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Not So Sweet on Clete?

At The Spot Starters, Blake doesn't understand Tiger Town's love for Clete Thomas (comparing it to the adoration so many have for Brandon Inge).

In particular, he calls me out for driving the bandwagon with the whole "Cult of Clete" movement. 

Clete Thomas is turning into a cult hero in Detroit and I am completely baffled.  I know my mom likes him because she thinks he’s cute.  That can’t explain his entire following though, can it?

Ian of Bless You Boys has been all over Clete since day one and is probably the person actually driving the band wagon.  He’s even selling shirts.

From what I can gather, here’s why people like Clete:

  • He’s a lefty.
  • He’s young.
  • He’s not paid all that much.
  • He’s got that blue-collar image going, people like that.
  • He has country music playing when he comes up to bat.
  • They think he’s "clutch".
  • His name is Clete.

I can't speak for everyone, of course.  Though I do question just how much of this perception is based on what's read online.  Does Clete have that much of a following in the "real world"?  Maybe I haven't been to enough games this season, but when I've been at Comerica Park, I haven't seen too many "Thomas 34" jerseys and t-shirts in the stands.  The cheers for him don't seem particularly loud. 

But I'll try my best to address this (Rogo has brought it up to at DesigNate Robertson), since BYB has contributed (with perhaps some unfortunate decisions) to whatever cult following Clete Thomas actually has.

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  • First of all, there's more than a little bit of irony in this whole "Cult" thing.  And I'd like to think Blake realizes that.  I joked about Thomas becoming a sensation after the third game of last season.  We didn't even know who this guy was back then.
  • More than anything else, I think that's what fuels any interest in Thomas.  Everyone likes to see one player come out of nowhere to make the team.  It's what we look for almost every spring.  And Thomas wasn't a hotshot prospect, either.  
  • Yes, of course the name has something to do with it.
  • But I think there were some practical aspects to the interest, too.  Last year, the Tigers desperately needed a left-handed hitting outfielder who could provide some defense amongst all those lumbering sluggers.  And having some youthful spark mixed in with a veteran roster (who apparently presumed they could flip the switch at any time) was also intriguing.  He was one guy playing hard on a team that thought they could win just by showing up. 

And it's not like rooting for Clete Thomas is completely without merit.  He's come through in some big moments over the past two seasons.  He's the second-best defensive outfielder on the team, which isn't exactly unimportant. 

However, it's not blind adoration, either.  Hell, I've criticized him myself for striking out too much.  Clete should be playing better, and the fact that he gets regular playing time while batting .241 is an indictment on the rest of Detroit's outfield depth.  More than likely, he'll be back in Toledo this weekend when the Tigers call up another pitcher.

(EDIT: I should've read Billfer's post on playoff eligibility rules before writing that last sentence.  If the Tigers were to send Clete down this weekend, he couldn't be on the playoff roster.  So that's probably not going to happen.)

But for those who really have a problem with fans rooting for a player you believe doesn't deserve the attention, I ask what exactly is it that offends you?  What's it to you?

Should we just all root for Miguel Cabrera because he's the superstar?  (Is he not getting enough cheers, by the way?)  Should we just go see G.I. Joe instead of The Hurt Locker because it's playing in more theaters?  Eat more McDonald's, because it's a national name, rather than the family-owned diner?

What's wrong with rooting for an underdog?  Isn't that what's supposed to make sports fun?

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I always thought the whole Cult of Clete thing was tongue-in-cheek anyway.

I like Clete, but yeah, he probably shouldn’t be anywhere near the top half of the lineup.

by explosivo2k2 on Aug 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it either.

I don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than a 4th OF.

by Tagne13 on Aug 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He won't

But he’s a good 4th OF.

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a great arm.

I think everyone was looking for any reason to have a “hero”. Just like Avila has become. It’s the love of the game.

