Game 156 Extra Innings Thread
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
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PrintAnd... we're going to extra innings. Both teams' bullpens got some big outs in those last couple of frames.
Hey, the Tigers and Twins had to do something to fill that time until 7:05 p.m. anyway, right?
It's a 1-1 tie moving to the 10th inning! Did you have any other plans today?
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Screw debate practice
They don’t listen to me anyways.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
And so the OTHER pinch-runner turns out to be huge for the Twins
Kubel doesn’t run that ball down
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
Why do they keep getting the lucky breaks?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
my stomach doesnt either
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a new one. You gotta give him credit.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 29, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So I had class from 11:30-2:30
Payed no attention in my 11:30 lecture and watched gameday. Couldn’t do that in my second class but sat there freaking the whole time. My dad texted me when I was on my way back that we were heading into the 10th. My response? “Oh lord.”
P.S. putting on rally cap now
by kendra.michelle on Sep 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
You must not have been watching in 2003.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Should Epic be considered a troll at this point?
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Either that or an asshole
Our response should be the same either way
by happydrifter on Sep 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Do not feed the troll.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Do not feed the troll
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So if our best reliever can't contain the Twins...who can?
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well offense
you get one inning to wake the hell up against the all star closer.
because you could do so with lead off doubles.
any chance...
Nathan’s arm could fall off on the way to the mound?
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
Is it me?
I feel like it’s me. I just got here :(
by kendra.michelle on Sep 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
no...
It’s the Detroit bats…
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yarp
We could have won this with a PH, but noooo…
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not gonna fault Santiago for a lineout
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Still
Maggs was a better option.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
someone should show Huff that highlight
That is how you get a run in.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is booze acceptable at 3:00?
And at 19?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Also on the judicial board
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU'RE IN COLLEGE
haha nah, follow your heart
by Detroit4lyfe on Sep 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
GGGGGAAAAAHHHHHAAAAA11111111111
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Huh
The Twins have actually stranded more baserunners than the Tigers
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
Dear Joe Nathan
Could you please suck just this once?
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
oh god this team is going to kill me
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
giving us one to make us hope...
Is such a horrible, Twins-like thing to do.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 2:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
no...
this is a dream…
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 29, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah for real
I thought it was going to be a bloop over 2B
by Detroit4lyfe on Sep 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
someone will have to hit another bomb.
Its impossible to get a long rally against this guy.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please Joe
Suck just one more AB for us.
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the lead is down to one.
I have not felt this bad in a long time.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Duensing has done better against Detroit than Verlander has against Minnesota
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So...all the stat heads and sabremetricians said all we needed to do was play .500
We’re doing it. Why isn’t it working?
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because the Twins got so hot
Too bad they couldn’t catch fire. :(
Justin can do this. He loves big games. The offense just needs to show up and split the double header, and the standings will be right back where they were this morning.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Our pitching's pretty good...but I'm just not sure they're up for it.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
punch me...
i need to cry…
Is this legal?
I don't know. It's fun, though...
by moonshineboy on Sep 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll hold down Span and Punto
You can punch them.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
It wouldn't annoy me so much if the Twins were some kind of juggernaut
But I know damn well that, should they make the playoffs, we will see them be destroyed in three blowout games
Huff needs to sit forever
His failure to bring in either of those men in from third (and create the runner being out at home) was extremely costly. And although I don’t put a lot into Fangraph’s WARP value stat, Huff’s is currently a -0.6. Which means he counts as an actual detriment to the team’s chance of winning when played.
by ryan_matthews28 on Sep 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Rejoice kids
I’ve made my last comment on here. I’m sick and tired of voicing my frustration when this team fucks up, and people taking it so personally and giving me shit.
So with that, good day.
That's what Brett Favre says every year, too.
by happydrifter on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’ll be making sure that sticks.
by Ian Casselberry on Sep 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you so much Ian
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
Enjoy your pity party for yourself.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll be okay.
Remember, coming in to this we figured a good outcome would be to split the four-game series. And think about how tough it is for any team to win both games of a double-header.
A split in the double header and the Twins are right back to 2 games back where they were this morning, the Tigers magic number is reduced by two, and they are right on pace for a split of the series.
These guys can do this. I don’t know if they WILL, but it is NOT beyond their capacity.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Dammit, now I have to go try and focus on homework.
I just hope the offense brings it for JV tonight.
by kendra.michelle on Sep 29, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
well, at least I have an excuse to listen to rage against the machine loudly
not that I ever needed one.
At least you get downtime
I have to go to work
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I might, might not
boss has a meeting coming in here shortly. I wish I had more work to do to distract myself now.
Info from radio
Those were only the second and third wild pitches that Lyon has thrown this year. Picked a bad time to throw them.
