Incon-seay-vable: Mariners 2, Tigers 1
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT
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This photo is actually from last night's game, but I don't think anyone would argue that it applies painfully well to tonight's outcome.
Armando Galarraga threw quite possibly his best game of the season (certainly the best he's looked since April), allowing just one hit into the eighth inning. But then Bobby Seay had to hang a slider out over the plate for Russell Branyan to launch into the right-field seats. Crushing.
Of course, we can cue the familiar sad song of a Tigers lineup that could score only one run. Granted, Felix Hernandez has done that to plenty of teams. But Detroit had a chance to tag some runs on King Felix in the first inning with two runners on and no outs. But two straight strikeouts and a shallow fly-out squandered yet another early scoring opportunity.
Between that limp offense and a reliever who's given up two runs in his last 2.1 innings, a night in which Galarraga out-pitched one of the best starters in the American League was completely wasted.
Whimper:
Was this the figurative final nail in the coffin for Josh Anderson's Tigers career? No one blew more chances to drive runners home tonight. Twice, he came up with multiple runners on, and failed to get a hit. For the night, he went 0-for-4 and left five runners on base.
We know Anderson is out of minor league options. How about taking the risk (and how much of one can it possibly be at this point) that no other team is going to claim a speedster who can't use his speed because his OBP is .282. And once Anderson clears waivers, send him to the minors, and give his at-bats to someone who can make more of a contribution.
Comment of the Night:
Armando just told EJ and JV:
Algunos no necesitan "run support"
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That means I can use my favorite (bad) Bobby Seay pun for my title.
But really, how much of it was offense? A one-run game is a one-run game. The score may be 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 5-4, 9-8, or 16-15. In any of those scenarios, Bobby Seay can’t be giving up 2-run homers. Nobody here would be complaining about the offense had the score been 9-8 when Russell Branyan hit the two-run homer.
(Now, if the Tigers had only scored one run against Garrett Olson, THAT would be a problem).
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Nobody here would be complaining about the offense had the score been 9-8 when Russell Branyan hit the two-run homer.
Great point. The bullpen’s job is to protect a lead.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 23, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
nobody's be complaining about the snow if it was 90 out
but the Tigers lose 2-1 three times in four games, you complain about the offense, not the pitching.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Seay
has done an excellent job all year. Last night he gave up a homer and again tonight (a 2 run homer). You could see the frustration in his face, probably because he knew cost Armando the win and just giving up the run in general. I cannot hold this against him. He is one of the best our bullpen has to offer. I felt bad for him and most especially for Armando, because you could see in his pitches tonight he’d clearly been working on his game. Kudos to Armando who gets an A for his effort.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
As for me...
I am thrilled to see my faith in Armando Galarraga finally rewarded over these past few starts (Cleveland notwithstanding). Hopefully he can pitch just as well against the Texas Rangers, if not better. And I don’t think any less of Bobby Seay. He’s been dynamite all year. He just hung a slider at a most inconvenient time to the wrong hitter. That doesn’t make him any less important or effective, as long as he gets right back up on the horse and goes back to doing what he had been doing prior to this series.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
In case you missed it...
In his first game with the Mud Hens, Carlos Guillen went 1-for-3 with a single, two walks, and a strikeout. Toledo lost to Syracuse 3-2. The Mud Hens had twelve hits (including five doubles), but only scored two runs. For the game, they left 12 men on base and went 2-for-10 with RISP.
That, my friends, is squandering.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 22, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
yup, they will fit right in with the big leaguers
by VegasTigers on Jul 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Detroit Tigers Baseball
Squandering is a fundamental part of our organization from top to bottom. We aren’t satisfied until we strand everyone!
Trust me
The Mud Hens do it ALL THE TIME. At least the Tigers are generally efficient at driving in runs when they’re at home.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Best comment of the year
“We aren’t satisfied until we strand everyone!” LMAO. That should be the team’s new motto.
by PistonsWin04 on Jul 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
he probably could have done a better than Josh, that’s for sure.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But...who would he have used?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
With who?
Magglio or Everett? Magglio platoons now because he can’t hit righties, right? And Everett is the slow, righty, version of Anderson. Fact of the matter is, Anderson was a lefty bat, and was already 0-3, so if you want to get technical he should somehow get on base given his .282 OBP. Then you’d want his speed on the bases to try and steal and get into scoring position….all so he can get squandered when Inge K’s on 3 pitches. I don’t think there was a better option at that point than Anderson, sadly.
Motown String Music- SB Nation's Detroit Pistons Blog
I know, I know, we have NO bench
BTW, where is Dusty Ryan???
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Catching relievers in the bullpen?
I would assume he would catch maybe tomorrow, and definitely one of the games in the doubleheader (probably the second, since Bonine is “easier” to catch than Verlander).
