A Trade! Tigers Get Jarrod Washburn
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
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PrintAccording to MLB Trade Rumors, the Detroit Tigers have acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Seattle Mariners. MLBTR cites a report from Mike Salk of ESPN Radio 710 AM in Seattle.
Washburn has an 8-6 record and 2.64 ERA in 20 starts with the Mariners this season. He's lost only twice in his last 10 starts, and was arguably the third-best starting pitcher available on the trade market after Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee.
No word on who the Tigers may have given up yet. This post is probably going to be updated.
UPDATE: Pitchers Luke French and Mauricio Robles are heading to Seattle.
Robles is a left-hander who's pitched in 18 games this season between Single-A Lakeland and West Michigan, compiling an 8-6 record and 4.24 ERA. The number that raises an eyebrow (and seems to have Mariners fans excited) is the 111 strikeouts he's thrown in 91.1 innings.
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French and Robles for Washburn! Thank you DD!
by BigDaddyJC on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Posted in the other thread- Robles
http://firstinning.com/players/Mauricio-Robles-a
Decent K-BB ratio, K’ing over a guy per inning. Scouting- he’s supposedly got a good FB and an above average CB, but a bad changeup and mediocre control/command. He’s also got size problems, which means his future may be in the bullpen.
Also, let it be known
Happy dance time.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
LOVE it.
Didn’t give up much. Great move.
"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
The Only Colors
BP's Kevin Goldstien:
“New #Mariners P Mauricio Robles is a small lefty with a big arm, 90-94 mph with +command, breaking ball flashes plus, prob. bullpen in end.”
Plus command?
Heard his command was mediocre…
Still, a bullpen arm for a good SP- that’s a good deal.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Type A
Washburn is projecting as a Type A free agent. If he’s offered arbitration and walks, Tigers get two draft picks as compensation. Very nice.
MLB Network says Robles is a young, somewhat newly converted OF.
by fluffstuckinWI on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Robles is not an OF...
He’s a pitcher…
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
MLBTR says he projects as a type B.
I don’t know if he will reach A threshold if he continues to put up the same kind of numbers the rest of the season.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He will be a A....
….after he gets another 8 wins with detroit!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Type B
It’ll be fun when he gets a 1 year – 15 Mil contract in arbitration and takes it. He’d absolutly murder us in Arb with that low era and his 10 mil contract this season.
He’d be worth about 1/2 that much on the open market this off season.
Yes, this is an improved pitcher. But this is still Jarrod Washburn. His ERA has been deflated due to a helpful ballpark, a fantastic outfield defense (that Detroit can’t match up with), and a completely unsustainable limitation on home run balls.
When Jarrod Washburn is being successful because he is limiting home runs on his fly balls you should be very afraid of that continuing.
What should be expected of Washburn going forward? A 4 to 4.4 ERA. Typical Washburn.
So DD traded a young Washburn that’ll be under team control for 6 years for a couple of months of this “new and improved” version. Oh and threw in 1 more interesting young arm as well.
Not sure how Detroit won this deal.
by CKremer on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tigers could still get a bat, with what they gave up
That might be what impresses me the most.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Iorg and Ramirez should be our big guns for a bat.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ramirez and Iorg....
…..for Rios?? anyone like????
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Why that much?
They want to dump Rios’s contract.
Magglio and Ramirez OR Iorg for Rios.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to find the boys
And then bless them.
Looks like a good move. DD is just being DD right now.
Outstanding move!
I was hoping for a bat, but another quality starter will do just fine!!!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lookout landing
seems to think they got the better deal? huh
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/31/970685/washburn-to-detroit#comments
B/c
We dealt a young 4/5 starter and a potential bullpen piece for an expensive guy who will probably regress a little. For a win-now move, though, I like it. They may win in the long term, but I doubt either Robles or French turns into John Smoltz. Maybe Jarrod Washburn and Fernando Rodney (a good RP?)…
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't see French how we see him
We see a soft tossing lefty, which reminds us of Robertson, they see a young Washburn. The Tigers didn’t have high hopes for Frenchy and I never saw much more potential then bullpen. It’s a good trade for us.
YAYYYYYYYYYYYY
a trade worth something. Oh Happy day!!!!. Thank you DD
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dd you stud
impressive. Don’t like seeing french leave, but someone had to go. We now have three legit starters, and one from the left side to attack the twins. Well done. Keep working that phone.
by rook34 on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
wonder when his first start will be.
washburn is on the schedule for sunday, for seattle. hrm, where shall he fit in?
Well
French was supposed to go Monday for us. Maybe it will be Washburn?
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I just read in the freep Washburn will go Tuesday
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Squeeze between Verlander and Jackson
Probably to split up Verlander (who is going on Mon) and Jackson on Wed. Good change of pace between the two
IM guesssing
….washburn starts Sunday…..whoever is suposed to start sunday will be pushed back
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Galarraga is the scheduled starter for Sunday
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Something happened!
I’m not really excited about Washburn….just that we finally did something of note.
Washburn is 8-6 with a 2.64 ERA in 20 games this season.
according to MackAveTigers
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I have
a chubby
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I look at a player's whole career though
Solid, but not fantastic. He will be a pretty good 3.
