Game 144: Royals at Tigers
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintKansas City Royals at Detroit Tigers, Sep 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT
Robinson Tejeda (2-1, 3.21) vs. 
Jarrod Washburn (9-8, 3.60), 7:05 p.m. EST
According to our buddy Sam Mellinger, the Royals are in the midst of "the most disappointing season in franchise history." But part of that season was laying a three-game smackdown on the Tigers last week in Kansas City. Can the Tigers get some payback this week in Detroit?
Robinson Tejeda was outstanding against the Tigers in his last start, giving up just three hits, striking out eight batters, and pitching six innings of shutout baseball (out-dueling Justin Verlander in the process). That extended his scoreless streak to 19 innings. Will that streak end tonight? Tejeda has pitched in three games at Comerica Park, compiling a 2.16 ERA in 8.1 innings.
Jarrod Washburn is back in the Tigers' starting rotation after skipping his last turn to rest a sore left knee. No word on whether or not the rest helped, but he's back out there tonight. And in his last start, Washburn allowed three runs and seven hits over five innings to these very same Kansas City Royals. With the Tigers, Washburn is winless at Comerica Park in five starts with a 7.26 ERA.
Placido Polanco gets the night off. As a result, Ramon Santiago starts at second base, while Carlos Guillen bats in the lineup's #2 spot. Also, Magglio Ordonez will reach the required number of plate appearances to trigger his 2010 contract option tonight. So if you really don't want to see this happen, you'd better try to do something before Maggs's third plate appearance.
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Jarrod Washburn goes for the epic
I’ve referred to Nate Robertson as The Exploding Gas Can for sometime now. With this start, Washburn can capture this title.
Everyone hope real hard that he doesn’t.
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All I can hear
Is something chanting the word “doom” in my head… I have a bad feeling about this one.
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lmao for whatever reason that made me just think of the kali ma guy from indiana jones
by ryan_matthews28 on Sep 15, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
That guy died last year(ish). Now I’m depressed cuz he was one of my favorite Bollywood actors.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting Lineups
ROYALS
1. David DeJesus LF
2. Willie Bloomquist RF
3. Billy Butler 1B
4. Miguel Olivo DH
5. Alberto Callaspo 2B
6. Mitch Maier CF
7. John Buck C
8. Alex Gordon 3B
9. Yuniesky Betancourt SS
TIGERS
1. Curtis Granderson CF
2. Carlos Guillen LF
3. Magglio Ordonez RF
4. Miguel Cabrera 1B
5. Aubrey Huff DH
6. Alex Avila C
7. Brandon Inge 3B
8. Ramon Santiago 2B
9. Adam Everett SS
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
I like Guillen in that 2 hole
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Lifetime numbers against respective starts. Remember Tejeda is a kid (that is, minor leaguer).
1. David DeJesus LF (9/28)
2. Willie Bloomquist RF (15/32 .469/.500/.594 shitshitshitshit)
3. Billy Butler 1B (3/14 THERE IS A GOD)
4. Miguel Olivo DH (3/13)
5. Alberto Callaspo 2B (donut/5)
6. Mitch Maier CF (1/4)
7. John Buck C (3/17, color me confused by this choice)
8. Alex Gordon 3B (2/18)
9. Yuniesky Betancourt SS (3/9)
1. Curtis Granderson CF (1/10)
2. Carlos Guillen LF (3/6 .500/.625/.833)
3. Magglio Ordonez RF (2/4)
4. Miguel Cabrera 1B (2/9 shitshitshit)
5. Aubrey Huff DH (donut/6)
6. Alex Avila C (never faced, prediction is 3 GS)
7. Brandon Inge 3B (donut/4 shitshitshit)
8. Ramon Santiago 2B (1/2)
9. Adam Everett SS (donut/5)
Summary: Washburn clearly hasn’t been himself lately, so I expect DeJesus and Bloomquist to be deadly up top. Tejeda had our number and a half last time we saw him but Guillen and Ordoñez both hit him well. Add in Catching Jesus and this should boil down to a good game.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Magglio's 2010 option
kicks in on his third plate appearance tonight.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
I've bought my Little Ceasers Pizza
Have you?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no
But that’s an excellent dinner suggestion.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I don’t feel like sacrificing my awesome parking spot, though I could murder a deep dish HNR right now.
