Who Could the Pirates and Tigers Be Talking Trade About?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
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According to MLB.com beat writer Jen Langosch, the Pittsburgh Pirates have been scouting the Tigers "every day since last Tuesday." Larry Corrigan, a special assistant to Pirates GM Neal Huntington, apparently extended his stay in Detroit through this weekend's series to get an extra long look at any player that could be part of a potential deal.
Who would the Tigers be interested in from the Pirates? I know, you're worried about Jack Wilson, right? Langosch speculates that Freddy Sanchez might be someone Detroit is looking at. He'd certainly help the lineup, batting .296/.334/.442, though he's been slumping lately. But Sanchez could also fill in at third base, shortstop, or second base. (He hasn't played anywhere but second since 2007, but put in a lot of time at third in the two seasons before that.)
Other possibilities would include Zach Duke, who could give the starting rotation a much needed left-hander. (No offense, Luke French.) He's 9-9 this season with a 3.42 ERA. (Peter Gammons says the Pirates are looking for a "gaggle of prospects" in return, though.) Either John Grabow and Matt Capps would provide bullpen help, as well. Grabow is 3-0 with a 3.65 ERA and 39 strikeouts in 44.1 innings. Capps has 20 saves with 26 strikeouts in 33 innings, but his ERA is 6.00.
The Post-Gazette's Dejan Kovacevic also mentions that the Tigers have shown interest in catcher Robinzon Diaz, who's currently playing in Triple-A but was with the Pirates through all of May and June. In the majors, he batted .295/.314/.375 with one homer and 18 RBIs.
Ian Snell or Tom Gorzelanny could also be available, though both pitchers are now in Triple-A. (And if they were that bad in the National League, how would they perform in the AL?) Snell is 2-0 with a 0.96 ERA with Indianapolis, while Gorzelanny is 4-3 with a 2.46 ERA.
So which names pique your curiosity? Or is there someone else on the Pirates' roster that might not have been mentioned? (Garrett Jones is hitting .345/.396/.798 with 10 homers. Or does he have "sell high" written all over him?)
(via MLB Trade Rumors and MLB Daily Dish)
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We all know it's Wilson, right?
I mean JPM can’t leave him alone (wink, wink). Snell has been lights out for the Indianapolis Indians, but give me Duke. Again, they will want the farm and we all know there isn’t much to get……
"Stupidity has a certain charm - ignorance does not"
by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grabow or Capps
make the most sense, although Diaz could serve as the backup catcher allowing Dusty Ryan to return to everyday duties in Toledo. Nice work Ian.
by jelletlambie on Jul 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DOUMIT!!!!!!!
But really, probably Jack Wilson for like the 8th year in a row.
by Tagne13 on Jul 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Lucas French has been nothing but great as a 5TH STARTER since he came up
no SP’s not named Halladay, please
by Tagne13 on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+5
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Garrett Jones is so hot right now...
by Dan Gurney on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I had any say I'd pass on Wilson
and i am iffy about Sanchez
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
However
I just read in the Freep Dombrowski feels that $$$ is an issue. But I thought the great and powerful Mr. Mike said he would “do whatever it takes”. Lots of contradictions in these statements. Like I keep saying we’ll all know soon enough.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$10 says we make no trades, and do nothing
until possibly the waiver trade period
by Tagne13 on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I have heard some people say thaT Guillen is being thouhgt of as our mid-season acquisition. We could you some back up. We have pressing needs in LF,RF, SS and 3rd if Inge doesn’t handle his business and get that knee taken care of. I have a bad feeling he’s going to end up on the DL and then we’ll be really fkd…
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hve agreed with you.....
….however we now need a third baseman as Inge is truly hurting and right now is becoming a liability at the plate….he winces everytime he swings.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rumbunter speculates...
that scott sizemore would be the one to go in the deal IF any deal goes down with the bucs. Polanco can only hope…
by peazgrl on Jul 27, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez.....And he will play 3rd.....
…..Becasue inge is hurting the team more then helping by playing with this injury
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro
would be a big help at 3rd too. I am not liking what i have read about Sanchez. His numbers look just like Maggio’s. Not an improvement at all. If we pick up some one they need to be on it, not struggling.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like that
I’d also like Ian Snell.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 27, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snell's
Whip is 1.62 for 2009 and 1.52 overall (career) Any pitcher who has a whip under 2.0 is ok in my book. Lower is better. 1.0 or under, obviously, but i’ll take his whip and his 576 career strike outs. That’s not bad either.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also meant to say
if we do acquire anyone, mostlike they will come from the Pirates. They were here “scouting” for the better part of this last home stand….hhmmm
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHIP
League average for WHIP for all pitchers is 1.38, so 1.62 is not good. In fact , that’s worse than any current Tiger pitcher except for Miner (1.67).
by ddpg4 on Jul 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got my information from this reference, posted at the bottom of my comment.
I wouldn’t say Snell’s WHIP is bad, but just a little above the league average. You are comparing him to pitchers on our current roster, I am comparing him overall. Willis is working out in triple A and is most likely going to return soon as is the same with Nate. With those things being relative, I would take Snell’s WHIP and strike-out record any day over what some of our other pitchers have to offer. i.e., Willis or Robertson. They will be back before the end of the season, count on it. Tigers are not going to spend that kind of money on pitching and let it sit idle. They will try to recoup their dollars, if it’s at all possible. So that being said, I’ll take Snell.