Certainly better than Nate Robertson.
His ERA is awesome because Seattle's defense is incredible.
And Safeco kills right-handed hitters.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ok...You dont have to be....
…..But to get a flyball pitcher that pitches in Copa…..Most are happy
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We really need to make sure Magglio's option doesn't vest now.
The 33 million saved would be a nice insurance for all of the arbitration offers we’ll be making this offseason.
you realize it’s probably going to. I am not just saying that because I adore Maggs, just a feeling, unless they just release him outwardly.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It most likely will
Unless we get a stud RF in a trade.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
doubtful
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ALEXRIOSALEXRIOSALEXRIOS
You know, just in case you didn’t know who I wanted…
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fangraphs
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/washburn-to-detroit
Cameron’s a Seattle fan, but he’s kinda right. It’s important to stay grounded- WASHBURN IS NOT A WORLD BEATER. This year he’s a decent 3, and while I think we gave up an appropriate amount, this was an even trade.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's experience we got. With a good ERA
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ERA's rise
I think Wash is a 4 ERA pitcher, and I think we gave up a fair amount for him. I’m just saying that it was even is all.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
an even trade is fine
I don’t mind a fair exchange with no one getting screwed. Each team gets something they want and for a price they are comfortable with.
I’m just happy to have a little more experience in the rotation. A lot of pressure on a lot of youngsters.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
MAYBE top 10, probably not though
either way, still a huge piece that we needed badly and will make our top 3 starters tough to face
I go to the grocery store and come back to this.
WE didn’t give up much, but poor Rod has three months’ worth of “French” references down the drain.
Contract Year?
Last time Washburn pitched as well as this year was in a contract year (2005), I believe.
Turned on SportsCenter and saw this news on the crawl
knew I had to immediately get on here. Great addition for us! I gotta admit I’m going to miss Frenchie a little bit haha. I’m going to the game on Monday and French was originally going to start that game, so maybe I’ll see Washburn firsthand! So since we’ve actually done something now, do you think we’ll keep going and try to add a bat? I think we all agree that one is needed.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Does this mean the Tigers won't pursue a bat now?
Cuz they could still use a left-handed bat. Luke Scott…
That would be awesome
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you read my mind
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's got to be all or nothing
if you’re going to upgrade one of our stronger areas you’d better upgrade one of the weaker areas to make it mean anything
we may get a bat before the day is over
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Scott is slumping. Big time. Either that means the price may come down, or we don't need him.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take him
even in a slump
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
again
you read my mind. Change of scenery might do him some good.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he's slumping....
getting Luke Scott out of a Baltimore jersey is good for 2 wins in that series next week, even if we don’t play him.
by davking1980 on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott would just ground into double plays all game long
if he was wearing a Tiger uniform. Tiger Killer through and through.
thank goodness I took the afternoon off from work
Otherwise people would be wondering why I was laughing my ass off at the computer. :)
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So that means that Verlander will start Monday?
I get to watch a Verlander start for my birthday? Too bad I’m not going to THAT game.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you find this?
If this is true I’m really pumped because now I’ll get to see JV on Monday haha
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Scroll up for the freep.com article on Washburn
he is going to go on Tuesday. So JV will probably go on Monday. That would mean JV moves up in the Rotation by a day. No big deal for him
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they had a day off Thursday so he still gets his 5-day rest
That’s so exciting!
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going Wednesday
so most likely I’ll see Jackson. And that’s fine w me. I’ve seen each pitcher at least once in the rotation this year, and JV twice. Love ’em all.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you hear this?
If this is the case, I’ll go to the game.
by B-Race Miles on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually do have another errand to run
but when I heard this I had to come back home and get on here. Off to the yarn store soon….
I'm going to take a shower
Does that work?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it could!
Give it a shot!
Actually when I was a kid I would do that for Red Wings games in hopes for a goal while I wasnt looking.
LOL
I remember one game last year that was at Fenway Park. It was kind of a slugfest, and they were just starting the bottom of the eighth when I went away to take a shower. When I got out of the shower, it was STILL the bottom of the eighth. And I take long showers.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
still need a bat
i would like to see us get Josh Willingham
2 grand slams in one game does that to a body, eh?
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect another deal to go down soon
I feel like the Tigers will be making another deal soon, for a bat. You all remember how the organization couldn’t decide on their needs? Well, maybe they’re just gonna get both needs.
Im guessing we get....
…Rios from Toronto
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
in joy or sadness?
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Have you seen me comment in the past 24 hours?
:D
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
a little bit, but I was very busy and couldn't read closely
I was assuming you would be happy. :)
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Toronto would be crazy to trade Rios.
Rios has a manageable contract for years to come, and he’s a decent value.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Toronto is crazy
They’ve been talking about unloading Rios’s contract for a while.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
this is why I think he’ll stay here, unless he is released outright.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Still
If they dealt Maggs, the team that acquired him would assume his contract, so they’d be the one’s that would have to deal with his option.
if you're a team
in contention are you going to pick up a 35 yr old slumping player’s options? And I am not so sure about that, becaue Sheffiled is still on Tigers payroll
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks to the Seattle GM
For asking for Joba or Hughes to scare off the Yankees
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+100
I hate ’em
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I forgot about that
If he really thinks Luke French is the same Caliber as Joba or Hughes, he will be sorely dissapointed
I suspect he thinks French is basically the same pitcher Washburn is.
