Washburn Washed Out For the Season?
Considering that Jarrod Washburn couldn't pitch more than one inning last night because of his damaged left knee, it's not much of a surprise that FOXSports.com's Jon Paul Morosi is reporting that Washburn's season might be over.
Here's a post-game quote:
"It's definitely not getting better," [Washburn] said. "All I'm doing is hurting the team by going out there. We've tried everything. I don't know if there's more that we can try. Nothing's worked."
Lynn Henning explains the problem a bit more in today's Detroit News. Washburn's knee had been sore previously (though MRI exams found no structural damage). But last night, it actually swelled up. That hadn't happened before. According to Washburn, the pain is on the inside of his knee.
Trainer Kevin Rand recommended to Jim Leyland that Washburn be taken out after that first inning, wanting to prevent further injury not just to his knee, but possibly to his arm. I'm betting Leyland was already thinking the same thing after watching him limp around, though.
Morosi mentioned in his report, however, that the Tigers were indeed "fully aware" of Washburn's knee problems when they made the trade for him.
Leyland made something of an understatement in his post-game presser, saying "Right now, it doesn't appear that he's pitchable." Washburn himself says he has "no guess" as to whether he could pitch again, adding that the Tigers probably wouldn't want him out there like this.
So if Washburn is finished for the year, who will replace him?
Zach Miner isn't an option, as Leyland considers him "too valuable in the bullpen." (Leyland loves having that sinkerballer available in relief.) It might come down to either Nate Robertson or Armando Galarraga again, depending on who's healthy enough to pitch.
If Robertson's groin feels better by the time Washburn's next turn comes up (Sunday in Minnesota), he could get the call. Galarraga's elbow is still bothering him, however, which is why he wasn't used last night.
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The Tigers were aware of Washburn's knee problems?
I can’t even properly express my disappointment. I have heard that they knew before but this seriously just makes things worse to have it confirmed.
by 13194013 on Sep 16, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It definitely is disappointing
Remember when we traded for him every media outlet was saying this was an amazing trade for us and could put us over the hump? And, I mean, it did look great.
I don’t put much stock into what the Tigers may have known when making the trade because Washburn was still pitching great. If they knew, I’m sure they thought, if this is how he can pitch with a knee problem, then I can’t wait to see how he does for us if it gets healthy. No? It could have gone one of two ways and perhaps the Tigers thought it would get better.
And remember we didn’t give up much to “rent him” for a few months. Yeah, it might hurt us in the future with the young guys, but that Minor Leaguer means nothing to us right now and Luke French is pitching just as bad, if not worse.
by Detroit4lyfe on Sep 16, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disappointing indeed...
to hear that we were aware of the problem.
Playoff likelihood under 80% as of this morning. Eddie and the bats need to come up big tonight. Or things could go south in a hurry. This team has been able to stop the slide every other time this season. With the health issues, and Grandy and Miggy completely invisible, I’m not sure they can stop this thing from going off the rails.
Perhaps the Royals will cooperate and have a stinker tonight.
by rook34 on Sep 16, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
blah
I know many teams deal with problems like this at the end of the year when players are hurting and tired, but it’s just such a let down after things going fairly well most of the year. obviously no one cares whether I have 2 cents to add on the ‘who will pitch’ debacle, but I really have no clue.
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by allikazoo on Sep 16, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you have that problem, too?
If this is the alternative to having a background LG ad, I prefer the background LG ad.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got that problem too...
and it’s pissing me off.
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by madpoopz on Sep 16, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what to do
Is a 4-man rotation the way to go?? Verlander-Jackson-Porcello-Bonine? I can’t believe these arms, with the exception of Bonine, won’t be shot by October anyway. I mean what is the sense of throwing Galaraga, Robertson out there, if Miner is just going to come in in the 3rd anyway. They could at least go 4-man until they clinch the Cental, if they clinch.
by tspang75 on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was Leyland joking...
About Zach Miner being “too valuable in the bullpen” (i say, doing air quotes)?
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 16, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leyland has a perpetual fantasy of bringing Miner in with men on base late in the game and immediately getting the 6-4-3 groundball
The thing is, it rarely happens that way.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if Miner was pitching to the Tigers it would.
Our batters love a good 6-4-3…
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Nate is healthy, he's probably the best choice
If he’s not, I don’t see how you’d be able to get around starting Miner. I’m not saying stick him in the rotation long-term, just on Sunday and then use the off-day Monday to give somone else time to heal up. Likely that “someone” would be Nate. Galarraga has said that his elbow is okay enough that he can give maybe two innings of effective relief, but that it flares up again if he goes much beyond that (His relief appearance against the Blue Jays would seem to support this statement, and I appreciate the fact that he is finally being honest about the injury, though I would be more appreciative had he owned up to it when the problem first started—like, say, in June), so it’s unlikely that they’d be able to get him back into starter mode.
