BYB Flash Poll: Magglio's Last Stand?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
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PrintA dark could seems to be following the Detroit Tigers around right now, and it's hovering over Magglio Ordonez. Since returning from his "indefinite" hiatus, Maggs is 5-for-28 at the plate (.179), which has dropped his season batting line to .260/.330/.333. He has three extra-base hits in his last 28 games. And he's about halfway to reaching the 570 plate appearances that would trigger the $18 million contract option for next season.
I can't speak for the fanbase entirely, but there's a prevailing feeling in the Tigers blogosphere (or as we like to call it, "Tigersosphere") that Maggs is approaching his final days in the Old English D.
With the All-Star break just over a week away, this weekend's series in Minnesota could be Ordonez's last stand if he doesn't make a respectable showing. (Or perhaps the team will hold off until after the next six-game homestand, which might give the fans a chance to cheer on Maggs and thank him for what he's done for the Tigers one last time.)
So what do you think will happen? What do you expect to see? Please vote in the attached poll, and offer any opinions you have on the matter (or elaborations on the two poll choices) in the comments.
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I don't know
I don’t know what will happen whether it be a trade or just cutting him. I don’t see anyone taking that contract especially if he will get the plate appearances to kick in his option. I also don’t want the Tigers carrying dead weight (i.e. Sheffields contract). I hope he stays until the homestand regardless. The fans deserve a chance to thank him for what he did for this franchise. I know I appreciate everything he has done especially that multi-HR game in the ALCS.
It's weird
How his numbers dropped off so quick, it would suck to cut him because he has been good to us but pick up his 18 million dollar contract if this is how he performs next year is worse. Sorry Maggs do you see them rabbits playing out there BOO HOO HOO HOO, do you see them,those rabbits. BANG!!!!!!
A tragic Tigers version of Old Yeller
I don’t want it to happen though. I want Magglio to turn things around.
Minnesota Fan here
Hi guys. Just wondering if someone could explain the meanming behind ‘Bless Our Boys.’ Most of the blog names are pretty self explanatory, but this one had me scratching my hear. Thanks and have a good series this weekend!
If Ozzie Guillen likes Punto that much, I vote we send him down to Chicago. Punto and Guillen deserve each other.
The meaning is posted in a few places but here it is again.
“Bless You Boys” was the catchphrase used by former Detroit sportscaster Al Ackerman when reporting a winning Tigers score.
I love the phrase being used as the name of the blog; makes it more special if you ask me.
It became the catch phrase assocatied with the 1984 tigers, Sparky Anderson used it for the title of his day by day diary/book of that magical season, etc.
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and, as is the case every time I think of that book….WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY THINKING CUTTING IT OFF AFTER THE TIGERS CLINCHED THE DIVISION???? You don’t think fans would want to hear about the rest of the season/ALCS/World Series? grumble, grumble….
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there’s a youtube video of the old bless you boys (commercial? it was before my time) on the right sidebar. (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrJDAnhgQ_M&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blessyouboys.com%2F&feature=player_embedded" target="new">full size) I find it’s fun to watch time to time.
link fail
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrJDAnhgQ_M&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blessyouboys.com%2F&feature=player_embedded" target="new">
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure this has been stated by a few writers already
But I expect Maggs to be cut loose closer to the break and in conjunction with a trade for a corner outfielder. The organization can than use the acquisition of his replacement in defense of his release, for I can guarantee you Scott Boras and/or the MLBPA will file a grievance.
Think where we could be with Magglio and Polanco hitting closer to career norms.
Better yet, don’t. It’s frustrating. I don’t know if it’s Magglio’s bat speed, his severe inside out swing, or his wife’s health — but either way, he’s not improving. If anything, he’s getting worse. I would love for him to have an Ortiz-like resurgence, but that doesn’t seem realistic. I have to keep telling myself 06-07 was 06-07, and he’s getting paid 18 million for league minimum production. Nostalgia shouldn’t cause us to throw money out the window (though it does seem like the Tiger MO).
Thanks guys
Great answer. Great title. I would explain Twinkie Town to you, but…I think you get it.