Only cheaper and under club control.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Seattle didn't ask for either of those guys
When the information is easily available its pretty stupid to just make something up.
This is super/amazing/stupendous/awesome.
I liked Frenchy, and I totally did not envision a trade like this, but after they said they were gonna need a lot of stuff to pry Washburn, this looks like the steal of the century. Yay Dave, you didn’t suck for once!
I love this deal
We all know the Tigers have a weak farm system. When I saw that they traded for Washburn, I was pumped, but was afraid to see the prospects they give up. I figured one of Sizemore, Crosby, or Iorg would be in the deal. Instead, they dealt two prospects who didn’t make Baseball Prospectus’ top 11 Tigers prospects. This is a masterstroke, and it leaves the cupboard stocked for another deal.
Via MLBTR
“SI’s Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees are pessimistic about making a big move, with Washburn off the table.”
We also ruined the Yankees trading abilities! Go Tigers!
and now
that ERA belongs to us.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hope he can keep it up
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
Depends on a few things.
The HR rate he’s putting up is going to regress eventually. You can try to hope that it doesn’t happen this season.
Is the Tigers outfield defense as good as the Mariners? Anderson, Thomas, and Granderson are a pretty nice OF defense but its just not the same as Seattle.
Also, Safeco is death to flyballs and right-handed hitters. So that was a huge advantage Wash had that is now gone as well.
We have, hands down, the best top 3 in the rotation if he indeeds keeps it up.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't either, but I'm going to take one for the team and go buy yarn.
Thank goodness for XM radio!!!!
what kind what kind what kind?
What project are you working on? Or is this just adding to your stash?
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Ok. Back.
I’ve got friends with a four month old daughter. So far I’ve made a blanket and kimono for her. Now I’m looking at “toddler” dresses. Gonna turn her into a girly-girl. but her father is a baseball fan (though a Red Sox rooter) so she will still understand the finer points of the great game.
because a team that needed a veteran starter got one?
That makes no sense.
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Because we're distracted by his "shiny ERA"
And we gave up something good for him.
I’ll say it again- I’d take his FIP of 3.75. I’d take his career ERA of 4. I’d probably be okay with what Cameron says he should be at (4.4). Because we gave up a #4 starter and a bullpen arm.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
4.4 and veteran poise
Is better than what would have been in the rotation in his place. An improvement is an improvement.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
FIP is deflated due to that HR-rate.....
The truth of the matter is the big difference in the deal is player control.
Give Wash the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s an upgrade over French, well your veteran #4 starter is gone in 2 months while they’ve got that #4 French for 6 years…. AND a nice bullpen arm.
Its worth it if you guys can make the playoffs this year, but in terms of total value its a loss for Detroit.
That's ok
they were making fun of us when Washburn pitched last week for them
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't get me excited over luke scott.
You have NO IDEA how badly I want him in a Tigers’ uniform.
by B-Race Miles on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Chills ran up and down
my spine after I read that….C’mon DD. Just do it.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer Alex Rios...
… but we all knew that.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Do it, do it, DO IT
C’mon DD, as long as you don’t sell the farm, you gotta pluck Scott from Baltimore.
most all the big names belong to Boras
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what percentage of major leaguers he represents.
It feels like 75% plus.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
here read Scott Boras' wiki -- make sure to scroll down there are 3 columns full of MLB names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Boras
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
so what that tells me
is DD doesn’t let Boras scare him off, like some other GM’s
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not yet
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Scott RUMOUR
But nothing yet.
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lol
I am going Wednesday, I would like to see him In OUR uniform instead of theirs. Not just for a game though, for a few seasons would be nice.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone mention that Luke Scott was in a slump right now?
He’ll almost assuredly bust out of it next week.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
one look at the D on the uniforms
And he’s hitting balls into orbit.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
That opens the door for a multitude of Star Wars jokes
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
okay I'm just gonna go home for lunch.
have food I need to eat there and I can stay in the loop, see you guys in a bit
Okay gang
I’m going to go take a shower and hope that things will happen while I’m gone.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
Hey...
The Luke Scott speculation started while I was in the shower, so it’s worth a shot.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
just be careful
You’ll turn into a prune trying to get the right player to the Tigers.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
Here's what scares me
Kenny Williams of the White Sox has been known to make big trades. He could trade the whole farm system to get Halladay
It also scares me that the White Sox have been suspiciously quiet
And Mark Kotsay doesn’t count.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Had to share this.....
Washburn, 31, has gone 8-6 with a 2.64 ERA (third best in AL) in 20 starts for the Mariners this season, allowing just 109 hits and 33 walks in 133 innings pitched. He was 4-1 in July with a 1.44 ERA in six starts.
low walks low walks low walks!!!!
HOW EXCITING!!!
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
THanks for posting that Luke Scott rumor
Made me look really smart in Big League Stew’s chat just now.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
Who would you guys rather see get Halladay? Twins or White Sox?
