty.

by Motown Philly on Jul 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Maggs provide Offense?

if so, Detroit should keep him. I doubt that any GM would make a trade for Maggs when they could pick him up for nothing in 2-3 weeks when he’s cut. Besides, Detroit could get out of Magglio contract for next year by releasing him before his option kicks in. There would be no getting out of the rest of Zito’s deal.

http://alwaysatiger.blogspot.com

by BigJP on Jul 2, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO

Not that it’s a horrible idea- on the surface it sounds good, but ask yourself this question: would you rather be burdened by Ordonez next year or Zito for the next 4?

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 2, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...

Maybe Zito getting back into the AL where he produced, is just what he needs. Just a thought.

by jryno on Jul 3, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just about to start Murakami's "South of the Border, West of the Sun"

Then I will continue to anticipate Coupland’s new novel: “Generation A”.

by 13194013 on Jul 2, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A few comments

Well, certainly as a vegetarian, I can’t really motion any direction toward hot dogs or hamburgers, as someone who dislikes crap, I would recommend against any Transformers film not involving Orson Welles, and as a reader, I implore everyone to read J.D. Salinger. Also, “Shoeless Joe,” the book Field of Dreams was based off of, is pretty interesting if only for comparison. Terrence Mann in the movie is Salinger in the book, just nice little tidbit.

But as far as Magglio is concerned, I could go into a few of the non-performance related things about him. He’s certainly one of the faces of the franchise, something Sheffield certainly was not (I bring Gary into the discussion since we’re arguing if the two deserve the same fate.) I don’t know about you guys, but from a morale standpoint, when the terrible ‘08 Tigers traded Rodriguez away, that really hurt me. I didn’t help to whom and for whom we traded him, but it hurt to see the guy (large paycheck notwithstanding) who said, “Yeah I just won a World Series, I’ll go play for one of the worst teams in the history of the game,” leave. Sure, there’s something to say for the fact that this is a baseball team and nostalgia’s great but it doesn’t win divisions, which is why I won’t dwell on the “franchise face” thing. There’s also the fact that as a reluctant Chicago resident, the majority of Tigers’ games I see are at U.S. Cellular Field and Ordonez still gets booed. We’re talking about a team that when one of their star players got injured in the field. I know what they offered him before his injury, but I don’t know what they offered him after. And that Magglio had the audacity to a) take a job with a division rival, a.k.a. the only people crazy enough to take a chance that a thirty-year-old coming off two major surgeries would stay a world-class hitter and b) take a season to get back to being a world class hitter. A lot of things about the White Sox and their fans I dislike, that they boo Ordonez is at the top of the list.

Wow, that was a lot of time on emotional reasons to keep Ordonez (or, at the very least, continue to give leeway to the guy that in his slump is still getting on base one out of every three times.) Are there any baseball reasons? None compelling. He’s slumping bad, sure. For older players to think that they’ll get better is a pipe dream. Is optimistically a pipe dream. I pointed to his OBP, but Raburn’s is better. So are all of Raburn’s other stats. And he’s younger. But if that pipe dream of a back-on-track Ordonez does come true, then that is the benefit. If he doesn’t, as it stands he isn’t exactly an out machine as it is and the team could stand to ride it out for a little while longer.

And I do have a serious question that, well, maybe we can know, maybe we can’t. But what serious discussion has there actually been about removing Ordonez either by releasing him or trading him or whatever? I see it all over these blogs, but never on things like ESPN.com or SI.com, and frankly when it comes to rumours they aren’t exactly picky with what they run. So, I don’t mind pleading ignorance on this one, is there any evidence the Tigers are actually discussing this?

