Morning Prowl: More Love For Miggy, Those Running Rays, the Numbers 6 and 19, and the Polanco Dilemma
First, a mea culpa to It's Just Sports. In yesterday's post about the arguments that are being made for Miguel Cabrera as AL MVP, I neglected to include Patrick Hayes' case, which was presented last week - before anyone else addressed BigMig's candidacy. (And I had it on my list of things to link to.)
So here's a link to that thoroughly researched post. Apologies to you, Patrick.
Cabrera's MVP chances were also the main topic in a chat I had with the Sports Talk Soup podcast last night. I think we were supposed to preview the Tigers-Rays series, but got caught up in the MVP discussion. You can download the show or listen to it via streaming audio at BlogTalkRadio.
Tigers Amateur Analysis looks at this weekend's series with the Rays, and warns that Tampa runs even more than the Angels do. (The Rays have 164 stolen bases to the Angels' 130.)
So should we expect to see more Gerald Laird behind the plate in this series? The pitching rotation might have had him catching more anyway.
At Fangraphs, Dave Cameron thinks Brad Penny would be a good fit for the back end of the Tigers' rotation. I seem to recall Penny pitching well against the Tigers, but I don't know how he'd do pitching for them. Would he be better than the other pitchers the Tigers have available right now?
The Twins and Yankees are among the teams reportedly interested in Penny.
Jon Paul Morosi believes the Tigers will win the AL Central, largely because Jake Peavy's health won't allow him to be a factor in the race. He also predicts Zack Greinke will win the AL Cy Young Award, and favors Joe Mauer as MVP. (via MackAveTigers on Twitter)
If the Tigers were serious about adding Trevor Hoffman to their bullpen this past offseason, they might have another chance to acquire him. On Tuesday, the Brewers put him on waivers. MLB.com's Adam McCalvy reports that a team has claimed him, but said it was a "rival club" and I don't think the Tigers fit that description.
(via Brew Crew Ball)
Tigers Tracks continues its "Tigers By the Numbers" series, profiling each uniform number in team history. (I'm still trying to get over Tony Phillips being passed over for the Number 4 feature.) John is at Number 6. You know who that means.
Take 75 North contemplates the dilemma of whether or not to offer Placido Polanco arbitration this offseason. This is going to be a tough decision for the Tigers.
By the way, do you subscribe to the T75N newsletter? If not, you're missing out on a good look at each of the Tigers' farm teams, and which players are rising and falling.
A player that will surely be featured in future newsletters is lefty first baseman James Robbins, a 30th-round pick that signed with the Tigers just before the deadline. The Detroit Tigers Weblog has an interview with Robbins, who's already off to quite a start in the Gulf Coast League.
More uniform numbers for you? The Daily Fungo lists the players who have worn #19 for the Tigers this decade, the latest being Aubrey Huff. How has that number worked out for those guys?
Speaking of Mr. Huff, Trumbull and Michigan sees one benefit he's provided to the Tigers since joining the team. Sean thinks Huff's approach at the plate will eventually pay off with some hits and RBIs.
Another of the players who wore #19 was Juan Gonzalez. Mickey Tettleton Memorial Overpass takes a break from total immersion in the Sports Illustrated online archives to share Tom Verducci's 2000 profile of Gonzalez and the season he had with the Tigers.
Andy highlights several notable passages from the article and responds with the wisdom that nine years has given Tigers fans. If you want to remember why and how this franchise spiraled downward under Randy Smith, there are plenty of bad decisions to go over.
The Spot Starters looks at how each Tigers position player and pitcher has performed since the All-Star break. There are stat lines both beautiful and terrifying on that list.
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Thanks for the link, Ian
And I was seriously ready go go forward with Tony Phillips at #4 until I dug a little deeper. I was doing anything I could to avoid profiling Higginson there.
by BigJP on Aug 28, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Polanco ceases his Tigerness...
Than Cabrera will be my Tiger.
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by madpoopz on Aug 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can Polanco play SS?