I know that neither will get him but if one did, I think I’d rather it be the Twins because the Sox scare me more this year.
neither
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I rather see Sox if I had to choose
We have more trouble against the Twins and hold our own (3of4 last week) with Sux
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if death is not an option, Twins
I hate both teams, but the White Sox are much douchier and I like Halladay a lot.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
agree
as much as I love him, if they are trading for Scott, they need to deal one of their young outfielders, say, Clete Thomas.
Geez...I didn't know Luke French attracted that much excitement in the Pacific NW
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just excitement for having gotten anything remotely useful for Washburn
When a year ago we couldn’t have gotten anything for him, and yesterday we were being told we were probably going to be stuck with him. We’re seeing it as trading a 35 year old expensive Washburn for a 23 year old cheap (with 5 years of team control) Washburn 2.0 and a nice live arm with upside in Robles as a bonus. People are excited because we managed to immediately replace Washburn and add something else. Of course, once everyone calms down and remembers that we hate Washburn and thus we’ll probably be equally frustrated with Washburn 2.0 they won’t be as excited, but nonetheless it’s a good move for the M’s.
No one’s terribly excited about French, we’re just excited that we actually got something for Washburn.
by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They are excited
Because the difference in ability between French and Washburn is negligible while the difference in how long each player will be with their new respective teams is massive.
Wash may push you guys into the playoffs this year. That is FANTASTIC!
But no matter what he did he wasn’t going to help the Ms there, they are just too far out. So they swapped him for 6 years of his replacement. Congrats. For a rebuilding team that is a good reason to be happy.
Please read... says he O's are done dealing
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-osnotes731,0,5582148.story
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one thing about this time of year?
never believe a word written.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ok.
I will trust all of you, but I felt the need to post.
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by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a good move form them. doesnt scare me. less time for punto, ok by me
by Tigersin2010 on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
less Punto is a good thing
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
This means they wouldn't be getting Scutaro
Which means I still think we can make a good push for him.
Why?
We wouldn’t have to give up too much to get him. He can play some 3B for us this season to allow Inge to take days off frequently or to do on the DL. Then we can re-sign him next season and he can be our new starting SS, for roughly the same amount as Adam Everett would cost. He is better than Everett.
Here's what DodgersDan says:
“Most underrated pitcher in trade talks. Washburn has been putting together an amazing season. Great move by the Tigers. I was hoping the Dodgers would move on him if they couldn’t manage to get Halladay.
… can we have Edwin Jackson back? ;)"
I like reading this stuff, cuz it makes us seem in a really enviable position.
lips are sealed :)
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Read the last two sentances
“Cabrera, 34, is hitting .280/.318/.365 on the season in 448 plate appearances. He has $1.75MM remaining on his contract, once you factor in a $250K bonus for being dealt. Though he profiles as a Type A free agent after the season, Cabrera’s agent wisely negotiated a clause disallowing his club to offer arbitration. So, no draft picks for the team for the loss and no impediment to signing Cabrera from the player’s point of view.”
WHY LUKE SCOTT???
He can’t play defense…potentially a 1b for orioles next year and super religious, which may not bode well with the clubhouse. do not get him.
Vinny Rottino
Sounds like a new shape of pasta.
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huh???
The brewers dropped Vargas after he stunk up Miller Park a couple of years ago….and now they trade for him again?
Geez, what’s next, get Doug Davis from the DBacks, so they can get the band back together again?
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That's MLIVE
Is that their front office twitter?
by Detroit4lyfe on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Front office Twitter
is @OFFICIAL_TIGERS
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy mistake
especially since Granderson tweets from that account sometimes… no biggie Alli, thanks for the tweet update anyhow
by Detroit4lyfe on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
massive amounts of chocolate may be required to soothe her pain
If there is a shortage of chocolate or ice cream or something in Texas, we will know the cause.
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even if he were traded to Texas?
He’d be closer to her then.
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erin andrews has been on google trends for a solid 2 weeks.. no lower than top 10 :(
by explosivo2k2 on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lookout Landing folk think we are retarded for thinking this is a good trade for us
They are wrong. I see this trade being pretty much even in terms of improvement on both sides. Luke French was good this year, but he showed no signs of being amazing or even continuing his good pitching ways for the rest of the year. Of course, he could very well mature into a great pitcher, but we also have Ricky Porcello who has a better chance of doing that. No loss there for us, potential gain for the M’s. I had heard nothing of Robles until today, so that proves that he wasn’t nearly the best prospect we had in our system. From what I have heard, he is good, but needs a good deal of work. Have fun M’s with him, whether he ends up good or bad.
