Morning Prowl: The Price For Roy Halladay, Pursuit of a Third Baseman, and Blaming Lloyd McClendon
First of all, the Tigersosphere is getting together for a Trade Deadline Live Chat. So far, Bill Ferris from the Detroit Tigers Weblog, Kurt of Mack Avenue Tigers, Big Al from The Wayne Fontes Experience, Lee of Tiger Tales, and me of Bless You Boys will be talking trades beginning at 2 p.m. EST right up until the 4 p.m. deadline.
Bill has sent out invites to several other people, so hopefully, some members of the mainstream media will also be available to answer your questions and chat. It'll be like an episode of the Super Friends, starring your favorite Tigers bloggers and writers.
We'll be doing it Cover It Live style, and you'll be able to access the chat here or at either of the other three aforementioned sites. You can also submit questions, comments, or news via Twitter by using the hashtag #TigsTrade. I'll post the chat around 1 p.m. Again, we'll get started at 2 and go until 4.
I think we'll also do an Open Thread for the few hours leading up to the chat. I should've opened another one for you guys last night! I can't believe it got past 500 comments through the night. Again, you guys are amazing.
Okay, let's go prowling:
Thanks to Lynn Henning, we know what the Toronto Blue Jays wanted from the Tigers in exchange for Roy Halladay. J.P. Ricciardi asked for Rick Porcello, Ryan Perry, and Class A prospect Casey Crosby in a potential deal. And with that, I think it's pretty understandable why Dave Dombrowski said, "Right, I'll get back to you" and went on with the rest of his day.
I understand Ricciardi trying to get everything he can for his best player, and he should ask for other teams' best prospects. But does he really want to make a trade or not? Because it sounds like he's overshooting here. Again, maybe that's fine, because in the end, the Jays can still have Halladay for another year. But if the idea is to get something before you end up getting nothing, then Ricciardi could be making a big mistake by asking for the moon.
I know there's been some healthy disagreement as to whether or not the Tigers should accept those terms. Some of us over-value prospects, while others want to win at all costs. (Just don't bring John Smoltz into the argument, okay? That was 20 years ago.) I feel like you have to win the World Series if you make a deal like this. But is "trading the farm," so to speak, for an elite player worth it?
The Detroit Tigers Weblog puts it in terms of numbers, showing how many more wins Halladay would be worth to this year's Tigers team and virtually assuring a playoff spot. And once they're in the playoffs, who's to say what happens with the rotation Detroit could throw out there? So again, would such a deal be worth the price?
Fire Jim Leyland essentially agrees with Billfer, saying the total value of Porcello, Perry, and Crosby in terms of Wins Above Replacement pretty much equals what Halladay would give them in a season-and-a-half. However, could the Tigers really afford to take on the remaining $20 million+ he's still owed on his contract with their current payroll?
Mack Avenue Tigers asks if hitting coach Lloyd McClendon can realistically be blamed for the Tigers' struggling offense. We all know they're not scoring enough runs. And there are a few players in the lineup that might benefit from some better tutelage. But weren't we told all winter long that the team was going to be sacrificing offense for defense in 2009?
Dombrowski told Jon Paul Morosi (or was it Ken Rosenthal) that getting a third baseman to fill in for Brandon Inge wasn't a trade priority for them. Though with the rumors of Detroit's interest in Marco Scutaro and Freddy Sanchez, it sounded as if such a player was definitely on their shopping list.
The FOXSports.com rumor chasers also talked to an American League scout who thought Seattle's Jarrod Washburn would be "a great fit" for the Tigers, because of the success that left-handers have had at Comerica Park. (Clearly, he wasn't talking about Nate Robertson or Dontrelle Willis this year.)
However, it doesn't look like the Tigers are in on Washburn. SI.com's Jon Heyman thinks the Yankees have the best shot at getting him, but not if it costs them Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. So does that mean Porcello would be the price for Washburn?
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We need a slugger.
