The Alex Avila Era Now Begins
The Detroit Tigers' 8-2 loss to the Baltimore Orioles quickly became the second story of the night, as the team announced several roster moves following the game. Hello and goodbye, Wilkin Ramirez. He was sent back down to Toledo, along with catcher Dusty Ryan.
Pitcher Chris Lambert takes the bullpen spot that opened up when Casey Fien was demoted earlier today. But the big surprise is who's taking over for Ryan as back-up catcher. Alex Avila, probably the top prospect in the minor league system right now, is being called up from Double-A Erie.
This season with the Seawolves, Avila batted .264/.365/.450 with 12 homers and 55 RBIs. From all accounts, his left-handed bat is major league ready, but it's his defense that needs work. (Unfortunately, I can't really find any numbers to support that.) So is playing back-up to Gerald Laird really going to help him with that? Or is this an indication that Laird is about to lose some playing time? Another theory is that Avila could see some time at DH, if Carlos Guillen is ready to play left field.
But doesn't this feel like calling up Cameron Maybin in 2007? Too soon? And probably too desperate, as well?
(demondeaconsbaseball has more thoughts on Avila in the comments of our last post.)
Lambert, meanwhile, compiled a 6-7 record and 3.55 ERA, adding 106 strikeouts and 31 walks in 126.2 innings. But in his last 10 starts, he's 4-2 with a 2.07 ERA, which is probably why he got the promotion. (And it's probably a temporary one, until the Tigers figure out what they can get out of Jeremy Bonderman and Nate Robertson.)
When these roster moves were announced, my initial thought was that I didn't understand calling up Ramirez at all. What was the point? But if you thought he was in the Tigers' lineup tonight solely to face a left-handed phenom, then you're probably correct. I mean, isn't it completely obvious after another one-and-done big league appearance?
I'm guessing that Detroit was ready to swap Fien for Lambert, but saw an opportunity to go with a short-handed bullpen with Jarrod Washburn presumably set to pitch deep into the ballgame. And with an unfamiliar Brian Matusz pitching for the Orioles, why not bring in another right-handed bat? Unfortunately, Washburn gave up six runs and Ramirez went 0-for-3, so neither move ended up working out for the Tigers.
And where exactly does Dusty Ryan stand in the Tigers' organization? (Billfer doesn't see much of a future for him.) He was supposed to give Detroit some more punch in the back-up catcher role, right? Hitting .160/.276/.200 hardly provided that. Yet Ryan only played in 11 games since joining the team in mid-June. Did Jim Leyland just not trust his defense? Did he think he could turn Laird's bat around by keeping him in the lineup? Instead, Laird wore down and Ryan become a non-factor.
So what do you think? Is the air thick with desperation around Comerica Park? Would you have liked to see Ramirez remain with the big league club? Is calling up Avila too hasty a move, or does the excitement of getting to see the Tigers' top prospect overshadow that concern?
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Whoa. Avila in Detroit? Interesting. What does this mean if Leyland uses him like he used Dusty Ryan? I don’t see the point in bringing him up if he doesn’t play, so he better be getting 40% of the starts behind the plate.
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by Mike Rogers on Aug 5, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They say there are degrees of desperation...
Well, the Avila call up REEKS of desperation. It’s 3rd degree desperation. It’s Cameron Maybin called up in 2007 style desperation.
I honestly don’t see how Avila fits, unless Laird is going to share playing time. Even then, it’s a stretch to think Avila is ready yet, especially behind the plate. His call up is a head scratcher, to say the very least.
Lambert, on the flip, has earned his call up. Let’s see what he’s got.
by BigAl on Aug 5, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One minor disagreement
Top prospect in the Tigers system is Casey Crosby.
And no, I will not shut up about him until he retires.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 5, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's worth mentioning...
…that Gerald Laird was not brought to Detroit for his offense. He was brought over to work with the pitching staff and control the running game. He has done exactly that. I’m not sure it’s the best idea to have a really young catcher learning on the job during a pennant race. Surely, if they’re trying to tap the farm system for some offense, there are other options (though I HAVE heard that just about every position player in the Tigers’ minors strikes out too much).
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by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 5, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is never acceptable
to be a one dimensional everyday player. Laird has been nothing short of anemic with the bat in his hand.
by BigDaddyJC on Aug 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they are trying to tap into the offensive side of the catcher’s postion (that’s fools gold anyways … nearly all catchers are brutal at the plate and the ones that aren’t are not available), why jettison Dusty Ryan who flashed power and decent patience from the C spot in 2008 and hasn’t even gotten a chance in 2009 (really? 29 PA’s this year? Really?)?
Just don’t get it and do not like the move one bit.