Tammy

by VegasTigers on Aug 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We all have our little quirks and eccentricities when it comes to player preference

Once I decide I like someone, I’m not gonna suddenly stop liking them if they struggle. I mean, my top 5 Tigers are (in order) Verlander, Maggs, Galarraga, Inge, and Granderson. All five of them have struggled at one point or another this year, but it would take more than that for them to fall out of favor with me. The only real scenario in which my ranking might change would be if someone came along that I liked better. But I will say this: I like Inge, and I still don’t understand the massive amount of love he gets. I’m not criticizing it, I just don’t understand.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of it has to do with his tenure on his team

Seems like he’s been here forever…of course people are going to be loyal to him.

That’s just one of many reasons. But probably a very big one.

by Tagne13 on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He forgot that he looks like a gangly baby bird.

Anyone who doesn’t realize that the “Cult of Clete” is meant to be light-hearted and humourous needs a funny bone transfusion, stat. It’s harmless.

What’s the harm of cheering for an underdog? What fun is it if every kid at the Little League World Series gives his favorite player as Derek Jeter or Manny Ramirez? Everyone needs someone to cheer for them. Cheering for a guy to do well doesn’t mean he is even very GOOD, for Pete’s sake. He’s been lousy lately, but it doesn’t mean you can’t hope he does well and be happy for him the times he does come through.

Cheering for Clete Thomas doesn’t mean you think he’s the big answer to the Tigers’ problems, just that when he comes up to bat you hope he comes through because it’s fun when he does hit a walk-off.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
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by Baroque on Aug 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or walk a walk off, as was once the memorable case.

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by ahtrap on Aug 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Toledo?

Surely, we can get through next Monday without adding a Fein, Bonine, Dolsi equivilent “innings eater” pitcher as opposed to losing the availability of Clete in the playoffs?

Sure, I agree he’s not played (of late) deserving of a starting OF, but, if he can ever find the consistency he shows from time to time, then, he would be our second best overall outfielder. Plain and simple, he needs to make more contact, the rest will take care of iteslf.

by tigerphan36 on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that...

Considering we’re going into September with a short bullpen unless someone gets called up, but should the Tigers be fortunate enough to make the postseason, they’d move either Porcello or Galarraga into the bullpen to be the innings-eater (and I say either/or because I don’t know what Porcello’s workload will be at that point or, to phrase it differently, how close to the end of his rope he will be).

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right; the Tigers aren’t going to risk losing Clete on the playoff roster.

I added that note to the post. Thanks.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem I have with Clete is he's

always trying to swing for the fences. I just want to see the ball in play.I think it has contributed to his poor BA in August which is only .182 now…. OUCH.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually offended by the country music.

And we shouldn’t root for Miguel Cabrera because he’s a superstar, we should root for Miguel Cabrera because he’s hilarious and adorable. OBVIOUSLY. ;)

by Roar of the Tigers on Aug 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Clete's entrance music more than anything.

And I cheer for Miguel Cabrera because he’s good.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know whose music I like?

Santiago’s. The Latin players have better music than the American players overall, though.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Satiago's music

I wish I knew what song it was. I want it for my itunes. Me and one of my friends tried to look for it a few times on line and it says it’s Jean Paul, but when I pulled up the Jean paul song that wasn’t it. His music is the best. It gets me rockin in my seat. I also like Lyon’s music.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's who I meant to say

Sean Paul. We looked it up but couldn’t find it. Sean Paul. I usually listen to the Beatles, but none of the guys have that ae their entrance music. One of my young friend’s looked up Sean Paul, but it wasn’t there.

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:o)

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polanco had an entrance song a couple years ago that I absolutely LOVED

I know the title of it was Lamento Boliviano, but I have no idea who the artist was, and I haven’t been able to find it anywhere.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats his new music

Santiago’s that is. I like the one prior from July and before

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's it!

Found it on YouTube. It’s got a great beat.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do enjoy Cabrera's goofball antics

Plus the fact that he can mash the ball.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it were good country music it would be more acceptable.

Nelson, Cash, Twitty, Williams Sr./III, Jennings; this Nashville crap has got to go.

As for Miguel, I root for him because he’s this hitting machine manchild. Oh, neat, Samara posted. I post as David O. over on RotT.

by 13194013 on Aug 25, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Country music?

I think Raburn’s is worse ;)

Although, I love that with Raburn’s, you can at least sing along with “Little Ryan Raburn, jacking up some baseballs.”