Pizza Hut it will be.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Late breaking news...
Lynn Henning smashed both of Magglio’s kneecaps with a bat in the clubhouse this afternoon.
if he is as out of shape as the writers I have known
He would run out of breath after winding up to smack the first knee and require a rest before smashing.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
i am going to have my post-work nap
and hopefully wake up after wash is out of the game
well ok not really, but whenever I do wake up I hope we’re winning
The bat, maybe?
Polly is 2/8 against Tejeda.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats to Maggs.
But honestly, how funny would it be if some angry fan ran out on the field and tackled him while he was in the on deck circle for his 3rd AB.
I could totally see that happening if he hadn’t had a pretty good 2nd half.
I read somewhere that he is batting .500 this month
good for him. Congrats Maggs. You EARNED your option for next year!
That earns an option?
.500/.558/.553 in September.
Learn to SLG.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s hit well since August, but I don’t know if that is a sign of another season of that level of production.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
From an offensive stand-point,
we’re having a pretty good September — 5.08 runs per game. We had the 3 and under doldrums for a good chunk of the season.
I wish someone aside from Pizza Hut made stuffed crust
Since the rest of the crust is about 1/8" thick.
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well...he was throwing strikes.
And here we go.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can he try pitching right handed?
It can’t be much worse, can it?
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wash simply does not look comfortable.
This has disaster written all over it.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
passed ball, according to game day
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honestly...
Wash does not look much better than willis. Get him off the mound.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
is this some bizarre Wayans movie
where Dontrelle has been dressed up as Jarrod Washburn for the past few weeks?
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if he knee hurts him that much that he can't pitch effectively
Then he shouldn’t be out there.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Sheesh...
Only watching the game on game day…but from the look of where that passed ball was…did he at least hit the bull?
@beckjason appears to have given up on Washburn, too.
He’s not even paying attention!
“Laird, Washburn likely concerned about mixing up their signs here with runner on 2nd. #tigers” ;)
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So, is it still too late to get a refund on Washburn?
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wasn't it an 0-2 count a minute ago?
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epic fail.
Leyland cannot continue to put him on the mound. We have major problems at 4 and 5.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Given the injury problems, Porcello’s innings limit coming quick and Armando Galarraga being no better, I’m not sure what the solution would be.
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He’s already in the rotation at the moment, no?
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this game is one pitch from being over.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His knee *is* bum
Make no mistake about it. We didn’t get a false bill of goods. He was bound to come back to earth after his amazing season in Seattle. No matter where he went, he was going to come crashing down.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate Bump
they need to call him up, why not, if he works and everyone else ends up on the DL anyway, he will be a godsend
I was thinking of Nate Bump too.
My first choice would be Miner though.
by StringTheory on Sep 15, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you just have to put miner out there.
Wash is both injured and lost.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Problem is, Tejeda has our number pretty damn well in this lineup.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey maybe Washburn could take it easy for a while?
Maybe.. sit the next couple starts out? Get that knee better? Maybe? Please?
Maybe.. sit the next couple starts out? Get that knee better? Maybe? Please?I MISS LUKE FRENCH
Luke French stunk to high heaven
So his loss I don’t mourn. However if you rest Washburn for two starts… he wouldn’t end up pitching again until the last game of the season vs. the Twins.
Thanks, but no thanks.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke was a serviceable 5th starter
Washburn has been, well, a gas can for us. He needs some rest man. The guy is a vet, he can handle sitting out for a while and coming back strong.
by explosivo2k2 on Sep 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well, mr french
had an ERA of 5.73 in August, and 12.27 for his one start in September. And the Mariners defense is better. So , it seems to me Washburn wasn’t a real downgrade.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Defensive independent stats have them being equals thus far. Add in another arm from the minors going to the M’s way and we lose the deal. If two things are equal and one is paying a boatload for it while the other isn’t, one’s a winner and one is not.
We are not.
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no matter how much you say I should be
I am not concerned over the loss of Luke French. If the Tigers were going to have to rely on French for the next few years, they’re in deeper shit than we know.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s less about the loss of Luke French and more about the process in general. To me, it doesn’t show the fore-thought that I’d like to see from the front office. Then again, I’m not a general manager of a baseball team.