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by Mike Rogers on Aug 5, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they should get
Jose Canseco, he would die for another chance to hit 500 and have another shot at the HOF
by zumayafn on Aug 5, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Desperation has finally set in...
To bad we are now 5 days out from the non-waiver trade deadline. I guess it took these 5 games, after the trade deadline, to realize that this team is imploding. It’s to bad, looks like another second half disaster.
by jryno on Aug 5, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think...
The team is imploding. The failure to score runs consistently is not a new thing. We are just running out of games, and there are limited avenues via which to fix the problem.
by rook34 on Aug 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure....
I don’t actually mind the idea. Ya, we are wasting a option on him, but really what is there to lose? Laird needs some days off (as almost everyone that he has had, he ends up playing in) and if defense is an issue with Avila why not let him tutor some. It won’t work if he doesn’t get off the pine, but…..(I wonder what Skelton is up to….oh, here it is: OPS .579, SLG .238, AVG .182….ya never mind). Ryan and de Pineapple have given us nothing.
No help now, but offensively, if they want anything out of the catcher spot they might as well offer Mauer (yes Wepri!) 150 million dollars in the off season (or trade every player we have Wieters!).
I am not ready to write this off just yet. I could be way off base, but if we were to get someone in a trade after they pass through waivers and we throw in the vague “PTBNL”…maybe someone wanted to get a peek at him? ~ probably not, but….
I think Washburn is allowed a shit steak for an outing. He has never worked with Laird and I am sure he was nervous, wanting to impress.
DD/Mikey, really have a hard job these days. Ya, they want to win (and NOW!), but Detroit already has a huge payroll so they are a little hand tied.
In conclusion, I have not a freaking clue what the hell is going on!
"Stupidity has a certain charm - ignorance does not"
by Zappatista on Aug 5, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Desperation?
Yes.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Aug 5, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably as a bat off the bench and working with the pitchers during practice, until they feel he’s ready to catch in prime time. That’s my theory, for what it’s worth.
"It's designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything is new again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops, and leaves you to face the fall alone". A. Bartlett Giamatti
by densogirl on Aug 5, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I understand either move – Avila isn’t going to benefit from sitting on the bench, and will Lambert, being a starter, help our bullpen, or is the Kid/Battlestar about to get a rest?
These moves only work if 1) Avila and Laird platoon, with better offense from the catcher’s spot as a result; and 2) Lambert is a placeholder, as some seem to think, for Bonderman and/or Robertson, or they slot him in for a turn in Porcello or Galarraga’s spot.
by VATigersFan on Aug 5, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't figure out
Why they don’t want to see what Ramirez can do. We have seen Raburn, Thames, and Magglio this year, and the offense has struggled. Let the kid play for a week and see what happens. Jeez, they gave Don Kelly at bats, why not give Ramirez a real shot?
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by BigJP on Aug 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez isnt ready....
…..He needs more at bats in toledo on a consistenet basis….He wont get that up here
by BennieBladesFan on Aug 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad move
1) People are saying his bat’s ready? His bat’s not ready. He doesn’t have a full season in AA, and his .814 OPS is good for a catcher not really dominating for that classification to be considered big league ready (Streiby at .982 this year can’t earn a call up, Sizemore at .937 before call up, Jeff Frazier, for god sakes, at .846 before call up). The aforementioned Brian Matusz had DOMINATING numbers at AA, and even he may not stick this season.
2) His defense, by all accounts, isn’t ready. The guy was never a full time catcher until the minors. He’s been a full-time catcher for 1.5 years. Great athlete or not, he’s got some things to learn.
3) Green bat, raw defense, what should we do with our top hitting prospect in the system? Oh I know, we’ll put him on the weak side of a platoon for 3 months in the pennant race! This has disaster written all over it.
by The Nicker on Aug 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strieby can't earn a call up because his wrist is constantly putting him on DL
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 5, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
My point wasn’t that Strieby should be called up. My point was that Avila is a great prospect, but at this point he’s not hitting at a level that some guys who are considered lesser prospects are hitting, and that’s at AA.
by The Nicker on Aug 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wont do any better the Ryan....
…..ryan would have been a little better at the plate had he played more then once a week…he would been fine just playing twice a week….Avila isnt going to hit well either up here and I believe that Ryan is better defensivly so I dont really like this move at all
by BennieBladesFan on Aug 5, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this move...
Makes no sense given the time of year. Put an unproven double a kid behind the plate in the heat of a division race? Asking for passed balls and for teams to run on us like we run on aj. I guess dd has run out of ideas.
by rook34 on Aug 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
im reminded of mayor Adam west in the Family Guy
…..on the lil griffins episdoe……Dumb Yes…..Idiotic yes
by BennieBladesFan on Aug 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I smell.. a smelly smell that smells....smelly.