Lastly, as far as Dukes is concerned, I don’t think the Tigers offence is their main concern (and I say that after watching those anemic games they just played in Houston, Oakland, and I will watch those most likely to be anemic games they play in Minnesota.) We’ve seen over the past few seasons the pitching really run out of steam the last two months, and that’s where their concern should be. Willis is gone, Figaro didn’t work out, we’ll see how Sammy Spanish does tomorrow, and is as much as I love Armando for being a bright spot in a bad 2008, I won’t exactly be relaxed for another few starts. No one picked the Tigers at the beginning of the season to do much because of the question marks on everyone in their pitching staff. They had, what, eight people competing for five spots, and no one had confidence in any of them. So far we have Jackson, Verlander, and Porcello have been dynamite, but those questions haven’t gone away. Pitching is the concern. If the Tigers pitching can remain as good as they’ve been, the offence can fake it. Of course if Dukes is available on the cheap, why not, right?

by JMonsoon on Jul 2, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the padres/astros game is delayed

due to a swarm of bees all over the bat boy’s chair. tee hee

by allikazoo on Jul 2, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my book club

Read these a couple months back, two thumbs up on both
“The Soul of Baseball” by Joe Posanski
One of the best sportswriters in the U.S. goes on tour with Negro Leaguer Buck O’Neil in a road trip/biography story
and
“Boys Will Be Boys” by Jeff Pearlman
Did know know Michael Irvin once stabbed a teammate in the neck with a pair of scissors?That and many other sordid details are revealed about the early 90s Dallas Cowboys in this book

NERD ALERT***
I’m currently reading “American Lion” by Jon Meachem
It’s about Andrew Jackson’s presidency and how it was the start of populist politics in America

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com

by rock n rye on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Soul of Baseball

Oh, man I loved that book. “Never walk by a woman in a red dress.”

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jul 2, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

Wasn’t that the Matrix?

http://thelionsinwinter.blogspot.com

by ty@thelionsinwinter on Jul 2, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Kurt...

Isn’t into Richard Ford….he should get into his books. Like yesterday. And yes with a drink. Prolly a gin and tonic in this case.

by Flying J on Jul 2, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I tried to read "The Sportswriter" when i was younger

and struggled to get into it. But that was like 10 years ago. Maybe I’ll give it another look.

I just remember reading some line saying people in Michigan leave the articles out of their sentences, like saying “I’m going to store” instead of “i’m going to the store” and thinking “I’ve never heard anyone do that in my life!”

by MackAveKurt on Jul 2, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello again from the beach

Our internet connection here has been as inconsistent as the Tigers’ offense, but I must admit I’m not really checking my emails all that often. We took a break from seafood tonight (Sunday – boiled shrimp, Monday – shrimp and feta over angel hair pasta, Tuesday — crab cakes, Wednesday — smoked grouper) and had hamburgers on the grill and they were damned tasty. Fireworks over the sound tomorrow evening, but I’ll be listening to the game, too.

As far as books are concerned, I would recommend The Road to Cooperstown, a wonderful book about fathers, sons and baseball.

by NCDee on Jul 2, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maggs isn't going anywhere.

Boras already has the grievance drafted, I’m sure. DD and Mr. I signed this contract. They are prepared to deal with it.

This team was built with the thought that Guillen and Ordonez would be productive. We’ve plugged the holes so far with some great contributions from the AAAA guys, but can that hold up the whole season?

Not trying to be downer. I live and die with this team. But we aren’t going to be able to rebuild in mid year. We can’t get Dunn or Holliday. Our best prospect is our third starter, and there’s a big dropoff from there.

I think we’re going to have to dance with the one(s) who brung us.

by rook34 on Jul 2, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very well written and persuasive

i agree.

by Motown'sFinest on Jul 2, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a list of some of the books I like

(It didn’t really take me all day to find the ones I wanted to mention, but I’ve been fighting a cold and allergies and have decided to blame my mental fuzziness on OTC medications.) :)

I own a literal butt-ton of books, most of which (but by no means all) I have actually read, so I pared it down to some of the ones that stuck in my mind the most and that I have actually read, instead of just reading the blurb and deciding that it sounded really good, but I haven’t gotten to it yet.