And so Jarrod Washburn joins the likes of Jeremy Bonderman, Kenny Rogers, Todd Jones, Fernando Rodney, Armando Galarraga, Nate Robertson, and Joel Zumaya as pitchers who don’t seem to realize that they’re not very effective if they pitch hurt.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun...
In your opinion, whose rotation is more screwed-up right now: ours or the Dodgers’? They’ve had injury problems with Clayton Kershaw and Randy Wolf (though Wolf did start last night), and their erstwhile ace Chad Billingsley has had an awful second half. They’ve been having to rely on guys like Vicente Padilla and Jon Garland.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We've been having to rely on guys like Robertson, Galaraga and Washburn
You were saying?
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Sep 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figaro's back
It would be wonderful if he could start, but Beck sounds unsure. The extra arm should do us good though.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Sep 16, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this would make me happy.
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by mrsunshine on Sep 16, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we still call up guys from the minors?
if so, get another arm up
by RudeMood19 on Sep 16, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
twins jump out 1-0.
Tribe walked mauer and cuddyer made them pay.
by rook34 on Sep 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
blown open in mpls,
4-0 twins. No help from the tribe.
by rook34 on Sep 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Shut him down if he's hurting
maybe come playoff time he’ll be a factor… as long as they make the playoffs that is!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 16, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Tigers sign him for next year?
by MrPants20 on Sep 16, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not Bonderman?
I know Leyland said he would not start Bonderman but circumstances have changed. If Bonderman is healthy, he should be the addition to the rotation. He knows what it is like to pitch under pressure in a pennant race.
by Richgreer on Sep 16, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bondo could start a game
but by the third inning you’re looking at using a reliever because he hasn’t gone more than 2 innings since his rehab stint began. The most pitches he’s thrown since returning to the team is 21.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bondo, Washburn, Robertson, Miner, Fiagaro, Dtrain even,
what’s the difference? We only have 3 good starters…..
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Sep 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any chance of making a late trade or waiver claim?
I know they wouldn’t be able to help in the postseason, but if they could help get us INTO the postseason, I’m all for it.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
MLB At-Bat has Gavin Floyd pitching tonight AND tomorrow for the White Sox.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We only have 3 good starters - - -
Lots of teams would be happy to have 3 good starters. The problem is that our 4th and 5th starters are not just weak – they are very weak. Nonetheless, I would bet money on Bondo being the most likely to step up to the challenge. He is a fighter! My second choice is Robertson if he is healthy. Both of these guys know what it is like to win.
by Richgreer on Sep 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, with the exception of Figaro, everyone VegasTigers mentioned knows "what it is like to win"
Bondo, Robertson, and Miner were all on the ’06 team. Armando won 13 games last year. D-Train has won 22 games in a season, and both he and Washburn have postseason experience. But the fact remains that Bonderman is not stretched out into a starter, nor did the Tigers plan to stretch him out. Right now the only one who is healthy and can give you innings is Miner.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 16, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know if you've noticed this
but the fourth and fifth starters have been a weakness all season and yet the Tigers lead by 4 games.
Nothing’s changed. Except maybe the guy starting in place of Washburn is better than him. Because you sure can’t be worse.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, now we're going to find someone worse.
All because you said we can’t get worse.
by 13194013 on Sep 16, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
twins 4 back....
Another win. Tribe left an army on the basepaths. We need this win tonight in the worst possible way.
by rook34 on Sep 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else freaking out a little bit about the Twins?
just a little, but the seeds have been planted, the memories of the stretch in 06, the utter inability to beat the Kansas City Royals, the fact that the Twins are within 4 games, pending the outcome of tonight’s game, the fact that we’re travelling to the Metrodome this weekend (I have half a mind to say eff it to my weekend plans and run over to the Twin Cities).
Getting a wee bit jittery here. Gotta beat those Royals tonight.
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by ahtrap on Sep 16, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been jittery!!
The writing is on the wall. I have had this feeling since the Royals swept us in KC The Twins can sweep us and be 1/2 game out of first place when it is all said and done with!!
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Sep 16, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have been panicking for awhile.
So no, you are not alone.
by rook34 on Sep 16, 2009 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Our pitcher tonight has an era over 7
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Sep 16, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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