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this time last year no one even knew the name Luke French
He came from no where, was suddenly a sell-high prospect and the trade didn’t work out for the Tigers. So be it. It goes both ways.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, it’s less about Luke French and more about the process for me. I know I keep coming across as a Luke French fan boy — I’m not. He’s just a No. 5 starter and I even said before the trade happened when looking at the PITCHf/x data he’s a run of the mill LHP that fits into the back-end of a rotation.
However, Detroit failing to see significant regression from Washburn — regression that even without this bad HR luck in Detroit would’ve put him close to Luke French’s level — is my biggest beef. I long for the front office of a Boston Red Sox or Seattle Mariners (not because of the Washburn deal, but because of all the great moves they made in the off-season), so I’m getting kind of fed up with the Dave Dombrowski era.
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There's no rule that says regression has to happen before the end of the season.
He very well could have ended up being an amazing rental.
Instead, we gave up almost nothing for well, nothing.
We gave up nothing for an infinitely more expensive nothing. No. 5 starters still have value and their value lies in their inexpensiveness.
And regression doesn’t always happen, but it does happen more often than not. I don’t know how that can be argued.
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the cost only matters to the person writing the checks
if it wasn’t infinitely more expensive to the Tigers and their owner, it wasn’t infinitely more expensive.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is true, but with a team strapped for cash and a first half that didn’t match attendance projections and numerous albatross contracts, shouldn’t they be looking to maximize their on-field performance in the most monetarily efficient way possible?
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well that depends
we’ll never know what goes on with Ilitch and the meeting of his top Tigers executives.
If the owner is OK with not being efficient this year and won’t “punish” next year’s team for it, then it really doesn’t matter.
Constructing the most cost efficient roster is a fun mind game, but not necessarily how it actually works on a team by team basis.
They carry themselves like a big market team, therefore they are one even if they see some losses. It’s up to their owner to cover the red.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because they carry themselves like a big market team doesn’t mean that is the best way to go about it. I’m not trying to say that “my way” is the best way, because I’m just a 23 year old kid sitting on a laptop at the moment. I just don’t see how someone like Illitch would operate the team like that. Would he operate his pizza chain like that? I doubt it. I know that this is different because he wants to win, but this is, after all, an entertainment business as well.
Saving money by not swapping deck chair for deck chair to serve the same purpose, only getting an older, more expensive one means we have more money to spend on paying off the new car that needs new breaks or buying a nice table for the patio.
I don’t know why I went with a furniture reference.
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Really, who knows what Illitch is thinking
He’s not out to make money off this anymore. He is loaded, he is old, and he wants his damn ring.
I guess my point is that I don’t feel that Dave Dombrowskin and company is the right front office to deliver that ring. Player evaluation has evolved and I don’t get the feeling that Dombrowski is, or has, evolved with it.
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This is true. At it’s core, we have a much, much better front office than Kansas City. Let’s rejoice in that!
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Some see it as waste of funds for, fundamentally, the same thing and others see it as a gamble/push that went bad.
The contract situation is troublesome and Washburn basically being dead weight at this point leads me to question why DD made the trade.
I guess the chance that Washburn would stay close to his wondrous numbers was too great to not take and he made his bet.
In the end we’re really no better or substantially worse than when we started save for the injury bug.
The trade didn’t bear the kind of fruit we wanted so it is time to acknowledge and move on. Illitch is concerned more with winning a World Series ring, especially since he is 80 and his window is closing.
And this is the exact thought process that I have problems with. Why make that gamble? There were clear signs that he was playing over his head at the time of the deal and a regression was possible (not automatic). So, in the end, what does the trade accomplish?
Trades are made to improve the ball club. There were numerous signals that this trade was not going to improve the ball club significantly.
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I certainly did not like the idea of trading for Washburn.
Playing Devil’s advocate here: I think the price of starters for the stretch run was too high for DD’s liking and the cupboard wasn’t exactly overly stuffed so he took a risk hoping Washburn would somehow keep at his unsustainable level.
DD took a risk, a bad risk, and it didn’t work out. Without more information on what other factors lead to this trade all we can do is wring our hands. Hell, maybe DD made this deal just to do something to placate the fans or maybe to try and get another arm to eat some innings.