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Well, you needn't worry
I doubt he’ll be in the lineup tonight.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Polanco's cold bat KILLED us
He stranded four men, all told.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
however, i take solace that kid rick was damn good. when we make the postseason, he’ll be in the rotation for sure
I Like Pie
This game was certainly different from one aspect
The Twins actually beat us this time by playing Twins-style baseball (except for one run that we basically gave him with the wild pitches). In most of the other games, they’ve beaten us by bombing the ball everywhere.
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on the other hand, it was similar to many games
the tigers beat themselves by playing tigers baseball.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 29, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Brandon Lyon is an unlikely source when it comes to beating yourself
That was some bad timing there
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way...
It’s still supposed to be windy in Detroit tonight, isn’t it? That never really factored into this game because both Porcello and Blackburn are ground ball pitchers. However, Verlander tends to be a fly ball pitcher. That might hurt him in this game if it is still windy. I don’t know what Duensing is.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
I need a hug...
I feel like Ron Gardenhire kicked me in the nuts.
by tricks318 on Sep 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
just a crusher.
We cannot drive runs in with any consistency. We have given away at least five games with bullshit like this.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And it seems like when we do hit the ball with authority with RISP, it's right at somebody or someone makes a spectacular play
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by SabreRoseTiger on Sep 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
it has worn me out.
I don’t have the energy for this tonight. It was right there to win and they couldn’t do it.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OMG we freakin' lost
I knew we squandered too many opportunities… again
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Okay, guys
I gotta get ready for work now. I’ll see you sometime after nine.
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What a wasted performance by porcello.
The Tigers sure do not look like a first place team trying to win the central.The twins look like the better team.If verlander loses tonight Twins will go to the post season.Another thing tigers shouldve got Matt Holiday,and if they had central would be wrapped by now.Major reason tigers will not get to the post season is because of there hitting.
The Tigers have also had the misfortune to come against the Twins playing their best baseball of the season at the worst time for the Tigers. They have held off the Twins and the White Sox for most of the season, and that can wear on a team.
The pitching has done what it can so far, and it was more than I eve expected at the start of the season. The offense just has to find something for a couple more weeks.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
I'm almost glad I had to do something else while that meltdown was happening...
two wild pitches back to back? brutal…
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The presssure is getting to Cabrea.
I know hes got 31hr,and 100 rbis.But he has been lousy when we need a clutch hit.Granderson has been extremely hot hitter.
Biggy NEVER
has any one in front of him that can do anytihng, that used to be Maggs but not so much anymore and why we would ever bat Clete 3rd is beyond me. Also, To have someone like Huff batting behind him makes no sense, would make more sense to bat Guillen or Maggs behind Biggy then slide sorry ass Huff behind them, if anywhere at all
Clete Thomas was .500 against Blackburn headed into this afternoon
I can’t tell you how many times this was said in the various GameThreads by so many people, yet no one seemed to have heard.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In what?
15 PA?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Leyland is an idiot
They give him the ABs to get his $18 million option, then they DON’T play Maggs in these games?
Too much finesse in his managing. Throw your best squad out there and stop letting the other team dictate your order.
The addition of Huff and Washburn have turned out to actually HURT this team's chances of winning
Huff as a Tiger- .192/.259/.313
Washburn- 43 IP, 35 ER, 7.33 ERA
Play Raburn or Maggs instead of Huff and I say we would have won today, although Leyland should be cut a little slack considering what he has done all year with this awful lineup constructed by Dombrowski. In conclusion…
FIRE DOMBROWSKI
by ryan_matthews28 on Sep 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Pinch hit Ordoñez in the ninth. Don’t start him, because he can’t start both games. Raburn getting the call in left tonight.
Sorry buddy, but while I agree Washburn was a bad choice no one knew Huff would blow up like this.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You know its a team game,and tigers basicaly did not get the job done.
Theres 6 games left,and if we win more then the twins will be in the post season.No more excuses just getter done.Scratch crawl whatever it takes and win some games.
The gloom and doom is really tiring.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother responding sometimes :P
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
OK, so let’s start Ordoñez game one. Now Thomas starts game two.
Now, what exactly would have changed?
I can see saying Ordoñez should have pinched in the ninth, but saying he should start game one of a doubleheader just because we’re paying him… I don’t understand your logic here. So we should let dollar signs dictate our order, NOT the opposing pitching?
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I say start Maggs in both games.
He gets $15+ million to play baseball. He can afford whatever it is that would allow him to play both games. Looking at stats, July through now, the guy is batting .336. How you can sit one of the hottest hitters on your team is beyond me.
