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Lunchtime Prowl: Areas of Need, Pitching Instead of Hitting, Second Base Defense, and Detroit's Available Prospects

  So how would you rank the Tigers' needs, with the trade deadline three days away?  I was chatting with a buddy of mine yesterday, and he saw it as "1A) Batter and 1B) Pitcher."  I see it a bit differently, with a bat - especially an outfield bat - is solidly the top need.

Anyway, Mack Avenue Tigers looks at the Tigers' holes more closely, breaking down the areas of need by position.  It's a long list, which makes you wonder how this team is in first place.

  Danny Knobler might agree with my friend Rob, however, as he reports that Detroit might be more focused on adding a starting pitcher, now that Carlos Guillen has returned. 

That's not quite what Dave Dombrowski told Jason Beck, however.  And FOXSports.com says the Tigers' GM has "remained aggressive" in pursuing a hitter.

  If the Pirates' Freddy Sanchez is one of the players the Tigers are looking at to fill in for Brandon Inge at third base, they might have to consider that Sanchez is fighting his own knee injury right now.

  John Lowe's report in today's Freep, however, says that getting a back-up catcher and reliever might be higher priorities.  And as we mentioned yesterday, the Pirates have both to offer. 

  Also yesterday, Richard Durrett answered a few questions for us about the Texas Rangers.  He quizzed me about the Tigers, as well, which you can read here.

Star-divide

  At ESPN's Page 2, David Schoenfeld ranked 15 players who have the worst trade value, based primarily on their over-inflated contracts and less than impressive production.  Do you think any Detroit Tigers might be on the list?

  Baseball Digest Daily takes a look at the best defenders in each league this season, using Fangraphs' UZR/150 metric.  Check out who's the best in the American League at second base. 

  Who exactly might the Tigers give up in any deadline deal?  Eye of the Tigers lists 10 prospects, some of whom you may not have heard of, that could go the other way in exchange for any help Detroit picks up.

  USA Today has an interesting article about how the increased flurry of trade rumors in the internet age has changed the job of general managers and the reporters who cover them.  (At least no one directly blamed blogs.)

  Baseball Digest Daily also put together a list of minor league pitchers aged 30-or-over who might be deserving of a shot in the majors this season.  One of the players mentioned is Nate Bump, who's 3-0 with a 2.22 ERA in four starts for Toledo.

  Finally, if you're just dying to teach your kid how to throw a curveball, two new studies show that snapping off a curve at a young age might not damage their arms, after all.

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David Schoenfeld ranked 15 players who have the worst trade value...WOW

I was so stunned, I had to read the list not once or twice but three times tihnking I overlooked Magglio’s name. I was shocked and somewhat pleased to not find it on there. Interesting.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I would agree with you

wholeheartedly, Kurt. But when i see articles like that, you must realize there is only one name I am looking for. lol

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we got 4 players at #10

From the article “Total payment increases $500,000 if Willis or Robertson win the Cy Young Award next season.”

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

And I’ve been looking At Nate Bump myself lately, trying to find us a pitcher in the system already. He’s no Kid, but he may have some good innings left in him. I’d like to see him called up just for his name’s sake.

by NCDee on Jul 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario would definitely have fun with that one. “Bump on the bump tonight!”

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only move id like to see is.....

…..trading for a backup catcher and a pitcher…..Also why not trade are top 5 prospects for Halladay?……Considering everyone has said that the tigs top prospects arent that good…..id do it i a heartbeat……No way we lose any series with Halladay, JV then Ej……No way

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

the Tigers just lost a series in which EJ and JV pitched well

Halladay won’t help with scoring runs. I think those 5 prospects would be better used bringing in a bat and a middle rotation guy

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com

by rock n rye on Jul 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree....

….Halladay and Scutaro for those 5 prospects…..how bout that?

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not good enough

Our best prospects are Casey Crosby, Ryan Perry and Scott Sizemore- Crosby is probably top-100 at the end of the season, but Sizemore and Perry aren’t.

