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It's the last off-day on the regular season schedule.  After today, it's 13 straight games to the end of the season, 10 of which will be against the White Sox and Twins.  The Tigers won the finale of their weekend series at Minnesota, preventing this from becoming an Off-Day Therapy open thread. 

Detroit has a three-game lead in the AL Central.  Their magic number to clinch is 11.  So how are you feeling about the rest of this season? 

Let's do some "BYOBYB," the open thread where you can discuss anything you'd like.  Possible topics could include:

  • Should Jim Leyland just make Ryan Raburn the full-time left fielder?
  • Would you like to see Alex Avila get some at-bats as the DH against right-handed pitching?
  • Has Nate Robertson already pitched his way into a possible postseason rotation, if a fourth starter is necessary?

Are you interested in a possible BYB Meet-Up next season?  If so, post a comment in our thread and weigh in on a possible date.  And if you're new to the BYB neighborhood, say hello in our Introduce Yourself thread.

Of course, with the White Sox and Twins beginning a three-game series tonight, this might also turn into something of a GameThread for that. 

It's up to you, BYB Bunch.  Enjoy your off-day!

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Go...um...Sox?

So many times this year I would see them playing each other have to stop and find out who was ahead of who. Hopefully the Sox sweep them at home…but at the same time…let’s not let them get TOO much confidence from it…

by 42jeff on Sep 21, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm interested to see

what this rookie Hudson has to offer. He’s only 22 yrs old and is making his 1st ML start. I hope the Sox take two of three and beat up the Twins ‘pen a bit. Just as long as the Twins don’t sweep, I’m happy.

Then again, if the Tigers take care of business in Cleveland, it won’t matter all that much.

Tigers Tracks

by BigJP on Sep 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to the game

on MLB.com, It’s nearly as important as a Tiger game right now, plus I won’t have to get that sickly feeling if things don’t go our way. A victory by the Sox is a bonus tonight.

Baseball Geek

by StorminNormanCash on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i hear you...

It is nice to watch a game where that sickly feeling is impossible to get. Watched Cubs-Cards last night just for the fun of watching baseball, although I didn’t care about the outcome.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Some thoughts
  • Should Jim Leyland just make Ryan Raburn the full-time left fielder?

No. We will not win the playoffs if Carlos is not hitting.
Let him play and he will find his groove. His upside is still WAY HIGHER
that Raburn (against RHP). Carlos was clutch in ’06 playoffs (our most
consistent hitter) and I think he can get close to that.

    * Would you like to see Alex Avila get some at-bats as the DH against right-handed pitching?

Only in the rare case that Cabrera gets a day off, in which case Aubrey can play 1b
and Avila DH. Otherwise, Aubrie is the veteran hitter that needs to hit if we are
to make noise. Let him play and find his groove (see above w.r.t. Guillen).

I would, however, like to see Avila play more as a C against RHP. Laird has been
tremendous, but against teams like the White Sox, KC, Indians who do not run that
much, let Avila play!!! I understand why Laird would play against Minnesota.

    * Has Nate Robertson already pitched his way into a possible postseason rotation, if a fourth starter is necessary?

If he stays healthy, then yes. I think he has the potential to be #3.
He has the experience and Porcello’s arm has been used way more
than it ever has. Yankees have tons of left handed hitters and Yankee
stadium will be tough on a youngster (no matter how mature he is).
Note that I am assuming that Wash is not going to pitch. If Wash pitches,
then Robertson will be used out of the pen, IMHO.

by Tigersin2010 on Sep 21, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Carlos

I agree we need him—but it doesn’t follow that we need him in left field.

Even though I am familiar with the theories of Professor Sheffield, I don’t necessarily agree that playing the field is crucial to hitting well (and I’m sure it varies from player to player).