On to Washburn. The Tigers needed a quality left-handed pitcher. We also needed some veteran presence. Aside from Carlos Guillen, we are a team full of really good young guys. Washburn adds both of those qualities instantly. The M’s fans are saying that he was having a fluke of a season and that his “sparkling ERA” some of us have raved about is an abnormality. This doesn’t matter. The odds that we keep him for a long time seem low. We do not need him, right now, to stick with the Tigs for a long time. We need a guy like him to ensure that we get to the playoffs, have a brick wall of good pitching come playoff time, and fill the requirements I noted in the first two lines of this paragraph. If he does this, the Tigers received today just as much as the M’s did. Who knows; if he continues to rock like he has so far this season for the rest of the season, we may have won the deal if we resign him for the coming years and he pitches anywhere near his career average 4.00 ERA. To those who say Jarrod will not do as well without his catcher, or without King Felix in front of him, this is not a big deal, seeing as Laird is one of the best defensive catchers in the league, and Justin Verlander or Edwin Jackson will be pitching in front of him. He should be able to work well with that situation. One other point; I know he is a fly-ball pitcher, and this is good for us, seeing as the CoPa is very spacious and also, we have one of the best defenses in the AL. If someone hits something far off Jarrod, Grandy will probably corral it no problem.
In conclusion, I feel this is a win-win situation for both teams. I see no downside to this trade whatsoever. Congrats M’s fans, but I am happy I am a Tiger at this moment.
Kmann gets the award for longest comment EVAR
by explosivo2k2 on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It certainly looks like it
I’m hoping it’s largeness attracts any Mariners fans who are checking this blog out.
Ask and ye shall receive.
I love this deal for the Mariners, because if you look at the whole of Jarrod Washburn’s M’s tenure there was no guarentee that we’d ever get anything of value for him let alone a guy who fits our stadium well (French) and a minor leaguer with some upside (Robles). There was absolutely no reason to keep him. We had to trade him, and that we got value in the process can only be construed as a win.
As for your side of the deal…there is no doubt that Washburn is pitching better than he has…ever, but how much of that is attributable to park factors + stellar outfield defense + luck and how much is attributable to a genuine increase in skill (aka “the flipper”) + intestinal fortitude?
In the end, I guess a slight regression from the current so-called “shiny” numbers but Washburn, in a mental groove and determined, ends up being what you hoped for and does his part in helping carry you to the play-offs. Mere speculation but the best I can do.
Good luck.
but a good analysis
I basically just said “why are the Tigers stupid for getting a decent veteran starting left-handed pitcher when what they needed was a decent veteran starting left-handed pitcher?”
Good ERA is a bonus, but the low walkage is better. :)
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They're overrating Robles
He may be top-5 in the Tigers system, but we dealt from a position of depth. He’s a reliever in the end, something that the M’s have plenty of. A solid prospect, potential setup guy, but we’ve lost worse.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As of last year
The M’s are asserting he’s top 5 in the system.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, things have changed
We’ve played half a season- these lists change.
I’ll be doing a list this weekend, btw.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
I don’t think Robles is top 5. Top 10 maybe.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking forward to
watching The Flipper.
Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
I have returned
although not to much breaking news, it seems.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Minor league ball thread on trade
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/7/31/970750/washburn-traded-to-tigers-for
Pretty much what we’re saying.
MLBTR seems to be bogged down with heavy traffic.
They need to purchase single day bandwidth upgrades.
I've noticed that
It’s taking forever for the page to load every time I hit refresh
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
09 Washburn = 06 Kenny Rogers
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's what it's looking like
That’s what I’m hoping for as well. Rogers without some of the toughness.
No, I don't think we have to resort to those extremes
Just bring in Nolan Ryan and have him yell at Jarrod for a while.
It would be nearly impossible to top what Kenny did in '06.
Assuming we win the Central, of course.
by StringTheory on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep reading Washburn changed his delivery with the pitching coach.
Hopefully he can survive on his own. Or that Rick Knapp can be brought up to speed.
Red Sox are acquiring Victor Martinez
If we don’t sweep the Indians this weekend, we should be ashamed.
Yeahhhhhh
4-game series IN Boston in August for us. And the first of those games is being broadcast on ESPN (according to the schedule). That’ll be a fun week.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Not the curse of ESPN!
Blech. :(
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Boston
Still has a big fight on their hand with the Yankees and Rays, Smotlz isn’t living up to expectations and DiceK is out. I wouldn’t hand it to them yet… I don’t think I’m looking forward to that 4 gamer in Aug right now though…
Adrian Gonzalez would scare me more
Though that’s a nice deal for the Red Sox.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Too hard to follow
I’ve got this window, the live chat, the MLB rumors feed and Sportscenter going. I’m not sure this is a healthy situation.
sensory overload
So what kind of yarn did you get? :)
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Caron "Spa"
It’s a bamboo blend and the color is “Ocean” — kind of a light teal. Now I just have to find a pattern I like.
I have a skein of the Spa - in the same color, too!
There is a scarf pattern I have that uses sport weight, and the first yarn I used I didn’t like the way the pattern stitch draped. I thought the Spa might be better but I’ve been too busy trying to figure out a pumpkin basket for my little niece for Halloween to try the stitch yet. Too many projects and stupid work and chores keep getting in the way.
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I know what you mean.