Sports books: These can be tricky because they are sometimes really sappy, sometimes as poorly written as a string of newspaper columns just stapled together in a pamphlet, and sometimes just dreadfully purple, but here are a few I actually like:

“Your Brain on Cubs: Inside the Heads of Players and Fans” edited by Dan Gordon
This book looks at fandom through the lens of neuroscience and what in a fans brain makes them actually think that curses are real. The good thing is that it shows that there are actual scientific reasons for the rush and depression that fans feel about their teams – the bad thing is that sports might actually make us insane. :)

“When Chicago Ruled Baseball: The Cubs-White Sox World Series of 1906” by Bernard A. Weisberger
A fascinating picture of the city and the time as well as the games, with a lot of detail about how people lived at the time and how they looked at the series in the city of Chicago, and how much hype there was, despite the word not being invented yet. This is the series of Tinker to Evers to Chance and “Three-Finger” Brown, and for familiar names it’s remarkable to think of how long ago that was when they actually played.

“The Boys of Winter: The Untold Story of a Coach, a Dream, and the 1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey Team” by Wayne Coffey
Even though there has been so much written about that team and that moment, and so much of it on film, this is still a really worthwhile book because it focuses on the players and coaches involved, both Americans and Russians, and what happened in their lives to get them to that point and what happened to them after that game. The focus on the Russians is very interesting because so often they are portrayed as enigmatic robots (sometimes even modern Russian hockey players), and they were just as emotional and human as their opponents. One of them spoke about watching the Americans celebrate after they won that he was happy for them, because the Russian team never got to feel like that when they won, since it was expected. Seriously, not only a great story, but very good writing as well.

Fiction: I like police and detective novels set in more unusual settings, and spy novels as well. Some series that I like a lot:

Lindsey Davis, the Marcus Didius Falco novels (first in the series is “The Silver Pigs”)
These are very typical hard-boiled detective novels, with dangerous broads, difficult relatives, official conspiracies, and hostile politicians – but it is set in Rome and the far-flung empire in the time of Vespasian. Well written and extremely funny, with a wonderful cast of characters.

Barbara Hambly, the Benjamin January novels (first in the series is “A Free Man of Color”)
Less funny, more troubled, these stories are set in New Orleans in the 1830’s and the main character is a physician trained in France and talented pianist and piano teacher, a free black man born of a slave father. The social setting is fascinating, not just the interplay between the races but also the interaction between the French and Americans, with one of the main characters being New Orleans itself. Very good murder mysteries.

Stuart M. Kaminsky, the Inspector Porfiry Rostnikov novels (one of my favorites is “The Dog Who Bit a Policeman”)
These books are set in Russia and the best part of it is the characters. They are such unusual characters, very original, and not the kind of stereotypes that you might expect. Very well written books and engaging stories. These are less murder mysteries than police procedurals, so the structure is a little different than an intelligent amateur sleuth; they have to deal with the police bureaucracy and the politics that go along with it, and that can make investigating crimes tricky if the suspect is powerful and connected.

Adam Hall (pen name of Elleston Trevor), his Quiller spy novels (favorites: “Quiller KGB” and “Quiller Bamboo”)
I hesitate to recommend these because they are written in a style that isn’t for everyone, although I love it. You don’t really see the main character from the outside at all, but everything is from inside his own head. By far the most annoying (in a very good way) thing the author does is transition between scenes. Quiller will be in an impossible situation, and he will be thinking to himself that there is no way out, and then the next chapter starts and he will be talking on the phone and details about the environment will come out one by one as he thinks of them, and you have to wait until he gets around to recapping what happened in his own mind before you figure it out yourself. It’s hard to explain, and probably most people wouldn’t take to it, but I love his novels.

Nonfiction: I have to just mention a few. I read a ton of history and science books, but not everyone is enough of a nerd to enjoy that kind of stuff, but these are some really good ones.

“Trespassers on the Roof of the World: The Secret Exploration of Tibet” by Peter Hopkirk
The same author has written several books about the same region and the Great Game that went on between some combination of the Russians, British, Soviets, Chinese, and Americans in Central Asia. Excellently researched history, but it reads like the most exciting of adventure novels.

“Locust: The Devastating Rise and Mysterious Disappearance of the Insect that Shaped the American Frontier” by Jeffrey A. Lockwood
Locusts used to plague the American West and were seen as a major impediment to settlement, as they still inflict so much misery in other areas of the world, and then they suddenly vanished. This is a wonderful story of how the plagues of locusts impacted American history as well as started the modern science of entomology.