Even in an off year like this one, he’s still an offensive upgrade over the current platoon at SS. I’m wildly speculating here, but I don’t think him shifting over in the infield would hurt his defensive prowess.
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by rock n rye on Aug 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
good question
Can I second this to see if anyone knows anything about this possibility?
by IowaLion on Aug 28, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Tiger's do not sign Polly
who is out there that is (or could be) as good as him at second? What I mean is who could they sign that’s a free agent or bring up from the minors that handles that position they way he does? He one of the best. I think Polly would be very good at SS. I truly hope they keep him around. I love Polanco.
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by Detroitchik on Aug 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Tigers do not re-sign Polanco
…the plan will probably be to use Scott Sizemore as the everyday second baseman. I would understand the move if that is what they chose to do, but I sure would miss Placido’s glove.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, thanks for the link, Ian.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at this point...
I would bet polly is back on a one year deal unless someone steps up to give him a great multiyear deal. No one has stepped up at the minor league level and I don’t see another free agent option.
by rook34 on Aug 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
You mean besides Scott Sizemore?
How is .310/.380/.484 not stepping up at the minor league level? Sure, he doesn’t have Polanco’s glove, but he’s a capable defender at least.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you on the numbers...
And you know way more about the minor leagues than I do. What I meant was that I haven’t noticed a buzz that sizemore is ready to go. The impression I’ve gotten from what I’ve read was that heid be coming in 2011.
by rook34 on Aug 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's ready
There hasn’t been a huge buzz, but Kevin Goldstein speculated that his bat is better than Polanco’s at the deadline.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not follow prospects closely at all
…but I do live in Toledo, and as a result, I hear about the Mud Hens on a fairly regular basis, and it seems to me that Sizemore still strikes out too much. The Mud Hens as a team strike out way too much, though.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
88 on the season between AA and AAA
But a strong K:BB ratio- 88 strikeouts to 62 walks between the two levels- that’s pretty damn good.
Look, Scott Sizemore is not Placido Polanco, at least when it comes to skillsets. But he’s a solid all-around player who scouts like a bit and who projects as a solid regular at 2B. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sizemore contribute more in win shares or WAR or WARP (or whatever metric you want to use) than Polanco next year.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which teams are going to need a second baseman?
Off the top of my head, I can think of the Pirates, Diamondbacks, and possibly the Twins, and none of them seem likely to offer a huge multiyear deal.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs?
Mets, Dodgers (if they don’t resign Hudson), Cardinals, Astros, probably some more.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'd miss Polly
but with all the budgetary issues and the possibility of losing the top tier of the bullpen as well, it’s going to be hard to keep everyone around who you’d like to see continue in the D. This is, by far, going to be one of the most difficult offseasons for the front office.
by MackAveKurt on Aug 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats why....
It would be so huge to win the division this year. When do the horrible contracts start coming off the books? Guillen, nate, bondo, etc. Willis I know.
by rook34 on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
In 2011, they have the potential to still be paying Ordonez, depending whether he gets the plate appearances necessary next year. (Which will be harder given his more limited time this season). Guillen is still on the books. Three players earn a combined 41M in 2011. (Cot’s Baseball Contracts spreadsheet)
I think an important factor this offseason will be trying to get Verlander and Jackson — Verlander is much more important, I’d like to see more track record with Jackson than one season — to take deals that put more money on the backend of the contract than the front.
There’s room for Dombrowski to do a little fancy footwork and iron things out by 2011, but this is still not a terrific situation by any means.
by MackAveKurt on Aug 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I advocated dealing Inge
Heck, replace him with Adrien Beltre (if we can get him for cheap) and you don’t lose much fielding plus you get a slightly better hitter. We save a good deal of money that way, and we can jettison contracts and avoid FA signings until 2011.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not deal Bonderman instead of Inge?
One thing to consider is that trading away Inge risks alienating a whole lot of people, which could very well lead to lost revenue (not exactly what you’re aiming for when you want to make big super-duper free agent signings). Bonderman costs more money than Inge and does not carry as much sentimental value. And you’d probably get the same level of prospect for either of them.