Yes I know we have two rookies in our starting rotation, but they are pretty good rookies with good potential. Middle relief is okay — SeayLyon, Ni and now Fien can get through an inning most of the time. Fernando is our closer, and if we need anything in the way of pitching, it might be that position now that Zumaya is out.
But time after time we’ve seen good pitching getting no run support. A third baseman would be nice, since Inge is kinda hinky now. But we just need a slugger somewhere who can drive in runs.
by NCDee on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A slugger and a starter
I’m going to keep saying it until the deadline: Alex Rios. He’s expensive, but he won’t cost prospects. He can hit the ball a long way and gets on base a lot. Pick up the phone, DD.
Also, to throw another name out- Brian Bannister?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am having trouble pronouncing "tigersosphere" out loud
by allikazoo on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone once suggested I get rid of that middle “s.” I’m kind of attached to it.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE the prospects
I’d think that the math that Fire Jim Leyland did was good, but there’s a bit of a flaw. If Crosby is now a top 100 prospect, which is a reasonable assumption (I know I can make the case), he’s worth a lot more than 2.1 million. I’d put him closer to Perry’s 7.2, if not above (as a B+ player). So if Crosby is on the top-100 list, we’re giving up much more than we’re recieving.
I’d like to see a package like Crosby, Perry, Iorg, Ramirez, Larish if we’re going to make a deal at all (as much as I will cry for Casey Crosby). And I’d appreciate it if the Jays would force us to take that awful Rios contract they’ve got too.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping we don't get Washburn
unless the deal is centered around Larish. Washburn’s BAbip this year is .245. That number will surely rise in the second half, much to our chagrin.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this headline nearly gave me a heart attack
by allikazoo on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They mean Orlando! Breathe, breathe!
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Miguel
For Mauer and Morneau.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects are just that
Halladay is the real deal. Proven year after year, one of the best in the game. He would easily equal Porcello and Perry since he routinely pitches 8 or 9 innings/game. Porcello won’t even begin to pitch 200 innings for another 3 years! Who needs middle relief when he could just get the ball to Rodney?
I would rather send Iorg, Wells, or Ramirez, but Crosby is just fine too. If Halladay doesn’t want to sign, or if the $$ is too steep, we just trade him and get prospects back. Where do we lose?
by kreynoldsmsu on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Id send....
…Guys like Halladay dont grow on trees…..If anyone thinks Porcello will be a Roy Halladay you are way way off….hes a stud….Those guys dont grow on treees….i agree with your pist….If he doesnt want to resign get some prospects next trade dealine….ITS A NO BRAINER…..GET HALLADAY!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lose
If the value of those prospects exeeeds what we get for a year of Halladay.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face- in order to have a succesful major league organization, you need to develop young, cheap players in the minor leagues. We certainly don’t refuse to trade any of our prospects, but our best three for one player that helps us for maybe 2 years? No thanks.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We only lose if
The value of those prospects exceed what we get for one year of Halladay AND other prospects we get in return, trading him away, if he doesn’t sign.
We still have Tigers that we’ve developed…Grandy, Rodney, Verlander. Just like any other championship team. But we wouldn’t have Jackson or Cabrera without dealing some prospects.
by kreynoldsmsu on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive said all along....
……Its not Lloyds fault…..some yes but come on these guys are big league hitters….wake up bats….Look in the mirror and get it done guys
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SEPN Radio Seattle's Mike Salk - Tigers acquire Washburn http://bit.ly/153det #mlbtrades
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Join the club
So much for me finishing my depo summary before lunch…
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT
who goes to SEA?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Alli You're on top of things!
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://bit.ly/153det #mlbtrades
there’s the best link
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
refreshed mlb trade rumors.
they now list mauricio robles also
by allikazoo on Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauricio Robles
http://firstinning.com/players/Mauricio-Robles-a
Decent K-BB ratio, K’ing over a guy per inning. Scouting- he’s supposedly got a good FB and an above average CB, but a bad changeup and mediocre control/command. He’s also got size problems, which means his future may be in the bullpen.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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