I’m baffled at why this trade took place at all as well.
I think it was a fair gamble
Otherwise you’ve got Porcello running out of gas at that time. You’ve got rookie French pitching over his head with a small number of major league starts under his belt. And you don’t have a lot of other alternative.
A veteran with playoff experience having a good season, and he doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to trade for?
Take it.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently we eat enough Pizza that Illitch isn't worried about $18mil
So I doubt he’s worried about pocket change that this rental cost.
It’s not just this year. I doubt Luke French was going to be filling the No. 5 spot in Detroit for years to come, but someone is going to be filling it and likely be more expensive than French will be for the next 3 seasons (before he hits arbitration). Money spent is money spent.
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Again, we don't know
Maybe that someone turns out to be Figaro holding down a spot for a year or two while one of the recent young starters they’ve drafted matures. It’s not like French was the only league-minimum option out there. Maybe next year Nate and Bonderman rebound and round out the rotation at no additional cost.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Figaro can very well come in and pitch even better than a No. 5 starter. Or, he could not be a big-league pitcher at all. Who knows.
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And I didn't argue that he wasn't going to regress.
I think it was worth a shot that he a) wouldn’t regress for his next 7-9 starts, or b) wouldn’t regress so…epicly.
I mourn the loss of French puns.
But I tell myself: at least the Tigers never had a GM that said: I think Carlos Silva is worth 48 million over 4 years.
That’s because Randy Smith was gone when Silva hit free agency.
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Luke French has been pretty much identical to Jarrod Washburn. The difference is Wash is giving up a ton of homers while French has walked a boatload. I’d rather have the walks.
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for all you wrestling fans
Washburn = Vince Russo in WCW
By the by, Robinson Tejada won’t be in this game long. I feel a shellacking coming on from the Good Guys.
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bad as his stuff looked...
Its amazing he got three outs.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My money is a ground ball single through the right side!
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Stuck at kids' school openhouse
What the hell is going on??
didn’t someone call Wash the anti-Doyle?
Perfect.
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 7:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No way.
Well, maybe but I’ve had a dislike of him since he was in an M’s uniform and a slight dislike of him when he was an Angel.
haha
sitting on the bench like a little girl, LOL, he’s probably crying like a baby too, LOL
I'm having a hard time deciding which of those is more unlikely.
The world would certainly explode if they both happened.
Limping from his knee and word is he sprained his neck watching balls fly 380+ feet.
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prediction
We’ve seen the end of washburn in detroit.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably
There’s really not much to lose by just cutting him. Would you trust him in a playoff game?
somehow I doubt it
but my goodness is it ugly
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Miner
is showing (beep)burn how you pitch in the majors
If he has a good outing tonight, is there anyway Jim “Jack Houseman” Leyland can keep putting Baby in the corner?
Sorry, felt like putting an ode to Patrick Swayze in here!
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They never use the any adjective to describe player of the game.
One could make it be anything.
by StringTheory on Sep 15, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
your new fourth starter,
Zach miner. I am going to throw up.
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i've said this before
but I don’t think Miner has the endurance at this point of the season. He’s been working too many short shifts in recent months and he doesn’t pitch efficiently enough to be expected to go 5 at this point.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a Photoshop begging to be done
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
someone at the game called me
and said that Washburn was not taken out by Leyland, but was thrown out by the umpire for embarrassing performance, detrimental to a major leaguer
does anyone have Sirius
someone should call Mad Dog radio and ask him what he thinks of the Burn
or i could just call my grandpa and ask him to scream mangled english for 20 minutes
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
one time on Mad Dog
he actually said a that a Yankees slump was due to “the curse of the nerd on public access with the huge penis”, I mean, what?
I’m glad people see the light! ;)
P.S. anyone else see Leno ask Kanye what his mother would think about what he did? Clearly uncomfortable and shocking to hear Leno ask a hard-hitting question like that.
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you weren't watching football?
or, alternatively, exhibition hockey live from the middle of fricken nowhere, British Columbia?
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, c'mon now.
Terrace, BC won the Hockeyville competition!
by frisbeepilot on Sep 15, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I tell you what
By the end of the broadcast I wanted to live there too. BC is beautiful and that area really looked nice. Just, you know, it makes living in marquette feel like i’m near civilization because green bay is only 3 hours away.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was early in the first quarter of the double-header last night. On the whole though, I’m not an NFL fan and much, much prefer college football.