If Ozzie Guillen likes Punto that much, I vote we send him down to Chicago. Punto and Guillen deserve each other.
you should be warned
Jim Leyland enjoys twinkies, so he might eat your blog in a fit of hunger while he’s in town.
from a 2006 article:
He still smokes as if cigarettes are an extension to his fingers and he’s a junk-food junkie — his refrigerator is full of Twinkies, Hostess Cupcakes and Clark Bars. He’s still a no-nonsense, no-frills, straight-shooting manager.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I having a hard time dealing with this
or atleast, a harder time than I should. I was wondering if anyone knows how close Maggs would get to having his extention kick in if they give him until the last week of July. This is not just me feeling sentimental either. I do love Maggs but also feel like a hot Maggs is a better option than anyone available on the trade market. I am not a Matt Holiday buyer and I doubt Victor Martinez would be traded inside the division. Looking through the current standings there are only 8 teams in baseball that are more than 5 games out of either their division or the wild card. Of those teams I don’t see anyone on the Royals, Padres, D-Backs, Nats, Pirates, O’s (maybe Mora) or A’s worth making a run at and as I said before, if the Indians are willing to trade Martinez it won’t be inside the division.
I can’t imagine any scenario in which Maggs gets traded, I don’t think there is enough out there in trade candidates so I hope the Tigers wait as long as possible before cutting Maggs. I do realize the longer the Tigers wait the stronger the players union’s arguement will be when they file a grievance but if Maggs doesn’t show signs of life soon than I imagine there won’t be much of an arguement there anyway.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jul 3, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
If I didn't make it clear
I do believe that Maggs needs to go before his extension kicks in. 18 million for Maggs next year means this team can’t do anything next off-season.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jul 3, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Magglio
He is appalling at the plate this year. Horrible, really. I’d give just about anything if he magically started driving the ball again. They have to rid themselves of that contract before the options kick in for next year. I absolutely cannot bear watching this terrible decline. It’s hurting the team, not to mention what it’s doing to him. I’ll always love Magglio Ordonez….The Big Tilde.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
The thing is
no matter how much we all speculate, none of actually know what’s going to happen to him. I would really hate to see him go and you have to wonder what the brass is thinking. They are as probably as bewildered as anyone else. His contract is huge. I have always adored him as a Tiger. When he’s finally done, I will go into mourning.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
2010 contract guarantee trigger point
The first trigger clause possibility to be reached would be 1080 PAs in 2008-09
He had 623 in 2008
He needed 457 in 2009
He has 276 in 2009 through July 3rd game
181 PAs until his 2010 $18 mill option is guaranteed
Still plenty of room left but the Tigers probably don’t want to take it to the wire because it would be used against them in the grievance that will be filed.
Magglio Ordonez
Maggs is as done as Jim Leylands NEXT pack of cigarettes….
Magglio Ordonez
Magglio should return home to Venezuela and become a politician. He seems to think that Chavez is a great man and his policies are even greater.
I lost respect for Magg’s after his political comments during spring training and wished him good bye at that time.
Go Tigers GO!!
and….. God Bless Detroit
Well John
In your opinion you may have a valid point, however this thread is about baseball and not politics. I don’t recall him making any kind of comments during spring training and anything he does in the off season, is his own business. His political opinions do not affect us directly, just simply how he plays ball for the Tigers, that’s what we should be thinking about.
If you are so concerned about Detroit and it’s politics why don’t you express your concerns to politicians whose political movement and actions affect us directly in this city. For instance, I have signed 3 petitions to have the city charter revised; have specific members of the city counsel step down and have counsel members represent me according to my district.
To make a blanket statement about a baseball player (who is adored by the majority of the residents of this city) makes no sense. You have no idea how he was raised or what day to day life was for him (or other Venezuelans including several other ballplayers from the Tigers – all of whom support Chavez, by the way) the circumstances they grew up in and so forth. He was raised dirt poor in the barrios of Caracas. You might do well to watch the attached video and maybe you will get a general idea of why he thinks the way he does. I am not saying its right, but on the other hand I didn’t grow up in the same set of circumstances and him and the other Venezuelan ballplayers.So, I won’t pass judgment on him. Lets just leave politics out of it. He doesn’t come to the ballpark and share his political values (all of which he’s entitled to) he comes to play baseball.
