Two Hits is Enough: White Sox 2, Tigers 0
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 25, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
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The Detroit Tigers got a preview of what facing the Chicago White Sox could be like for the next three or four seasons. Unfortunately, the Tigers are very much dealing with right now, and trying to win the AL Central.
Jake Peavy looked much like the same pitcher who's been one of the best in the National League in recent years, overpowering Tigers batters with a blazing fastball and hard-breaking slider. Overall, Peavy pitched seven shutout innings with eight strikeouts.
The shame of it all is that Eddie Bonine pitched almost as well with less dominating stuff. Bonine pitched into the sixth inning without allowing a hit. But when he finally did give one up, it was a doozy. Bonine threw two change-ups in the same spot to Gordon Beckham, and Beckham didn't miss that second one, launching it into the left-field seats for a two-run homer.
That was all the offense the White Sox needed. Heck, it was all the offense they got. The White Sox only knocked out two hits against Tigers pitching tonight. Two hits. And it was enough to win.
But as well as Peavy pitched, the Tigers' offense also squandered a few scoring chances.
In the second, Detroit had runners on first and second with one out. But Peavy came back to strike out the next two batters. The Tigers had the same situation in the third, but Magglio Ordonez hit into a double play. Finally, in the sixth, they had two baserunners yet again, only to see Peavy strike out Miguel Cabrera and get Aubrey Huff to ground out to second.
Ultimately, it was a night Tigers fans are painfully familiar with. This time, however, it was due to a pitcher who's had the reputation of doing this for a while. And if Peavy keeps this up, he might be a factor in this playoff race, after all.
Whimper:
Cabrera fought Peavy hard in his first at-bat, battling through 10 pitches before walking. But in his other two at-bats, Peavy made him look rather silly. BigMig finished 0-for-3 with two strikeouts.
Brandon Inge also had a rough night, going 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.
Purr:
Did you notice that the Tigers pitched all rookies tonight? Bonine (who still qualifies), followed by Ryan Perry, Fu-Te Ni, and Casey Fien. Again, they all combined to give up just two hits.
Comment of the Night:
So let me get this straight....today...
my car was stolen. The Tigers lost. The Royals morphed back into the Royals. The Twins will not lose.
Tomorrow has to be better. Hopefully all on those fronts.
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See, I knew posting Sad Tiger on the overflow thread would cause the recap to appear
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 25, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is...
You’d think with the way our offense and our pitching work that WE would’ve won a game by now in which we only got two hits, but I don’t think that’s the case.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 26, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so far this year...
The Tigers have scored 2 or fewer runs 44 times (29% of their games) and have won only 6 of those (.136).
They have HELD the other team to 2 or fewer runs in 41 games and have lost only 6 of those (.854).
If it helps they have only been shut out 5 times this year (11 last year)
by murrajo on Sep 26, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about timing and the Tigers simply don't have it on a consistent basis
During their retreat from 6.5-7.0 games up, I feel like I remember 2-11-1 being a common score line for the kitties.
by Elfuego51 on Sep 26, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's see...
According to baseball-reference, the fewest number of hits the Tigers had in a game was two. That was June 8 at the Cell in Game 2 of the doubleheader (the one where Jose Contreras came back from the minors, totally stymied the Tigers, and we were all like “WTF,” though he did pitch well for a good stretch after that). That is the only time the Tigers have been limited to two hits (They have had six games in which they were held to three hits). The fewest number of hits they had in a game in which they won was four. That was August 14th against Kansas City at Comerica Park when they won 1-0 (Inge walk-off).
In case you’re interested, the most hits they’ve had in a game they lost was 15, on September 10th at Kansas City (7-4 loss)
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 26, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just put up my recap
Linked to BYB twice because of Ian’s mentioning of all rookies pitching and a good stat provided by murrajo.
by Detroit4lyfe on Sep 26, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The hell with this game.
Let’s get these bastards tomorrow.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good attitude
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Sep 26, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
Just one loss. We can take it.
by TigerFanInCleveland on Sep 26, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game...
But just reading about it makes me wanna puke…
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 26, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck, they could have won with one run
Wasn’t Beckham’s shot the Sox’s first one of the game?
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by ahtrap on Sep 26, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Un fricking believeable...
2 hits given up by 4 rookies, and we lose.
UN FRICKING BELIEVEABLE!
Granderson should not be leading off. 3 AB’s and 6 pitches…that’s pathetic… Raburn struck out and saw more pitches in 1 AB. Huff…8 pitches? Wow way to back up Miggy with numbers like that. Other than that HR in the 9th, you don’t even deserve to be in the lineup. Huff should be a PH at MAX! If Raburn was a DH we would be better off. He’s got Granderson/Inge power, and does it while actually getting singles. He just doesn’t have the defense that the others have. Of course, I’m seeing a lot of “caught at home” throws from him. Raburn NEEDS to be in the lineup everyday.