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that too earlier tonight. I saw him the other day just hanging around the dugout.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Magglio
could not have done any worse than Josh.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasspot on last night
for what he did last night I am willing to give him a pass, well…. forever. lol
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Use the Speed
I was thinking the same thing while following the game, but then I saw the bench options and realized that none of the other guys might have been a better choice. However, knowing this, at least call for Anderson to try to bunt for a hit. I normally tend to side with the sabermetric crowd who thinks that bunting is a waste of an out normally, but when a guy can’t buy a hit but has great wheels you at least have him put the ball in play and try to maximize his best asset. I can’t remember where I read it right now, but since we’re hitting and playing like a small-ball team, we have to embrace small ball fully right now until the bats get going. You are who you are, so make the most of it a la the Twins and Angels.
by VATigersFan on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the "platoon" thing, but come on
The guy hit a grand slam last night, you think maybe a tiny confidence booster???
100% agreed. Magglio >>In my book always #1
I know I’ll catch flack for it but I don’t care….Tonight in the dugout, he was chatting up a storm and seemed to be enjoying himself for a change. Well, There’s a lefty on the mound tomorrow so he will be in the lineup
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
I still like Magglio, too. A bad season’s not gonna change that.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
damn day games, and I have a web conference at game time
will have to catch the mlb.tv replay
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't be jealous
but I am going tomorrow. So excited. I can’t sleep. I get like a 10 yr old before every game I go to.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel it too.
I was there when hit hit big off of Lilly. He knows we love him, he’ll do it.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
me too, what a game
That horrible baserunning mistake by Soriano brought us back to life in that game.
by PistonsWin04 on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It was so FN hot
but I would stand on hot coals to watch these guys play.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it was brutal
it was great when that wind came in, and nice that the rain held off long enough for Rodney to get the save.
by PistonsWin04 on Jul 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
we got snowed out once, for my birthday, April 24 2005
last year in Michigan before my move out west
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
My birthday's August 3rd
…so I’d only have to worry about heat and rain (though we’re going to the August 15th game this year). The Tigers always seem to lose on my birthday, though.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
mine's August 2nd
And we are at Cleveland so I like my chances. For yours we have Baltimore at home, I like your chances as well.
by PistonsWin04 on Jul 23, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao…. it was the first thing that cam into my head
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably be watching on MLB.tv right now...
…but here in Toledo we get FS Ohio, so I’d be blacked out of this game and I prefer Vin Scully to the Reds broadcasters (although they aren’t all that bad).
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
For me Manny and A-Roid
are in the same category…. Loathing
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
I agree, but oh well, out here I'm lucky I get the Dodgers on locally
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Dodgers
I like. Great team. Probably the best in the leagues. But Manny. They seemed to do just fine without him, ya know?
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 23, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes and I like that Juan Pierre,
We could use him in left….Call DD
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not necessarily about steroids with me...
I just get tired of hearing about A-Rod, and I don’t like Manny because he acts like an idiot (though I do like the rest of the Dodgers).
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 23, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
We used to have the Dodgers AAA here in Vegas
I watched Matt Kemp and James Loney here at the 51s
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But, if you could be an idiot and get paid that money?
and have people loving it?? Hey, why not!!!
by VegasTigers on Jul 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To the tune of the National Anthem
oh seay can you lose
I know his approval ratings are in the toilet right now...
But I came across this in Jason Beck’s article about Zumaya:
Zumaya said he started feeling soreness in his shoulder about four weeks ago, but didn’t think much of it. It wasn’t major, and he was still able to fire fastballs around 100 mph.
You know, four weeks ago is around the time he started to really struggle. What a coincidence.
Don’t pitch hurt.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
scoring question
The box scores I saw last night charged one run to Armando. But the runner he allowed (Hannahan) was thrown out at third when Ichiro reached on a FC. Seay was pitching. Doesn’t that mean that Armando’s runner was eliminated? Does he have to take on Ichiro because it was a fielder’s choice?
I should have done a little fact verification before I posted this, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it went. Does anyone know why Armando would get that run even though the guy who scored it reached base after he left the game?
I ran into this myself earlier and found the rule
If Pitcher A allows a runner, and Pitcher B replaces that runner through a fielders choice, then the new runner still belongs to Pitcher A.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Interesting rule. One more reason bullpen ERAs are deceiving, I guess.
Its not Seays Fault.....
….The offense scored one run…..Let me repeat one run……Unacceptable against any pitcher…..Doesnt matter whose throwing…..bats gota wake up!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
But as Erin said
What if it was a 9-8 ballgame? Doesn’t Seay or any other reliever have to protect that one-run lead?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I just can't blame a pitching staff for giving up two runs consistently
that’s nothing short of doing a great job on a nightly basis.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 23, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
The offense needs to allow the pitching staff to make a mistake occasionally, rather than force perfection 100% of the time. Erin makes a good point, but if we bring guys home from third with less than two out, the homer is mitigated last night and probably against the Yanks as well.
by VATigersFan on Jul 23, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Plate Discipline
Right now, with runners in scoring position, there is no need to throw Cabrera a strike, he is swinging at balls, giving himself out. Month of July, batting with RISP, 1-13, 3W, 1RBI. .250 OBP, .076 SLG, .076 AVG.
Do we have a hitting coach? Please tell Cabrera to take his walks.
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