He hasn’t done it well this year and that might have something to do with the fact his wife is ill and has undergone surgery on 2 different occasions for cancer. Hopefully she’ll get well and Maggs can return to form.
Baseball, k? We try to play nice here, but when statements are made about a person who’s so many things for the youth in my neighborhood, I tend to get a little defensive.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
Somewhat Off-Topic, But Please Bear With Me...
This is my first comment, though I have been a reader off-and-on for a bit.
Detroitchik, I just wanted to thank you for the link to the movie. I just watched the entire thing, and feel that I have a better understanding of the situation in Venezuela.
Here’s hoping that things turn-out well for Magglio and his family. It doesn’t look good with the “platoon” just announced, though. I will be extremely sad if/when Maggs is no longer a Tiger.
I’ll try and stop lurking so often, and jump-in to the fray on occasion. And I promise to play nice. :o)
Magglio and Chavez was well publicized in FL during the international play during the 2009 Grapefruit league.
Many local folks from Venezuala were infuriated by Maggs attachment to our “friend” in Venezuala – Mr Chavez. Chavez even made a public statement supporting Magglio when the fracas hit the airwaves.
Not being down here in the sunshine state being burried in the local Detroit snow and political garbage I understand your missing the point. I agree with you wholeheartedly that a player should be exactly that a ball player and not making political statements in his off time using the name of “sports” to do so. So many folks of fortune and fame feel that they should explain to us “commoners” political viewpoints like we are stupid and can’t make our own deductions and I resent them for doing so.
If you don’t like our way of politics in this country as Magglio has stated he should take his bat and glove and play full time for Chavez and his teams.
Thanks to our founding fatherrs and the war veterans I am entitled to voice my opinion just as you are and Magglio are!
Being a native Detroiter for 45 years and now a Floridian I often keep pace with the local political scene. I even had the pleasure of a recent weeklong stay in Detroit (Wayne State University area) the first week of July and was happy to return to my home after a week of city council members pleading guilty to bribe taking and the local Michael Jackson tributes.
God Bless Detroit and their Boy’s of Summer!!
Detroitchik take a look and do a "Google" I guess I should feel guilty because I wasn't raised "dirt poor" .....
Updated: March 15, 2009, 4:29 PM ET
Chavez defends OrdonezComment Email Print Share Associated Press
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez came to the defense of Magglio Ordonez on Sunday, slamming Venezuelan baseball fans who booed the major leaguer at the World Baseball Classic.
Chavez lamented that his friendship with Ordonez prompted catcalls from the mostly Venezuelan crowd during the team’s 3-1 victory over the Netherlands in Miami on Saturday, saying the fans who booed the Detroit Tigers slugger “have no shame.”
Ordonez
“Everyone has the right to think about politics,” Chavez said after reading an article about the incident from The Associated Press. "This is shameful.
“Viva Magglio, and all our patriots!” Chavez added.
Ordonez, who went 0-for-3, said he felt “ashamed” by the way Venezuelans in the crowd reacted every time he stepped to the plate. Fans cheered loudly when he struck out in the fourth inning.
The crowd applauded when Venezuela manager Luis Sojo took Ordonez out of the game after the seventh inning.
Most Venezuelans in South Florida despise the left-leaning Chavez.
Ordonez, one of Venezuela’s biggest baseball stars, appeared in a television ad last month supporting a proposal by Chavez to eliminate term limits for the president and other elected officials through a constitutional amendment. Voters approved the proposal in a Feb. 15 referendum.
The outfielder also joined the socialist for a friendly softball game ahead of the vote, but Chavez denied Sunday that the match — billed on state television as “The Amendment Cup” — was a political event.
“It wasn’t political campaign,” Chavez said.
Sports Minister Victoria Mata also condemned the incident in a news report titled “Venezuelan worms in Miami” that was carried by YVKE Mundial, a state-run radio network.
“The hostility from those fans against a player who is defending Venezuela with courage and dignity is shameful,” the network quoted Mata as saying.
Chavez wished Ordonez luck in Venezuela’s upcoming games in the World Baseball Classic and also took a dig at the United States team, praising Puerto Rico for beating the Americans 11-1 in 7 innings on Saturday.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
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