I have a shawl, a bag and a shell all going now. Why I’m starting a new project I couldn’t tell you. Except it’s fun to go back and forth among projects so you don’t get bored.
not to mention
Buying more yarn on the off chance that I’ll find something to do with it eventually – besides, it was on clearance and a great price! (My mom says that I am truly her dad’s granddaughter. I’ve been called worse.) :)
Although I did go through my stash and pull out three full paper grocery bags of novelty yarns that I can’t see myself actually doing anything with anytime soon, and I’m going to call around and see if I can find somewhere to take them off my hands. I’m keeping all the standard worsted weight, the Fun Fur, and the ribbon and ladder yarns that I picked up because those I have at least some vague ideas for. Also keeping all the cotton, because my sister and parents like the dishcloths I make out of that.
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Me too
I have this, live chat, MLBTradeRumors, and the live coverage online from MLB.com. And I’m trying to pack because I’m going out of town this weekend. Overwhelming.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming you don't mean details on the impending Victor Martinez trade?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
so basically they didn’t want to trade Heath Bell that badly
by explosivo2k2 on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
Essentially, Miguel Cabrera for Heath Bell. Lolz.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that is the sort of thing
you wish you had that “Force Trade” button in real life.
I always assume one GM has a stack of illicit photos of the other GM. “Maybe you would like to rethink that Evan Longoria for Zach Miner trade”
I love this.
From @OFFICIAL_TIGERS: Tigers now have three of the top six ERA’s in AL… Jackson 2.59, Washburn 2.64 and Verlander 3.13. Verlander leads AL with 172 strikeouts.
Justin Masterson, then, maybe?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it's okay
Reliable lefty starter = NOT Nate Robertson. It’ll be okay.
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Washburn's defense and pitching at Safeco helped him out.
Comerica is a pitcher’s park and he should get some help from the Tigers’ defense but having had the displeasure of seeing most of Washburn’s tenure in Seattle I think Detroit made a terrible deal.
If he turns out to be another Doyle Alexander I'll be fine with this trade.
But Washburn’s numbers are shiny and glittery but perhaps not real.
they might not be that shiny in reality
But they are certainly respectable. With Verlander and Jackson, respectable will be a very good addition.
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I am resigned to the fact that we will not be picking up Scott now
It is too close to the deadline. If we will get him, it will have to be in the next 20-30 minutes. I just don’t see that happening.
:(
Dunn
Tigers should give up wilkin ramirez and casey crosby for adam dunn and then they will be unstoppable
photoshop!
“I have here in front of me a picture of a herd of pygmy goats and you … in a rather … compromising … position. Would you perhaps like to reconsider your opposition to my trade proposal?”
“Would it aid your thought process if I point out that some of the goats are wearing pink tutus”
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Where do we play him?
Dunn can’t field.
And why give up that much for the right to pay 20 million dollars to a player who may not even be able to produce in the AL?
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody know if the MLB deadline is like the NHL's?
As in the teams just have to notify the league by 4. And news of the trades may not hit until after 4?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Jul 31, 2009 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You mean...
baseball is more than just gazing at nice, shiny rosters?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I took the afternoon off
For other reasons, but it worked out well for this, too. :)
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Deep breaths
He’s channeling Cy Young now- don’t disrupt his concentration.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
did you go yarn shopping too? :)
NCDee and I were talking projects.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
And Dave leans back in his leather chair and thinks
“Boy, those crazy bloggers sure are … crazy for thinking I’m working on things. Day’s over folks! Washburn is my gift to you, accept it!”
At which point I enter his office and bludgeon him with a rock, accentuating every hit with “Luke” and “Scott”.
I have second crack
Alternating between Alex and Rios.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
switch "rock" with "pool noodle"
You want him to still be able to operate his phone. :)
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well we know for sure they get last place in the AL central
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Isn't Kansas City in last place right now, though?
And Cleveland played really well after they traded Sabathia.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
the Royals are sucking something fierce.
Although, they did nab that power bat Josh Anderson from us, so they could be trouble…
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
there is still time for the Indians to fall dead last
they’re only a 1 1/2 games ahead of the Royals. And now they no longer have Martinez to bail their asses
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The Royals and Indians in some sort of anti-pennant chase.
They’re lucky not to be in the same division as Pittsburgh.
I heard on the radio we bacedk off of
Alex Rios because they wanted us to take Vernon Wells and he has a huge contract, bigger than Magglio’s. I don’t know if that’s a fact but I was listening to sports radio (97.1 the ticket) and that’s what they were saying.
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Hard to believe
That the Tigers would even talk to Toronto about Rios, I don’t think he brings anything to the table. Plus he’s Right handed.
Fine
Alex Rios and Vernon Wells AND Scott Rolen for Magglio Ordonez, Nate Robertson, Dontrelle Willis and Carlos Guillen.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd do that trade
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lol...but see
we would have Well’s contract and Magglio’s something about Ordonez’s trade clause. I don’t think DD will go for it
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Just tell Maggs
that Illich is funding revolutionaries to overthrow Hugo Chavez. That’ll solve it.
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Blue Jays acquire AA pitcher Sean Smith from Pittsburgh (of course)
for future considerations
Trade of the day.
Pittsburgh must be empty
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pretty soon
They will need to put “Future Considerations” at second base and have “Cash” in the outfield. Sad. :(
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Now that could be bad.
Cabrera didn’t phase me but the last thing we need is for Minny to get more bullpen help.