And there was hockey on last night!?
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Canucks-Islanders on the NHL network
so I went with hockey.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn. I knew they were playing but didn’t think to check the NHL Network.
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there you go
we’re back agreeing on things!
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
far too many people
but most of them live south of us.
Well most people live south of me already so that’s beside the point.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No Wings in Atlanta or Charlotte this year
thinking of making a 6 hour trek to Nashville to get a game in
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+1
Go Canes!
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
so I'm joining late
Has Rod figured out it’s Tejeda and not Tejada? He was having some trouble with that last time they saw this guy
Kay... totally just fell asleep
So Washburn blew up again?
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squander
Wash can’t be blamed for that
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 8:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
casey fien
is hillarious, he has the dopiest look I’ve ever seen
I don't understand this!
why not just let Miner keep going. He has the durability to go 5 or 6 innings tonight. why tax the bullpen?
Punishment?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Casey has potential...
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
was a bad reference to the Kanye thing. Just watched that video for the first time. I love the guy, but what a D-bag he can be.
Oh.
Do’h.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But he’s a solid bullpen arm with a decent upside… that he’s not showing.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, at least that dastardly Zach Miner is out of the game!
Seriously, who’s puppy did he kick?
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I hate to have a silver lining
but I suppose I can take some solace in the fact I am starting Tejeda in a couple leagues.
let’s do the math
Without you, they were losing 0-4
with you, they were losing 0-3.
so keep watching. you’ll help keep the Royals under 25 runs.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got in to see that 3 run homer
The bright side is I didn’t see the Washburn debacle
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
over and out
And bonine goes tomorrow. And grienke goes thursday. Ouch. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for why miner was pulled?
by rook34 on Sep 15, 2009 8:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Miner wins start in rotation by default
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd have to think so
He deserves to start over Washburn the Bum.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably wasn’t stretched out. He threw 28 pitches and they may need him if Washburn’s not able to go anymore in September.
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Maybe Ernie can give us 5 innings tomorrow?
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Question about Washburn trade:
Did Seattle have to “sell” the idea of trading Washburn to Detroit, or did Detroit just aproach them with an offer? I’m wondering if D’s FO should be pissed at Seattle’s FO for lying about Washburn’s longevity, or instead, if D’s FO should just pissed at themselves for overestimating said longevity.
by Blueberry_Icecream on Sep 15, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20
I didn’t think it was a horrible trade at the time. I don’t think you could predict that Washburn was going to completely go off a cliff like this.
+1
Even those who were wary about the trade (I was a little) thought he’d just regress to 3rd-4th starter territory.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20 and I’ve already made my feelings on the deal well documented (even in this game thread) so I don’t want to get back into it. I thought it was a push at the time of the deal; still do.
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Oh, no, I didn't mean debate the decision after we've seen the results...
What I meant was, did Seattle do any “convincing” to get Detroit to do this trade, or did Detroit just approach Seattle out of the blue with an offer?
Did Seattle call up Detroit and say we got this awesome pitcher who’ll totally be your post season mvp, and all we want is your so-so rookie and this so-so minor leaguer.
Or did Detroit call up Seattle and say, we want so-so Washburn and we’ll give you future cy youngs French and Robles?
Or did Seattle call up Detroit and plainly say, hey, we’’ll give you washburn for french and robles, waddayasay? Or did Detroit plainly say to seattle, we’ll give you french and robles for washburn, how bout it?
I’m just wondering if any salesmanship was required to complete initiate this trade. thx
by Blueberry_Icecream on Sep 15, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I have no idea. I don’t think anyone in the public is privy to that information.
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Haha, saw that earlier. Cracked me up. Then I felt bad.
Then I laughed some more.
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how is Casey Fien from California?
He has to be from the deep south with that expression he has, he looks like Ernest P Worrell
So the baseball is a non-starter today
Random topic of discussion: anyone else really want to see Jennifer’s Body?
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No. Not at all. I’d questions anyone’s sanity that does.
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I dunno
I’m personally hoping it’s such a trainwreck that it becomes hilarious.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I wouldn’t pay money to see a potential train wreck, though.