Carlos ’09 in LF (126 PA): .202 .302 .404 .705
Carlos ’09 as DH (139 PA): .254 .338 .369 .707

The real choice may end up being not Raburn vs Carlos, but Raburn vs Huff—in other words vs a RHP do you play Carlos in LF and DH Huff, or do you play Raburn in LF and DH Carlos. I would have gone with the latter until recently, but now that Huff is starting to hit that changes things. I’d go with Carlos over Huff at DH though, unless there’s a specific pitcher match-up issue. (For one thing Huff must be an awful baserunner; Lamont might as well just put on a red vest that says STOP when he gets on base).

At this point in the season I’d rather have Raburn vs RHP than Clete.

by ColemanOld on Sep 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 13 games left?

excuse me whilst i go sob and rock in the fetal position.

by wepri31 on Sep 21, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Magic Numbers

“Detroit has a three-game lead in the AL Central. Their magic number to clinch is 11. So how are you feeling about the rest of this season?”

I feel quite confident that we will win the division (except sometimes when I’m in the process of actually watching us play…then I’m anxious…)

Our magic number is 11. The juggernaut that is the New York Yankees has a magic number of 9. As in only 2 games lower than ours. Is anyone here seriously considering that Yankees won’t win the East? Well our odds aren’t all that much worse.

by ColemanOld on Sep 21, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...which feed to watch?

I generally prefer to watch the feed of the team that I want to win, but I can’t stand Hawk.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't specify and I got hawk.

whatever, I’m doing other things at the same time… so I should be able to tolerate him haha

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

All part of the obnoxious charm of U.S. Cellular Field, I suppose

I like fireworks, but they belong after the game, not every time your team hits a home run, especially in a launching pad like the Cell.

I elected to go with Hawk. If he gets too unbearable, I can always switch to Dick Bremer and Bert Blyleven.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swine flu.

Lots of people here have it.

by wepri31 on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the first time I've ever seen a bloop triple

Of course, Jermaine Dye diving for the ball probably wasn’t a good idea.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Figures

Hudson made a nice pitch to get Mauer out with a runner at third and one out without the run scoring, and AJ Pierzynski has a passed ball on the very next pitch.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Wisdom from Ozzie today, courtesy the Tribune...

“The White Sox and Detroit beat themselves. The Twins don’t.”
while stating that he likes the Twins’ division chances.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

if by beat themselves

he means “have no discernible way of scoring runs,” sure.

I think he’s rooting for the Tigers and giving them locker room material, haha

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie's longstanding unabashed love for the "pirahnas" is strange.

The Sox have a far more contentious and nasty history with the Twins than they do with us.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they imitating the way Ozzie says it, or can they honestly not pronounce it correctly?

It sounds like “pirañas” when they say it.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking my chances with him

If he gets to be unbearable I’ll switch to the other feed

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe it’s just me, but I love Ozzie and wouldn’t change a thing about him.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ozzie, but I don't have to be around him every day.

He grates on that team in a huge way by the end of the season.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might make him our manager...

Or move him to another division. But I guess that’s not really “about him”, more a function of his job.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just freaked out by Pearl Jam as a whole

I can’t understand Eddie Vetter.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

I meant literally. I cannot understand the words that come out of Eddie Vedder’s mouth, especially live. He’s worse at enunciating than Kurt Cobain.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhat?

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

Not a typo correction… I meant to challenge your assertion that you can understand what Eddie Vetter says.

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by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some songs you can.

When he gets into that fast singing thing, forget it.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Never really got into Pearl Jam as much as, say, Nine Inch Nails or Incubus.

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by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above

You can understand their lyrics.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pearl Jam...

the last time I liked their music must have been 1994? Actually, maybe 1993.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the later stuff is pretty good.

Went way under the radar. The new albums are really just an excuse for them to tour. Not a huge fan but I do like to see ’em live.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, with the exception of Soundgarden.

They had a couple albums left in them. Then the drummer joined Pearl Jam and that was it.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

never much into Soundgarden myself

but Alice in Chains kept me won over the longest of the batch. STP and Scott Weiland hung on pretty well and then, well, sucked bad.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I blame them for drab-rock

After AIC — which were great — you had the likes of Staind and Nickelback, which I’m glad are long dead and gone.