What is it going to take to get this team in the mood to show up EVERY GAME? Looking at a box score like that…I’m mortified. 0 RUNS…
by actioncuse on Sep 26, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twins streak typical for September
They are the opposite of the Tigers. They play to win in September. Ordonez hits into too many DPs to be on this team? Sit Granderson down, he is lost ! The bottom of the lineup is not Major League level and Inge is a glove only. When we get two runners on and less than 2 outs, we need to cash in, regardless if superman Peavy is on the mound. These are the big leagues and the hitters should be at the same level.
It is going to be sickening watching the Twins walk into the playoffs, but the Tigers do not want to be there obviously, and with the their bats, it would be a joke anyway. Twins dont even have Morneau and they’re playing like Boston. It would be like us losing Cabrera, but the Twins still win. Unbelievable!
by maybenxt year on Sep 26, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we are over .500 in september.
Not way over, but 3 games over. The twins are simply cosmic right now. We have problems scoring runs consistently, and we had one week of awful pitching. Thise are execution problems. The tigers are not losing games because they don’t want to win. The twins aren’t winning jus because they want to. The tigers are not executing as well as thw twins are-right now. Can the twins keep this up for 9 more days? Maybe.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
McClendon and Leyland - strategy missing, no killer instinct
This team has hit like AAA all year and we play the same lame game nightly. There needs to be heads rolling and some benching? But that is not happening in the vacation clubhouse of the Kittens. Why play past Oct 4 when you are rich and can start your 4 month “wait til next year” furlough? If this team backs into the playoffs it will be a miracle and one that is not deserved due to the hitting area.
Give full credit to the pitching staff for the 82 wins.Had this pitching staff been on a team of hitters, they would have 100 wins by now. They have done a really nice job, especially the starters!
McClendon was a career 244 hitter and that is not good enough to be a coach in hitting at this level? Is this why Granderson is hitting the same stats? Get a hitting coach that actually knows and has hit 300? Leyland strategy is terrible…guess where he should be? Playing golf and retired is best answer. 9 more games to get on the course?
by maybenxt year on Sep 26, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
However...
this team is in first place. Heads don’t roll on a team that is in first place. As for your “McClendon’s a .244 career hitter” argument, Jim Leyland was a catcher who was never even good enough to make the big leagues. Does that mean the WS ring Jim has was a fluke?
I’m trying to say that it’s easy to look at the coaches and say “why aren’t they fixing the players?” But it’s the players holding the bats. It’s up to them to hit the runners in and get on base. When Granderson is up to bat why doesn’t he bunt more often? My reasoning is A) he’s fancying himself as to much of a HR hitter and B) He barely knows how to do it. Jim and Lloyd can make him practice bunting all they want but come gametime he seems to throw practice out the window and just fail at it. If he would just bunt he could get himself on base more often fully utilizing his speed.
I’m just using Curtis as an example here because in my eyes he’s just been a big disappointment. But I really do doubt this offense is the coaches fault. Magglio and Polanco are getting out of their season long slumps, whatever he knew as a .244 hitter is obviously translating. Jim can’t really be an aggressive manager, his team can’t exactly fly around the basepaths like the rays can. And since his team has been unreliable with their bats, hit and runs in odd counts are just to risky.
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by madpoopz on Sep 26, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, poopz.
The Tigers have holes. Several guys (notably Curtis and Magglio) are way, way off their career numbers. We’ve had significant injury problems. Washburn’s knee was a major blow to the rotation, whch we’ve covered so far (Bonine has more than done his job). The Tigers’ strengths have been their defense (which uncharacteristically let them down last night), starting pitching, especially at the top, and the bullpen.
When you do not score runs consistently, nights like last night are going to happen. The Twins have a ton of weaknesses to-notably their starting pitching and middle relief. Their bats have covered those weaknesses in September.
We’re still in first. If the Twins don’t cool off, that may not last. But the Tigers’ problem is not one of effort. I was at the game last night. If anything, the hitters seemed to be pressing. Miggy looked as if he was trying to put the ball on the Dan Ryan with every swing. Even when Thornton throwing absolute smoke in a misting rain, they got the tying run to the plate and Inge gave him a battle. Just didn’t happen.
Stick with this team. They are one fighting bunch.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course
Major, major kudos to the pitching staff. With this hitting this year, would anyone have predicted this team would be fighting for a division crown in late September based almost entirely on pitching?
Verlander, sure – but Porcello? Jackson? Fu-Te Ni and Seay and Lyon and even Miner out of the bullpen? Rodneycoaster as closer?