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Meh
Seven bucks for something that could be an epic cult movie on par with Snakes on a Plane? I’ve spent it on worse movies (The Village, Yes Man).
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't pay to see it
that’s for sure
by Detroit4lyfe on Sep 15, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What's it about?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That does look good
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it written by Diablo Cody?
Juno was okay in the theatre but 10 minutes later my friend and I who watched it with me immediately went into full dislike mode.
It is
The problem is that she writes strong scripts, but Megan Fox can’t act to save her life. This is where I think teh funny will come into play.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
She's supposedly known for it anyways.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me about it
I went to see the Village over Anchorman when they were both in theaters. Talk about stupid.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't say that I am going to stick around to find out.
"Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible."
Inge?
Maybe they’ll stick Avila on the mound. He’ll throw a no-hitter for 4 innings.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Ordonez- keep his option from vesting! Nobody ever said nothin about IP.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I overdoing the worrying?
One part of me says that Wash being done loses us the division. The other part says he was gone already anyway.
Looking at the schedule, I’m terrified.
I think I lean more toward the latter
They’ve gotten to this point in spite of Washburn.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming into tonight Detroit had:
An 88% chance of winning the division.
89% chance of winning the division.
87% chance of winning the division.
86% chance of winning the division.
I’ll take those odds with or without Washburn.
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+1
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
“I don’t even know how these statistics are calculated. When you watch baseball every day your eyes tell you who’s a play off team and who isn’t.”
-May or may not be a direct quote.
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then I hope the Royals represent the AL Central well this year!
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If OBP was so important they'd show it on the scoreboard.
I believe Jeff Francoeur gave us that gem.
Best thing is: Atlanta’s scoreboard has OBP on it.
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wouldn't it be nice if we were older
then we wouldn’t have to wait sooo long …
I have no clue where it came from. Just like BAM I’m singing “wouldn’t it be nice” to myself.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
pure pop goodness!
and yet it’s not like I actually listen to them.
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Hooray!
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Magg’s about to do something fancy for his $18 mil PA.
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Who the hell is Dusty Hughes?
Are they just putting random pitchers out there now?
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Clearly the antidote to the beast with a baseball bat that is Dlugach!
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I think the only way we get anything from the Washburn deal......
This weekend we play him as a position player and at his first at bat, turns and KOs Mauer with the bat. For real, 8-1 against the freaking Royals?
Beanballs for Mauer and Konerko
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by David Tokarz on Sep 15, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How big do Clete’s eyes get when he realizes he can’t find a line drive in the air?
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We should all get Arby’s and the bill sent to J-Wash!
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11-1, I'm beginning to get discouraged
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
well I am going to the liquor store
I shall return, though I don’t really expect any of you to still be around. ha
It was so hot in Traverse City yesterday
I saw a dog chasing a cat and they were both walking.
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
I'm as disgusted with Washburn...
as i’ve been with anyone in a long, long time. Sometimes, a professional athlete is so awful you wish he’d just give up his game check.
hey, at least he only gave up 4 of the runs
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's probably just his personality...
but it doesn’t appear that his struggles since arriving here are bothering him all that much.
judging a player based on what you see on tv is seldom useful
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If I based my opinion of Jeremy Bonderman solely on his demeanor and body language I would hate his guts.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello
This is a bit late, but is it not considered bad form to swing at a 3-0 pitch when your team is leading 8-1 in the seventh inning?
Also, why is our pitching downright atrocious against the Royals all of a sudden? We looked better against the Yankees, for crying out loud.
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Apparently Royals have a tougher lineup
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, swinging 3-0 when you have a huge lead is bad form.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought so
Hopefully that’ll piss the Tigers off enough that they’ll play angry (and well) tomorrow.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah! Another reason to hate this BW3 commercial
I just realized this: The announcer says they’re in the bottom of the ninth, and yet the HOME TEAM is pitching.
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Mahoney sort of reminds me of Washburn
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
COTN.
You can give it to yourself, right?
by StringTheory on Sep 15, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My high school principal was named Mahoney
One of his kids was in my class.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he wearing a suicide belt also?
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate BW3 because I don't understand
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never understood that either
And I’ve never been to a BW3s, for the record.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BWW wasn't bad before it went corporate.