And for the record, no, I don’t even trust Adrian Beltre.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury record
We couldn’t get anything for him, and we’d probably have to take on salary. Bondo is worthless right now- alas, he may not come back from injury at all with two lost seasons (which really pains me to say- he’s been my Tiger for a while now).
Plus Binge is an all-star having a great year after fixing his swing. If his knees are in good shape, teams might be all over him.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the Tigers going to do with Verlander?
I know it’s another arbitration year, and I’d love for them to lock him up through some of his free agent years, but it seems like every time the Tigers do that with someone, he immediately becomes injury-prone, old, or ineffective.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am I the only one who recalls that polly is nearly impossible to K
obviously that isn’t the only thing to consider here, but still. I would like to keep him around another year. give sizemore a chance when the rosters expand or polly needs days off.
by allikazoo on Aug 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cost-benefit
First, can we afford him when we have someone at the league minimum ready to step in? Second, is it worth forfeiting the draft pick we lose if he refuses arbitration? Third, can we afford to sign him at all?
Remember- .273/.320/.387 isn’t exactly incredibly valuable, even with great defense.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, which is why I said it's not the only thing to consider
I dunno. I guess I’m just personally not ready to say goodbye to him yet. haha
by allikazoo on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que?
“is it worth forfeiting the draft pick we lose if he refuses arbitration?” Not following you on this one.
by mattintoledo on Aug 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
horribly unclear-
This is what happens when you’re trying to pay attention to your rhetoric class and talk baseball as well.
It should read: “Is it worth forefitting the draft pick we would get if we offer him arbitration and he refuses?”
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I would make a horrible GM
I just don’t have the ability to look at a guy as a walking bag of draft picks (or a walking bag of prospects, for that matter).
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't nessecerily look at a guy as a walking bag of prospects/picks
But I feel that the bottom line matters a lot more than sentimentality- I love a lot of players on this team (Bonderman for one, Nate Robertson for another, and I have a strange affinity for Fernando) but sometimes you’ve got to cut ties for the good of the team.
I am, first and foremost, a Tigers fan. I want to see the Tigers do well, and if that means moving Inge or not resigning Polanco or accepting defeat for 2010 to build a stronger team for 2011 and beyond, I’m willing to accept it wholeheartedly.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning is a panacea for the illness that comes with cutting ties with loved players.
If trading/releasing a player means a World Series I cannot say it was a bad move.
I’m pro Doyle Alexander!
by 13194013 on Aug 28, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that is why I'm glad I'm not the GM
Because the GM needs to make the hard decisions like those. Most (not all) of the Tigers that I have a lot of sentimental value for are likely not going anywhere for the time being. The Inge thing I’m hesitant about (and I know this is irrational) only because I don’t trust anyone else at the position (unless you plan on bringing him back for 2011).
And as a Tigers fan, I’m already accustomed to sitting through long stretches of rebuilding, even if I don’t exactly look forward to it. And as far as losing players go, hey, if I could survive them trading away Pudge, I can survive anything (though I would be really, really sad if they got rid of Verlander).
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 28, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I liked Ivan him being moved wasn't that traumatic.
When the Tigers dumped Travis Fryman I was mopey for months. Then the Juan Gonzalez deal came about and I swore I was done with the team.
I backpedaled but still hated that era; screw you Randy Smith.
by 13194013 on Aug 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May Randy Smith suffer a flat tire in downtown Detroit
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d offer him help as long as he promised to hold a press conference saying he had no clue what he was doing as the Tigers’ GM and that he apologized for what seemed like a conscious effort to throttle the city’s desire to love this franchise.
by mattintoledo on Aug 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That works
I’ll provide cover fire.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they move Verlander
It better be for like Strasburg and Zimmerman or some ridiculously awesome package.
Number one rule of a quick rebuild (or really any rebuild): if you have a young, championship caliber corps of players, YOU DO NOT TRADE THOSE PLAYERS.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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