…wait, Nickelback is still putting out records? Holy hell.

by frisbeepilot on Sep 21, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

True story...

after Saturday’s debacle, my wife and I went out for dinner. The first song that came on was Nickelback. I immediately said that there is no way I can handle Nickelback after something like that.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

STP wasn't really grunge

They were much more diverse.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez

The White Sox walk Nick Punto too. WTF?

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Does he have no out pitch?

He got ahead of Young, Punto, and Span, and walked all of them.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, dear, Jermaine Dye is still in a slump, apparently

Does that scare anyone else just a little bit?

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I am quite

bothered by the fact the Twins are winning 2-0. I know its only the second inning, however ……

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Sox threaten but do not score

Ah that’s vaguely familiar

Baseball Geek

by StorminNormanCash on Sep 21, 2009 8:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So is this

The Red Sox are currently doing to Lenny DiNardo what you’re supposed to do to Lenny DiNardo. We can’t have that. We need the Royals to stay hot.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darn internets!

I’m watching on my iPhone because the internets don’t work so good in Traverse City. 3 inch screen hard on the old man’s eyes

Baseball Geek

by StorminNormanCash on Sep 21, 2009 8:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

multitasking:

Watching Miami because I love their offense. (Props to the Menominee football team for running it beautiful for years and years before this).

Watching the White Sox.

Trying to write an essay for my blog.

The last on the list is so far losing.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Patty

I didn’t see you respond to our BYB game plans?

Tammy

by VegasTigers on Sep 21, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

uh huh

actually I voted for July 4th, but failed to post something in the thread. I am excited to go.

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know

I’d like to know how Minnesota went through the entire season with average-to-mediocre pitching and all of a sudden they’re pitching better than anybody.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it has to do with

lack of scoring ability

mixed starting pitching after Buerhe and Danks

bullpen with disappointing results lately

but I haven’t verified that closely

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Sox score only...

when they hit the ball over the fence. The bombs have dried up.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opinions, please.

Quentin a one year wonder or is he just having a bad year due to pitchers adjusting to him and the injuries?

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough to tell

I don’t want to really make an assessment until I see what he does next year, even though I don’t care for him, there are guys I DO like who are in the same position.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have plantar fascitis.

I do not know how he even can run with it.

Tammy

by VegasTigers on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say career year

I thought the Sox were nuts for trading for him and they proved me wrong. For a year, anyway.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the thing. No one in the bigs had anything good to say about him...

then he went out and did what he did in ‘08. Weird. That doesn’t happen often.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

without a healthy season this year

you can’t say for sure. I just don’t think his track record showed that he had 2008 in him. He’s still a decent player, but maybe not THAT decent.

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sox are going to be one interesting outfit in '10.

Peavy for a full year. Rios for a full year. No Thome, likely no Dye, possibly no Konerko. They could be great or they could be really bad.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and by the way...

White Sox suck at defense

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

What happened?

I left the room

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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh

Getz has leadoff single, and Skeletor immediately does the GIDP

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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm

airborne toxic event in a buick commercial?

well, a band’s got to make money.

but buick?!

Mack Avenue Tigers

by Kurt Mensching on Sep 21, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Stirrups or no...

Carrasco wasn’t very effective

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO, those shorter ones look better than the really high stirrups

I’m not sure about Orlando Cabrera, but they look good on Ubaldo Jimenez

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh.

rangers are on! and they are winning already!

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

I was about to lament the lack of Pudge in the lineup, but he DID catch all three games in that Angels series. Even he needs a break once in a while (though he’d never admit it).

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

It’s the seventh inning, and Nick Blackburn has only thrown 84 pitches.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

U GUISE

guess who we’re facing tomorrow!!!!!!!!

laffey :)

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The very last piece of the old Tiger Stadium was torn down @ 9:24 pm, it is no more

When I was a small girl you could see the lights from the stadium glowing in the night sky, I will miss it. The corner of Trumbull & Michigan will never be the same. The stadium was there my whole life.