We’d be better off pursuing players with issues- i.e. large contracts or risks. What I’d do (which is clearly what the Tigers won’t)
1. Alex Rios and Scott Rolen for Cale Iorg or Wilkin Ramirez (might not take that much if the Jays view them as a pure salary dump). It would be damned expensive, but flags fly forever, and if Mr. Illich wants to add payroll… hell, I’d trade both Iorg and Ramirez if they’d take one of our contracts (Ordonez, anyone?).
2. Justin Duchscherer for a low grade prospect- he’s a righty, but he’s good and cheap. A health risk to be sure, but worth a shot.
3. Ian Snell for junk. Another really cheap righty that can turn it around. I see him as a Greinke like case (he won’t be as good as Zach, but he’s got potential if he can sort himself out mentally).

by David Tokarz on Jul 28, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it were that simple it'd be done by now

And while I like Scutaro, unless someone goes on the DL the Tigers will have 6 infielders. I would like to see a corner outfielder (Willingham tops the list) and a Jon Garland type pitcher. Some who isn’t flashy (and could be had cheap) but will give you 6-7 innings every 5th day.

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com

by rock n rye on Jul 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Meh, ESPN has lost a lot of credibility with me over the years

If I had my wish we’d trade for Scutaro and Willingham and maybe try to get a reliver through a waiver trade later on. Seems very reasonable and doable on all accounts.

Assuming Inge goes on the DL at some point:

1. Scutaro – 3B
2. Polanco – 2B
3. Granderson- CF
4. Cabrera – 1B
5. Willingham/Thames – LF
6. Guillen/Thames – DH
7. Ordonez/Thomas – RF
8. Laird – C
9. Everett – SS

Or put Scutaro at SS and have Inge bat ahead of Cletgglio and Laird.

by Tagne13 on Jul 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

@Cletagglio…I wish you has the inside connection to DD. Looks like a winner to me.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willingham would have been cheaper

BEFORE he hit those two back to back grand slams. But I would still love to have his bat in our line-up.

by NCDee on Jul 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you know they Tigers...

every year around the deadline they like to drag their asses and wind up not doing what they intended to….I feel like we could have easily matched the deal for Matt Holliday. What Oakland got certainly wasn’t earth-shattering. /end rant

by Tagne13 on Jul 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wanted Crosby and Sizemore

A potential ace and next year’s 2B for an OF that still can’t quite hack it in the better league. Not sure I would have done it- remember, Dombrowski and Chadd know arms, and they’re incredibly high on Crosby.

by David Tokarz on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently they don't know arms well enough...

because I’ve been waiting for a World Series Championship since I was two years old. Holliday was a potential large impact guy.

If Dombrowski’s keen eye for pitching is just going to wind up trading for Kyle Farnsworth for a 3rd time, I say EUUUUUUCH!!!

by Tagne13 on Jul 28, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Potential

You could easily make up what we would have gained for Holliday by acquiring other players for cheaper.

by David Tokarz on Jul 28, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And since that has failed to happen to this point

my point stands.

No, wait…you’re right actually. Matt Holliday is awful.

Go Ryan Raburn!

by Tagne13 on Jul 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psh

You’re being dismissive for no reason. If it stands this way on Friday, sure. But there are other players out there who could be just as good- Alex Rios, for instance, is worth one win less than Matt Holliday and would cost a whole lot less in prospects.

by David Tokarz on Jul 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my mind, a reliever is the last thing we need.

The bullpen isn’t blatantly costing us games like the offense is. If we have a lead, we have four solid pitchers in Ni, Seay, Lyon, and Rodney. Whatever we get out of Perry and Fien is a bonus.

by StringTheory on Jul 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Jul 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas field conditions

Anyone know what is up with the playing field conditions in Texas? That was the worse looking field I have seen in the major leagues.

by thecommish58 on Jul 30, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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