“A Perfect Red: Empire, Espionage, and the Quest for the Color of Desire” by Amy Butler Greenfield
I did not think this book would be nearly as interesting as it was. It covers a lot of ground starting with the social use of color and the importance of the technology of dyes in the Renaissance, and how culturally important red was as a color because it was so tricky to make, and then the story of the Spanish importing cochineal, a brilliant red pigment, from the new world and how other nations tried to figure out what the dye actually came from and where the source of it was. Producing dyes was the high technology of the Renaissance and the masters closely guarded their secrets against industrial espionage. It’s an interesting look at something that is so readily available in the modern world to everyone – brightly colored fabric – that it no longer counts as a status symbol.

“The Beak of the Finch” by Jonathan Weiner
“At the Water’s Edge: Macroevolution and the Transformation of Life” by Carl Zimmer
I grouped these books together because I think anyone teaching a science class at the high school level could do worse than making these two books required reading instead of a standard biology text, because they do one of the best jobs of explaining the concepts of evolution so any moderately intelligent person can understand that I’ve ever read. “Finch” focuses on microevolution, the outwardly invisible changes in the genome from one generation to the next, not just in the finches of the Galapagos but also in the plants they eat and how the gene frequencies changed with changes in environmental factors, and in crops, antibiotic resistance to disease, and other examples that most people are fairly familiar with. “Water’s Edge” is more of a historical view and covers the two greatest alterations in animal life in evolutionary history; the transition from water to land as fish learned to walk and eventually broke all dependence on the water as a living space, and the lesser known transition back, as a land predator evolved from hunting and scavenging along the beach to resuming an exclusively aquatic existance and breaking all contact with the land and living in the water full time as modern whales. Fabulous books, and they do a fantastic job of showing the sweep of evolution and the power of the idea in explaining how the life we see around us got to be the way it is. The most remarkable thing about evolution is that once you understand it (and it really isn’t that hard, because the concepts are intuitively logical) you can see it everywhere, and so much biology that seemed disconnected becomes part of an interconnected whole.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you that I might love books a little too much! :-)

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I pray you copy-pasta'd this and didn't type it word-for-word

"Trespassers on the Roof of the World: The Secret Exploration of Tibet" by Peter Hopkirk
The same author has written several books about the same region and the Great Game that went on between some combination of the Russians, British, Soviets, Chinese, and Americans in Central Asia. Excellently researched history, but it reads like the most exciting of adventure novels."

This sounds pretty interesting though.

Books I like: The Kite Runner (great), Time Bandit (written by the Alaskan fisherman guys…poorly written but entertaining), Angels & Demons, most stuff by Stephen King, 1776 (highly recommend it; 1st chapter is slow but it’s great after that)

by Tagne13 on Jul 2, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid fiction baseball book.

“The Entitled: A Tale of Modern Baseball” by Frank Deford

Just happened to see it on the desk at work and had nothing better to do, so I picked it up and started reading it. Was pretty good. I don’t read much and couldn’t put this one down nor the 2 BATF books I mentioned earlier.

Other books I’ve read that I suggest and am surprised I haven’t seen this author mentioned is Nelson Demille.

The Generals Daughter (much better than the movie)
Plum Island
The Gold Coast
Spencerville
WIld Fire

Those are just a few of his that I have read and really enjoyed.

Also, Louis L’Amour, classic westerns, which helped pass many an hour while I was in the Navy and underway.

by jryno on Jul 3, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the book thread...

since I teach literature and writing courses. Right now I’m reading /Distant Star/ by Roberto Bolaño. Perhaps my favorite writer is David Foster Wallace (still crushed by his suicide last year). I love his fiction and find his non-fiction to be especially superb. Love Salinger, too.
Two baseball related books that I want to read but haven’t yet are /Ball Four/ by Jim Bouton and /The Great American Novel/ by Philip Roth. Any one read (either or both) of these?

by BarbaroGarbeyc1984 on Jul 3, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have Ball Four

next to my chair waiting for me to pick it up.

"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti

by densogirl on Jul 3, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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