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I need some help with a project I'm working on for an MBA class on baseball and statistics.  For my final project, I'm exploring whether or not any 1984 Tigers deserve to be in the Hall of Fame (particularly Trammell, Whitaker, and Morris).  Does anyone know where you can find statistics (both fielding and batting) by position?  For example, if I want to find statistics for all shortstops from 1980-1990, where would I find that?  I tried baseball-reference.com, but I haven't been able to find anything there.  Any help I could get would be great.  Thanks!

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Can't help ya stat-wise

but hell yeah Tram and Morris should be in the HOF. Don’t think Sweet Lou should be (although he was great), but it’s a crime that Trammell isn’t in there. His stats are better then Ozzie Smiths, but just because he didn’t do backflips is keeping him out

by JazzyBBP on Jul 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm probably in the minority here,

but I think Whitaker is more deserving than Morris. Comparing them to players currently in the hall, Whitaker compares pretty favorably (both defensively and offensively) to Ryne Sandburg, and his offensive performance is WAY better than Bill Mazeroski’s, though Maz does have an advantage defensively.

Frankly, Morris simply doesn’t compare well to any current HoF’ers, at least in my opinion. The best comparison I can find for him is Catfish Hunter. Also, there are at least two AL pitchers not already in the HoF that are better than Morris: Jim Kaat and Bert Blyleven. Of course, that’s mostly my opinion. Plus, I always liked Sweet Lou better than Morris.

by Dberg on Jul 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Tweener

I think Morris suffers from one, having a very similar player in the same situation (Blyleven), but also by happening to be sort of mid-generation, which left him pitching into a hitters era, while being compared to pitchers from the previous pitchers era.

For instance, instead of comparing him to Hunter, Kaat, Blyleven, etc, try comparing him to recently-dubbed “can’t miss” Hall of Famer Curt Schilling and he matches up pretty well..

by ColemanOld on Jul 8, 2009 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with you

on Trammell though. It’s a shame that he’s not getting more consideration than he’s been getting. If you look at RC/G (how many runs per game a lineup of nine Trammells would score), he compares very favorably to Ripken and Yount, and he blows Smith away:

Trammell- 5.23
Ripken- 5.21
Yount- 5.25
Smith- 4.11

That metric, at least, shows him in a virtual dead-heat with Ripken and Yount. Throw in the fact that he’s better than Yount defensively, and only a little worse than Ripken, and I think it’s pretty clear that Trammell belongs in the Hall.

by Dberg on Jul 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

try this link for the Baseball Almanac

I am not sure if it will have what you’re looking for, but it has a list of all MLB players by name and some different stats.
Good luck with your project.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/ballplayer.shtml

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by Detroitchik on Jul 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

Baseball Reference is a great starting point

Take particular note of their Hall of Fame standards statistics (Gray Ink, etc.) Those should help you a lot. As you can see, Trammell is well above the standards for the bottom of the Hall of Fame, but he’s still in the bottom third among Hall of Famers.

For the ‘84 Tigers, I would suggest you describe Gray Ink and how it doesn’t apply very well because ’84 was post-expansion. Then use the Hall of Fame Monitor and Hall of Fame Standards tests.

by Misopogon on Jul 6, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Google articles in Baseball Prospectus

I believe they have actually done some work on a few of those players.

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by Tdogg on Jul 6, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

interesting project

I would be sure to cite to lots of old FJM posts about voting writers’ views on qualifications for Hall membership.

by cloud wall on Jul 10, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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