It’s kind of hard to make a song about Clete with “Song of the South.”

by anaaki on Aug 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's Clete! You gotta like him

Why does anyone like anyone? Who knows.

But Clete does his job and seems as shocked by the accolades as anyone else. I think it’s that sheepish nature when the camera is on him, really.

Plus, frankly, I like anyone who can field that well.

by MackAveKurt on Aug 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is it alright for me to still like Placido Polanco?

I want to be down with the hip kids

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com

by rock n rye on Aug 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

dang

I used to be with “it”, but then they changed what “it” was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s “it” seems weird and scary. One day it will happen to yoooou…

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com

by rock n rye on Aug 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused now...

so I’m gonna whip out my Polly pic.

Polly

by madpoopz on Aug 25, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh for Clete's sake!

I am a member of the Cult of Clete, because he just looks so gosh darn EARNEST out there.

He reminds me of a character in Philp Roth’s Great American Novel. There’s young kid who plays outfield and keeps running into the wall. Every game. The owner of the team finally calls him in and asks “Now son, just what are you thinking out there?” And the kid replies “I dunno. I ain’t havin’ no sex thoughts or nuthin’ like that, I swear.”

And that’s what I always think of when I see Clete in the outifield.

by NCDee on Aug 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't quite the obsessive fan I am now in 2006, but

I sorta feel like clete is the brandon inge of 2009. it’s gonna take some time but he’ll prove himself and he works hard to earn the fan love.

by allikazoo on Aug 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

er, that was worded poorly

clete in 2009 = inge in 2006. is what I meant. holy avila do I wish I had gotten more sleep.

by allikazoo on Aug 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clete is harmless...unless he strikes out.

Onto the more pressing issue of entrance music. Does anyone else remember when ruben sierra got shipped to the tigers when they were truly putrid? The yankees sent him here. His music? Long way down by the goo goo dolls. Hilarious.

by rook34 on Aug 25, 2009 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I like Clete just because

He isn’t a star, and he’s likely never going to be a star. Then again, my favorite palyers on the 1984 tigers were Larry Herndon and Tommy Brookens. Clete kinda fits that mold, in that he’s not the guy you really think about, but he can come through on occasion for you.

This year anyway, he’s #34, and I’m 34 years old.

Until someone tells me otherwise, he’s the only guy I know of who has a walk off walk, a walk off home run, and has scored on a balk, which is random and weird enough to qualify as cool in my book.

The “cult” thing is absolutely a harmless joke, but it’s fun to pull out whenever he does something good. I don’t think any of us are actually worshipping the guy.

Bottom line, he seems like a good kid, one of those scrappy players that everyone loves to cheer for. And he’s got a great baseball name.

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by ahtrap on Aug 25, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do any Tigers have death metal entrance music?

If anyone did, I think it would be Ryan Perry. Maybe Edwin Jackson. I’d love to hear someone come out to As I Lay Dying or Lamb of God, or something of that sort.

by Dberg on Aug 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Adam Everett has "Trust"

at least at one time

from Megadeath

it was great

by Tagne13 on Aug 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes

I realize that is not death metal.

by Tagne13 on Aug 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

zumaya's music

is Jimmy Hedrix. hardest metal I’ve ever heard is Lyon’s or Seay’s

Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.

by Detroitchik on Aug 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down with Clete...

up with Milt Cuyler!

Check out www.spotstarters.com for more news on the Detroit Tigers.

by spotstarters on Aug 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone really needs to explain themselves

Who cares if people like Clete? It’s “Who’s your Tigers?” not “This is your Tiger and you’ll like it.”

I think Ian nails it on the head with this post. Spot Starters got served.

by Detroit4lyfe on Aug 25, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see by the scroll on the homepage

that Jeff Larish is having season ending surgery on his hand and wrist. So I guess we cross that name off the list of September 1 possibilities.

by NCDee on Aug 25, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

End of 4

2 -1 Boston.

by NCDee on Aug 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet catch by Clete!

Like him or not,
that was an awesome catch!

by JAYRC on Aug 26, 2009 1:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

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