MLB Median – 1.36 WHIP
MLB Avg- 1.41 WHIP
NL Avg – 1.37 WHIP
AL Avg – 1.45 WHIP
http://www.ultimatecapper.com/baseball-whip.htm
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by Detroitchik on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His WHIP is bad, trust me
anything under 1.40 is okay, under 1.30 is pretty good, under 1.20 is fantastic
those league averages probably take into account relievers too, so they’re a little skewed I’d guess
Even then, if the average is 1.41, 1.62 is extremely high. It’s not like ERA or even batting averages where .10 is pretty negligible…if you’re looking at WHIP .10 is actually a pretty considerable amount. It’s just one stat so you cannot put all the stock into that, but his is pretty high.
by Tagne13 on Jul 28, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Duke
put together with Luke French … Duke and Luke.
Yeahhh….
by Kmann on Jul 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet
by YakAttack on Jul 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
shake n bake…. bzzzz
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bo and Luke Duke...
Dukes of Hazzard-kind of a stretch
by Dan Gurney on Jul 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonderman in September?
Don't drive angry!
by Dan Gurney on Jul 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Mario and Rod PLease NEVER leave us again
Sincerely,
Everyone
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are some...
…That peak my interest as Duke would be a nice compliment to our rotation. He could take some of those innings from the young starters as Leyland is probably going to do later in the season anyways. I also wouldn’t mind seeing Wilson coming over as Everett has been a liability at the plate. We could also use the bullpen help but I’m not so sure we have the pieces to get them. If I had to choose one I would go with Wilson as we need a bat more than anything.
"Sometimes life deals you lemons, I say make lemonade with them."
by CPLkilla13 on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilson wouldn't be a liability at the plate?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Looking at both of their stats next to each other Wilson has a slightly better Avg. at .265 compared to Everett’s .248 and Wilson only has 2 more home runs and 3 more RBI than Everett. But for some reason I see something in him and it makes me think that he is going to be a good hitter in the near future and he is one of the better defensive SS in the game today.
"Sometimes life deals you lemons, I say make lemonade with them."
by CPLkilla13 on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke has one-hit-wonder written all over him
If you can consider him a ‘wonder’
by Tagne13 on Jul 27, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade buzz...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9858776/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Monday’s-edition
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by Dan Gurney on Jul 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love Ian Snell. He’s not back in Pittsburgh because he said he was depressed to the point of contemplating suicide and he told the Pirates they are better off not bringing him back up.
If he mentally is okay, I think he could take off and be as good as everyone thinks he should be.
by Mike Rogers on Jul 27, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring him here
We will cheer him right up. Detroit baseball fan are highly under-rated on a national level. But he would see how much we rally behind our guys and love us.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In non-Pirate land
Anyone else think Justin Duchscherer would be a good pickup from the A’s?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 27, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inge is killing the team right now
Sanchez would be a great addition at third and could take Polanco’s spot at #2 hitter, moving Polanco to maybe 6th or 7th.
http://lifeondumars.com/
by wennington on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Binge
is playing injured. Always bad. He will eventually go on the DL because of the pain. This I would almost guarantee. He said there had better be a bone sticking out of his leg before he rests it. Bad move, it’s not beneficial to him or to the team. since he got back from the allstar break he looks like he’s swatting at flies (of the household nature) and swings at every pitch that comes his way. I want Pre-Allstar Break Brandon back, NOW.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need another 3B
Rolen for junk?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 27, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I am misunderstanding
Are you saying that Binge is junk? I mean, It wouldn’t offend me, I am just curious.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 27, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I mean we trade junk (org filler, a contract) to the Jays for Scott Rolen.
Still wondering if we can get Alex Rios (the Jays want to dump his salary, even though the contract is okay) for like Maggs and a B prospect. They save money longterm and we do. Probably wishful fan-based thinking.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably...
But, I like the idea of it. I’d love to see Rios in RF, throw in Rolen as depth to give Inge a break to heel. Also, Zack Duke would look really good in the Olde English D. And like someone mentioned, he could eat up the innings that Porcello and French would pitch.
Come on DD make this happen.
by jryno on Jul 29, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His injury is
obviously hampering him a little in the field as well. Moves gingerly at times. Sit him down till Sept 1st, hopefully the knee will be better by then.
http://lifeondumars.com/
by wennington on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Binge-ury
I agree with your main point. Not to be picky though, which obviously I’m about to do, this isn’t actually happening: " and swings at every pitch that comes his way."
The average pitches Inge has seen per plate appearance in 2009 is 4.11. The number of pitches per plate appearance for Inge since the All-Star break: 4.11. He has in fact been swinging at pitches almost exactly as often after his injury as before. The results of the swings…obviously a different story.
And 4.11 is the highest average on the team, in fact I think Inge has been highest from Game 1 on.
I mention this partly because I don’t think Inge and Granderson have gotten the credit they should for being an overmatched 2-man army in the pitch count war.
And also, I realize you could “picky” me back and point out that you said it LOOKS like Inge is swinging at everything, which can’t be refuted. And it has looked a bit that way to me at times in fact, which is what made me curious enough to look up the numbers.
by ColemanOld on Jul 28, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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