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Very sad, indeed. Really wish they’d done it back in 2000. The decade of it just sitting there made it far sadder than it needed to be.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was only there once

I was 13. It was our eighth grade field trip, and the game was in a rain delay for two hours before being postponed, so I mostly spent the time running around the tunnels and I was mad because our teacher would not let us get Cal Ripken’s autograph. (I did get autographs from a couple Tigers though, and I identified the signatures years later as Justin Thompson and Omar Olivares).

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time I go downtown

I take Michigan, it’s just much easier than maneuvering the freeway. I have been looking at that place ever since I can remember. I am not sure what they will be putting there, but it looks so strange; almost like a rural setting.

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first trip, I was 8.

Rick Leach homered to right, upper deck. Ball bounced off my shoulder. Security guard gave me the ball.

I was hooked for life.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

1968

is my earliest memory… the world series rally. All the grown ups were drunk, dancing in the streets kissing each other and so on, it’s one of my earliest memories. I would like something like that to happen again in my lifetime. Oh say in about 6-7 weeks would be perfect…

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 1984

I was working in a sports bar, fending off the drunkards after we won, so that memory is not as pleasant for me

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to ask my dad about those.

I know he’s told me where he was/what he was doing but I can’t remember

I do know that when I was born he told the nurse “I haven’t been this happy since the tigers won the world series in 1968”

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My pop was in the left field stands for the Series clincher in '84.

He came out after the game and his friend’s car was gone. Another friend had to go and get them.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh no!

I know my dad was still in michigan for ’68, but we were living in new jersey in ’84… I think.

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

in 2006

I had tickets for Game 6 of the World Series.

I’ll never get over it.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet

on kind of the same and ironic note (not that any of you probably remember) I had tickets to go see Lynard Skynard when the plane crashed, they were supposed to be coming to Detroit on their tour about a month after the plane went down….

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another add-on run.

Guess I’ll have to settle for Hawk cramming it tonight.

Hopefully Mr. John Danks (as Ozzie insists on calling him) is sharp tomorrow night. He’s been thei

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

erin

are you laughing at them making fun of gonzalez’s “back scratching”? haha

No Run Support

by allikazoo on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I assume you mean on the Rangers game?

Sorry, I was in the other room watching Headlines on Jay Leno. I shall turn on the Rangers game now.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate TWINS

meh, I may as well go to bed, gnite all.

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good night.

Still 3 back in the loss column. We take care of business tomorrow, we’ll feel a lot better.

by rook34 on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

On an up note

we are 11 and 4 vs Cleveland this year, so now I can sleep easier…… g’nite, again

by Detroitchik on Sep 21, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's now 12-9 KC

The really amazing thing is that I don’t think Kansas City got their first hit until the fifth inning. And if they hang on to win, they will pull ahead of Cleveland by a half-game.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I'm off to bed

I’m working tomorrow night and Wednesday night, which means I’ll be joining the Game Threads late. Feel free to use the Ewoks in my stead should they be needed!

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I see the White Sox rolled over and played dead for the twinkies tonight

what are the odds that they do the same for the Tigers later this week? None? Slim?

Official BYB Juju Consultant...now accepting rally creature applications!

by ahtrap on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

So yeah, it's about 4 AM right now

I just got done with my homework and I’m going to bed soon (hah, welcome to college—sleep optional) but I was checking my email quickly before bed and got an email telling me about an outing with my residence hall to go see the Tigers (vs. CWS) October 4th. For 12 bucks. Yes, I am going to the last game of the regular season for $12 with some people I live near. HOW AWESOME IS THAT. I get to go to another ballgame this year! I just got so excited (amplified by how late it is) and had to share with people who would understand. Now, to pass out for six hours.

by kendra.michelle on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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