MLB Trade Rumors:
Twins are interested in Bell
Personally, I’d rather he go to the Dodgers if the Twins are now involved
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
Dear Mr. Dombrowski,
Cleveland is trading everyone so please pick up Shin Soo Choo because he is awesome.
Your friend,
David
He has that military requirement, though
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ooooooohhhhh
That would be nice.
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According to MLBTradeRumors, it's ADAM who went to Atlanta
He’s just going all over the place
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
same difference.
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The Yankees just acquired Jerry Hairston, Jr.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry Bonds
I thought he was retired. Steinbrenner Family never ceases to amaze
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silent like ninja? :)
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//Kmann readies the pool noodles for motivational beating
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Motivational my arse
I want it for punishment
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes no sense
to get a guy like Washburn without a bat to compliment it. I mean face it, our offense is less than stellar lately. Months
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we won't go very far
without better offense
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Holy crap
Pittsburgh just made another trade. Minor leaguer Sean Smith for “future considerations” from Toronto.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors
Tigers interested in reacquiring RHP Jason Grilli from Texas in exchange for AAA prospect 1B/3B Jeff Larish
no need to worry
I think Verlander will stick up for them. :)
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
Pittsburgh is going to become a barnstorming team with Andy LaRoche playing all 9 positions.
It’ll cut payroll and be exciting!
Hey everyone Ian made a trade deadline chat room for us
Thanks, Ian.
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so we have to get up off the couch and move to the next room?
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BREAKING NEWS!
“Blue Jays acquire SP Roy Halladay in exchange for months of trying to deal him to other teams. "
This appears to be the blockbuster deal of the day. I’ll let you know when more info becomes available.
Future Considerations
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don't you want a bat first?
The beating might be easier. :)
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
MLB Trade Rumors reports that:
Atlanta may send Casey Kotchmann to the Red Sox in exchange for Adam LaRoche.
Does not make much sense because Boston STILL has too many first basemen.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
Screw that
I want him to tell us that he’s picking up a corner of
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
DD normally can't shut up
So the fact that he hasn’t spoken says he’s up to something, or at least trying
At least tonight I go to work at five instead of four...
…so I will not be kept in suspense about any more trades.
The game? That may be another matter.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
that happened to tigs with Pydge Poster I think last year
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's an Omen...watch out whatever trade deadline is next year.....
You don’t wanna be the giveaway the next day…
I've always wondered what happens to a player's merchandise when he gets traded.
My local JC Penney is still selling T-shirts that say “Sheffield” or “Rodriguez” on the back of them. Hell, for a long time they had a Renteria jersey that remained on the racks. I don’t know if it’s still there or not.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I Renteria shirts being sold online a few months back for like a dollar
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I like
his name. I would wear the shirt just for that.
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they
would have had to pay me to take one of those, and I still wouldn’t have worn it…….
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
LOL
I have mine on today, they’d have to literally take it off my back…..
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
I still have my Pudge T-shirt (complete with World Series patch)...
Although it’s hanging in the closet and hasn’t been worn since he was traded. I’ve been reduced to just wearing generic Tigers shirts because I haven’t found a satisfactory Verlander T-shirt.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to a game about 10 days after Pudge got traded last year
There was a woman at the game wearing a Pudge jersey with a “broken heart” attached to the back next to the 7.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah someone linked that earlier
his entire article consists of way too many "might’s and "potentially"s
Still doesn't mean it is entirely wrong.
Washburn might be good or he potentially could become Jarrod Washburn.
A league average starter putting up a 4 ERA?
God no!
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But
there are others out there who have potential too.
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
Yeah exactly
so why condemn something that you’re not even sure about?
Every single trade in every sport in the history of mankind has had some sort of risk involved.
Tell us something we don’t already know.
I'm all for rentals but I have watched too many Washburn games to like him.
Combative little last line but I’ll go with it:
There’s a rock over by my neighbor’s home with their cat’s paw print from when it stepped in paint.
I was referring to Henning...
but okay.
And you need to understand that to an outside, you’re pretty biased having watched him the last few years.
I’ll wait to see him throw and form my own thoughts and opinions.
Actually, wouldn't that make him knowledgeable?
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The only problem is that Washburn has a better breaking pitch this year.
The numbers he’s putting up seem to be more because of his defense and ballpark. Comerica and the Tigers defense are comparable to Safeco and the Mariners – except RF where Ichiro runs and CF where Granderson has graded out to league average.
I don’t know; I think that my stance on Washburn coupled with no new bat so far has made me a bit annoyed.
That may be worth something
Considering he’s never going to be able to use his arm to sign his name again.
if we dont get a trade done
I am going to be busy picking up my desk because these papers are about to go flying across the room.
Nasty here on the Gulf Coast
Seriously powerful thunderstorms have been killing my power and my Directv all day
LOL
I just saw on MLB that they ARE shipping the Martinez Bobblehead to Boston
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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/trade_deadline/live.jsp
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
MLB Trade Rumors
Twins are out of the Heath Bell sweepstakes, apparently, but they are now interested in Jon Rauch.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
"This tells me the Tigers think they're still in it" -MLB Trade Deadline Live
Um, DUH. We’re in first place. I think it’s safe to say we’re still in it.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
This is like the bottom of the ninth
Tigers are one run down. Miguel up to bat.
and here’s the pitch….SWING and miss….ugh….