I know I wouldn’t have. No way would I ever have figured they could sustain this all year.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
by Baroque on Sep 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in spite of the loss
It was great to be able to participate in a game thread again. Vacation was great, though – I managed not to think of work even once (hopefully the lab won’t be too much of a wreck on Monday), I took tons of pictures, and my nephew was actually very patient when I was showing them to my mom. He waited and waited, and finally asked if I was done with my computer so I could please go outside and play with him? How could I say no to that? :)
I didn’t see any cougars, though – but I did almost get run over by a deer that shot out of the woods along the trail about five feet away from me. They must not have been interested in sharing my granola bars with me when I was hiking.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
by Baroque on Sep 26, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I watch the entire game, I dont think it was like the team was not wanting to play a game last night or something…actually I think they were pressing a bit..exspecially when Bonine got thru 5 without allowing a hit…I just think they were a little off combined with Peavy Dealing….
by PBURGTIGER on Sep 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i should state
I disagree with the people saying the Tigers looked flat
by PBURGTIGER on Sep 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one troubling thing...
Perry looked god-awful. Clearly he and avila had problems with signs. Perry appeared to be very confused out there.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
i missed it cause of my bonfire last night
suprised we got shut-down that badly. pleasantly suprised at bonine and the other rookie pitchers. still disappointed in granderson (since the all-star break) and a few others.
I Like Pie
by mrsunshine on Sep 26, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While you guys feed the troll
I’m watching Liverpool kick some butt.
Clearly the trick with this team is to sleep until 11 and miss the entire first half so they’ll win.
Haven’t figured out the trick with the Tigers yet.
by MackAveKurt on Sep 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my lucky tigers pullover failed....
Might break out the kaline jersey tonight.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe try sleeping through the game.
by MackAveKurt on Sep 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciate soccer for how hard it is...
And how much its people love it. Don’t know much about it other than world cup matches. Can’t keep leagues straight. Do they play all year?
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
more or less
it is definitely complicated.
You have a national league — say, English Premier League or La Liga in Spain — and a regional league for the best teams from each country — “The Champions League.” (We have a Champions League in the Americas too.) And both go on at the same time. In Europe, the season is August through May. In the USA, the MLS is backwards and plays all summer. And while those two leagues are going on, there can be other tournaments.
Meanwhile, the leagues all take two weeks off here and there for international breaks for regional play / World Cup qualifying / etc. And the international tournaments like the World Cup are during the summer.
So it’s pretty much all year, though not necessarily weekly.
by MackAveKurt on Sep 26, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't even get me started on promotion and relegation
the indians would be SO screwed!
by MackAveKurt on Sep 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have tix with two of my best friends...
So I do think I will go back to the cell.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The Cell sucks.
I went there for a game two years ago. 18 inning affair between the Sox and Sox. There was a 14th inning stretch, but the bastards had stopped bringing pop and beer around in the 8th. And PARKING was impossible. Three different people gave us three different stories on where we were allowed to park. We were late getting in and spent too much money to park way too far away.
by TigerFanInCleveland on Sep 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont like the place.
It is obnoxious. The fireworks on every home run. The fact that Hawk is in the buulding. The ridiculous monument park they put up on the northwest corner of the stadium celebrating their one world series win since 1917. There is a general attitude that they invented baseball, rather than the fact that they’ve just played it for longer than almost anyone.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
your luck at the cell better improve
or we know who to blame ;)
by MackAveKurt on Sep 26, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel terrible about last night.
Not going tomorrow. We will see if that is the control in the experiment.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I've been feeling pretty down today
but I’ll be around for the game later. watching tigers weekly is cheering me up a little.
by allikazoo on Sep 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheer up, everybody!
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dog thoughts
“There damn well better be a treat at the end of this humiliation, or someone is getting their brand new leather shoes morphed into chew toys.”
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
by Baroque on Sep 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the post game show last night
Ryan Fields interviewed Matt Thornton and I am not sure if anyone caught that, but he said the White Sox were going to do all they possibly could to help the Twins get the division title and help them make it to the post season. Pfft. Would be nice if the Royals could accommodate us in the same fashion.
by Detroitchik on Sep 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it
What is the source of the bad blood? The tigers and sox haven’t had any skirmishes over the years. The twins and sox have. Maybe that is just thornton saying they are going to play hard. I know ozzie and maggs aren’t particularly fond of one another, and that goes back to venezualan political arguments from what I’ve heard. The twins have owned the sox for years and have had several beanball wars. Don’t get it.
by rook34 on Sep 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i saw that he was interviewing him
and remarked to myself, wow, he’s kinda hot. but I had it muted. woops.. that’s pretty lame.
by allikazoo on Sep 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
freddy garcia vs. Carlos Guillen
Does Carlos have his number or is it the other way around. I know they’re good friends and I think I remember one completely owning the other
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Sep 26, 2009 4:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
They both played together on the Mariners for several years
but i did find this at mlb.com ….. Guillen bats .250 against Garcia and Maggs .333
here is the link
by Detroitchik on Sep 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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