Many fine memories from the one that used to be in the basement of the parking structure in East Lansing. It’s pretty much crap now.
Ah, I spent quite a few Sunday evenings there
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I walked past it many times on my way home
but never went to it
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I never even heard of them until I went to college
Then I came back up here after I graduated and all of a sudden they were here too.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
In its original incarnation...
it was Buffalo Wild Wings and Weck, hence BW3. Not sure what Weck is.
I always just hear it called b-dubs, which does make sense.
And their sauce great, if they actually put enough on.
The site's really slow tonight
Of course, I’m on a different computer than the one I normally use.
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It's slow for me too.
If I refresh, things slow down right when the LG ad loads.
by StringTheory on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow, as in moving slow for you, or slow discussion?
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, flying fine here
even if our spirits aren’t
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Both
But I meant slow-moving. It might be the ad in the background too.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Typically I agree with you
…but Ian is like, right here.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not
It’s basically a background wallpaper of an LG phone
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What would be a fair trade for Washburn today
assuming there are no trade deadlines and whatever
I’d have to say a medium french fry, or maybe an icee
I should be studying, and yet I am here, and here I shall remain
My loyalty knows no bounds.
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Now batting: Dusty Ryan
It’s as if 1000 cable boxes suddenly cried out, then were suddenly powered off.
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Oh, come on, he's not THAT bad
It’s not like he’s Dane Sardinha.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sardines: .097 bigs, .178 AAA
Dusty Cobwebs: .160 bigs, .257 AAA
While the numbers show a difference… I honestly don’t know which I’d rather have on the bench. At least Sardines can defend.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Struck out swinging bases loaded.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just about everyone of note was out of the game by the time I got home
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably within a few days, from
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Probably within a few days, from (INSERT MEDIA OUTLET)
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Turn around
you don’t have enough whiskey.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nitpicking of a BW3 commercial
And I got home.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yanks getting beat up by BJays now
The world is a mysterious place
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
So does anyone have a well-thought, educated theory on why Royals hitters have solved every last Tiger pitcher?
Cuz Rod Allen and Jim Price sure don’t.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, we had a pitcher go scoreless?
Must have thrown 2 pitches.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that if Eddie Bonine doesn't give them quality innings tomorrow...
…We’ll be likely to see, I don’t know, Ramon Santiago or Brent Dlugach pitching the ninth.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Tigers have not beaten the Royals since I saw them beat the Royals in person :-(
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
I am in need of funds and transportation
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
After tomorrow's coming debacle, the bullpen will be wasted
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
I think Rick Knapp needs to pull an all-nighter and come up with a new pitching scheme against KC
Cuz the one he has now ain’t working.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Against the Twins on Saturday
The Tigers have TBA going against Pavano.
Go TBA! He’s a likely worthy replacement for Washburn.
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by StorminNormanCash on Sep 15, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Saturday was JV's spot?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we've all figured out now that the Royals are determined to finish the season by being a pain in the ass
Just like they do EVERY September.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
meh. shit happens
we haven’t had a BAD night like this in awhile. disasters, sure, but I don’t remember any other blowouts like this, in 2009.
or maybe I just blocked them out. anyway. tomorrow will be better. I gots faith
That crappy 10-0 game against the Yankees comes to mind
But that was back in April, back when Brandon Lyon couldn’t pitch.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.
I’m just saying, we’ve had a great year. this stuff happens once in awhile. this is a terrible and scary time for it, but I refuse to lose my mind over it.. at least I won’t tonight.
I'm not gonna stress over it...
…but I’d prefer it’d NOT happen right before going up against Minnesota, against whom we have NOT pitched well against all year.
And for some reason, up until last night, I thought the Tigers were going to Cleveland this weekend and THEN the Metrodome after that. And I won’t have time to finish my slideshow on the Metrodome in time :-(
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's set to Orff's Carmina Burana
My screencaps aren’t the greatest, though.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile, the Rangers have forgotten how to pitch and score runs as well :-(
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
And it's time to shut down the baseball portion of the evening.
Twins up 5-3. Two innings to Nathan.
The lead is now 5 in the loss column.
"Hot 'n Ready three-run homer"
That made me laugh, for some reason.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 15, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, I'm gonna switch browsers and see if that helps allieviate the slowness.
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