AND
that’s it NO BATS !!!!! MFGGODUROUREUOTRHKTGORMUTHA FKKKA
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I really think we'll be ok without a bat
we didn’t have much to give up in order to get one, and we all know how well a lineup full of bats did for us last year. Remember what we’ve been saying all year: “pitching and defense wins championships.” Well done on the Washburn deal DD. I think we’ll make a run at it!
Well on an up note
Maybe we can sweep in Cleveland, I mean they have lost Martinez, who was their most valuable, IMO
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I wish they would have traded sizemore
I know they never would have, but that would have really been a kick in the crotch to Cleveland. (which i always feel is deserved)
We did better than last year
and gave up next-to-nothing for it
Why be upset? A few days ago everyone was shitting all over Lucas French. Now all of a sudden we can’t bear his loss. And a Single-A player who will probably be a reliever? Aren’t we supposed to have a plethora of them? Well, you have to give up something in order to get something.
I’ll give the deal a B+
I’ll give getting no hitters a C….primarily because I expected NO trades AT ALL today. Plus we still have the waiver trade period. Lots of time to make deals guys….
Oh, and Josh Anderson for ANYTHING I give an A.
I liked Luke French.
Cheap and back of the rotation; considering the contract problems for Detroit there was stuff to like about French. What’s done is done though and I will put away my Washburn voodoo doll.
I’d say we’re in C+ to B+ (depending on how things work out).
They're gonna be talking a lot about us here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/trade_deadline/live.jsp
Main guy thinks it’s the best trade of the day. I agree.
Yeah I heard that too
Pfft.
And twice more!
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to say Porchello
but now it seems so odd to hear. Especially when everyone at that table is calling him that.
When it's spelled like that...
It looks like a household cleaning product
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
this guy just called Por©ello -- Por(ch)ello
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Because they are PROLIFIC
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
if he’s talking at a national level, uhhm it would be fitting if he could at least pronounce the names
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
Rick Porchello
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
there may be trades that were completed
that may not even be reported until later tonight…you never know
that is true
and I am hoping for something like that. Usually a GM will come out and make a statement if they are done for the day … correct?
Alright guys
I’m off. I’m leaving for the weekend and I’ll be at the game on Monday (yay!) so I will be back around these parts on Tuesday. Here’s hoping we take our brooms to Cleveland.
by kendra.michelle on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
well here's the link for the Tiger's lineup fot este noche
http://www.freep.com/article/20090731/SPORTS02/90731077/1050/Tigers—lineup-for-tonight-s-game
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
I'm going to start using the term Peavey to describe hope dashing rejection.
This lady seemed to be interested but just as I went to pick her up to go out to a show she Peavey’d.
Not good, if true
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/peavy-dealt-to-white-sox-again.html
Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
I said that things were too quiet around the White Sox camp...
…but isn’t Peavy still on the DL?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
mlbtraderumors.com reporting Jake Peavy to White Sox, again.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/peavy-dealt-to-white-sox-again.html
you are great for keeping my hope alive
you are just as good at “Peavying” my expectations.
(was that used correctly?)
haha.
I dunno, I mean he’s probably right, but I’m bored and have nothing better to do than speculate
Plus it be great to send a "Take your Jake Peavy and shove it" statement
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Close enough in my book.
A guy I knew was accused of plagiarism and I began to use his last name as a term for copying. I Bowman’d the idea from television.
Hey, anytime the Tiger hitters are stymied by a pitcher they shouldn't be stymied by...
I call it the “Reyes Effect” because it always reminds me of Anthony Reyes in game 1 of the World Series.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a mean wish for someone going to work on a Friday evening
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
Just because
someone is doing something they rather not be doesnt mean they cannot have fun while doing it.
Do yourself a favor Leyland...
Put your best possible defenders behind Washburn and you might get the the value of the $3.5 million he’s due over the rest of the season. This trade is only in Detroit’s favor if they do work in October.
I can't decide why you guys are being such jerks about this
Seriously- Lookout Landing’s behavior was downright offensive. I’m surprised they didn’t accuse us of all being stupid. Well, explicitly, anyway.
Look, I’m a SABR type as well, and I see a pitcher with a 3.75 FIP moving to a slightly less spacious park with slightly worse OF defense. It won’t be the end of the world at all. Hell, pitchers on lucky streaks like this tend to see them hold up for whole seasons (see Galaraga, Armando).
by David Tokarz on Jul 31, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you understand regression
and the instability in HR rates?
Because there’s the source of your nice FIP.
His xFIP is something like a 4.10 which is still decent.
Like I said earlier, this trade is a breakeven if you guys can make that playoff birth. Otherwise it was a bit of a waste.
but hopefully
that Hr-rate doesn’t regress this year.
Someone needs to make it to the playoffs that has a shot at stopping the Sox/Yanks/LAnahiem
"slightly worse OF defense."
The Mariners OF defense has been worth 35.9 runs above average this season. The Detroit OF defense has been worth 6.8 runs above average this season.
by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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