Like desperation.
But I’m fine with it. Let’s throw stuff against the wall, see if it sticks. ChiSox are right on our tail. While they have their own issues, we need to do everything possible to get our damn offense going.
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of a great line
from the original “12 Angry Men” movie, they’re batting around ideas, and one guy says, “Let’s throw it out on the stoop and see if the cat licks it up”
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by ahtrap on Aug 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good reference
one of my all-time favorite films
by BigJP on Aug 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has DD
gone the way of JP Riccardi, and lost his marbles? Or as Leyland had his head on the chopping block earlier in the season, is it DD’s turn now?
by peazgrl on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really know what to say
as I am still getting my bearings with our farm system – I never used to pay attention and I’m trying to remedy that. but I am reading what everyone says.. heh.
by allikazoo on Aug 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda like it...
Avila is playing the most demanding position on the field behind a man who hasn’t had a decent backup all season. That man being Laird who A)can’t hit and B) is getting worn down. This means Avila should get regular playing time. This call up may be a little to soon and Dusty probably didn’t get much of a chance to prove himself, but Alex may be another one of those young gunz that’ll help spark the Tigers offense. Chris Lambert is gonna be fine up here, I don’t have any arguments about him coming up and probably no one else does.
So heres to another possible bat in the line up.
by madpoopz on Aug 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it, the more I hate it . . .
Dusty Ryan had 29 plate appearances. Do you really know what kind of hitter he is after 7 at bats worth of games spaced out over 5 weeks? That’s like saying you could project what kind of hitter Dusty Ryan was after he hit .318 in 50 plate appearnces last year. The only thing I know is this, Ryan’s numbers in AAA this year before he got called
up are pretty much the same as Avila’s numbers in AA:
Ryan (AAA) in 2009: .259/.374/.442/.816
Avila (AA) in 2009: .264/.365/.450/.814
Did I mention Ryan is 24, it’s not like he’s some washed up middle-aged player like
Sardinha. I think Avila is our catcher of the future, and he’s probably our best everyday propsect, ahead of guys like Dusty Ryan, but at this point, I couldn’t disagree with DD more.
by The Nicker on Aug 5, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s ready but I don’t think you can actually look at numbers alone and figure out if someone is ready or isn’t, either. There’s a lot more to it than that.
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 5, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which assumption are we operating under?
That he will be the backup catcher or that he’s meant to supplant Laird as the starting catcher effective immediately?
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either
If he’s going to be a backup, he’s a guy with about a year of pro ball who converted to catcher in college who should probably be squatting behind a plate adding to his experience.
And if he’s going to be a starter, it’s kind of a scary thought that he doesn’t have that experience and he’s entertaining a pennant race.
Maybe he’ll wow us. But that’s a lot of pressure on the kid.
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 5, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well hey, at least Dusty got a chance
Not.
by Tagne13 on Aug 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
we’re going to see a lot of these yo-yos between now and Aug 31, as Dombrowski and Leyland finalize the 40 man roster.
by NCDee on Aug 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the alternative?
I don’t follow the farm system as closely as most on this board, but do they have any other options? Is it simply a choice of Ryan vs. Avila, or is there anyone who’d make it through waivers?
It may be a move of desperation, or it may just be the only moves they have right now. Until about 5 different bats wake up, anyway. If a handful of guys were batting .280 instead of .250, we’d barely notice this.
by Jenius on Aug 5, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ordonez Experiment Has to End!!!
Magglio is done, a hole in the lineup where rallies go to die. Please some protection for Cabrera, because the Tigers are looking alot like the Cardinals. Also, would someone please inform coach McClendon that spraying the ball to all fields will bring more power to the lineup than pulling everything!!! Granderson, Laird, Ordonez, Thames and Inge are getting more and more difficult to watch!!!
by Marcmargolis on Aug 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no concrete numbers to back this up...
But just from observation, in comparison with the rest of the team, Maggs has been one of their hotter hitters of late. That’s not necessarily a good thing. It’s kind of like saying a pitcher who’s pitching at an ERA of 4.99 is your hottest pitcher because everyone else is pitching at 5.73, 6.01, and 7.86.
By the way, if you REALLY wanted to be thorough, you would add Polanco, Cabrera, Guillen, Santiago, Everett, Thomas, and Raburn to that list. Quite frankly, no one’s doing much of anything.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
Rose… <3
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Aug 5, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever they are doing with avila...
It doesn’t start today. Laird in lineup per freep.clete, maggs, and everett with the rest of the usual suspects. Guillen dh.
by rook34 on Aug 5, 2009 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Dont look now 1st place.
Let the skipper work the team.W/o Leyland Tigers no good.One game at a time.
by Robertdogsworld on Aug 5, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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