For the order, some pitchers (the aces and top tier pitchers), yes, you change the order around to try to win. But HELLO, this was Nick Blackburn. This guy would be 4th starter at BEST on our pitching rotation. We can’t have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and not put the best team out there in a crucial game like this. I doubt Blackburn felt very intimidated by Clete Thomas today (batting .221 since the All-Star break, oh by the way).
Wow.
Gotcha. Set the order based on contracts. That’s what you’re saying, right? Oh, we’re not facing Sabathia today so we can go ahead and trot out the highest contracts and they’ll get the job done. So we’d never see another farm system kid again. No Ryan Raburn, no Clete Thomas, no Curtis Granderson. This makes perfect sense.
Who said anything about Thomas intimidating Blackburn? Certainly wasn’t me. Thomas was hitting .500 against Blackburn headed into today. He can hit whatever since the break, hitting half the time against pitcher X is still hitting half the time.
Keep on thinking that the highest paid players should always get preference in starting games. That’s worked out real swell for the Mets over the last two years.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i am slowly coming to the realization....
That this is going to end badly. This will hurt for a long time. Our offense has just let us down too many times.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 4:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Dear Negative Nancy,
You’ve stuck with the team through 156 games.
I don’t think we’re asking you too much to keep it up for another six games.
Signed,
Your Detroit Tigers
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The gloom and doom after a loss is really tiring
You’re not being “a tad negative”. You’re predicting that the season is over when we’ve still got three games left against the team that’s been nipping at our heals for the last two weeks and another three games beyond that.
We all know we lost, there’s no point in mucking up the rest of the place IMHO.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not feeling all that negative
the angry/“what if” thoughts tend to subside within about 20 minutes of each losing game’s end.
I’m mostly just bored at work and want to get the next one over with.
You're not my issue
Haven’t seen the “end is near!” crap from you (nor did I expect it) but some of the stuff flying around here really needs to go.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
fair points....
but its tough to predict success when this team continues to fail to score runners, often in new and creative ways. Good point though, if I feel that way perhaps I should not predict anything. Would love to be optimistic but we simply do not consistently push runners across.
by rook34 on Sep 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would add this-
this team is no longer a team of surprises. as I mentioned a few days ago, the Tigers have scored 2 runs or less in almost 30% of their games. The offense is what it has been all year- Sometimes explosive (remember Saturday?) often middle to weak.
Yet they are in 1st place and have been almost all year!
The surprise here is not the Tigers, it’s the Twins. They are playing WAY above their grade right now. They should come back to earth, but they may not.
The Tigers of 2009 are built on pitching and defense. It has gotten them this far. It has a good chance of getting them into the play offs.
Remember, we're in the AL Central
Look at the BYB tagline (which, apparently, Kurt wrote). Someone’s got to win our division. We’re probably the weakest division in the bigs this year (NL Central cutting it close) from top to bottom, not like we’ve had to overcome the Angels, Yankees or others.
The Twins are playing balls-out baseball right now, especially with half of the M&M boys gone. No question.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Offensively? No.
Mauer calls a better game behind the dish and has better range than Morales. Much rather see Morales back there.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, good point.
I fear the offense a lot more though. do you have a link to the whole lineup? I’m going to entertain myself by obsessing over their vs. JV stats.
http://twitter.com/JoeCStrib/status/4478479824
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
Be sure to post interesting finds in the next GT once it goes up.
Saves me some work ;) unless you want to split the work up?
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ian's working on a recap
so I will get some stuff together if I see anything interesting and post it there.
Hey all
Stuck monitoring things from work. I’m as downhearted as everyone else here. That said, every single one of use would’ve signed up in a heartbeat for this situation before the season began. 6 games to go. 1 game lead. JV on the mound. If they need him, JV can pitch the last game of the season or a 1 game play-in.
I’m not trying to paint a rosy picture on things. Fact is, if the season lasted 3 more weeks, the Twins would definitely pass the Tigers. But it doesn’t. A win tonight gets us one day closer to the finish line without losing any ground.
THANK YOU
I’m riding the walrus.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
besides
the Tigers clearly have the better offensive lineup and the better starting pitcher tonight. For all their assorted struggles this year Granderson, Polanco, Guillen, Cabrera, Huff, Ordonez, Inge have a better track record than the lineup the Twins will be trotting out. Ditto Verlander vs Duensing.
I’ve watched Verlander grow up enough this year that I don’t think he’ll allow them to lose tonight.
One can argue Porcello didn’t really allow them to lose, either. However Verlander averages 7.1 innings per start (last checked few weeks back) so one can argue the bullpen blew the game for Porcello this afternoon. I don’t think Lyon’s 2xWP were completely to blame though, that’s a statistical insanity having them back-to-back like that. I can see Verlander hunkering down and losing his mind in a good way tonight, go like 8.1 or something like that.
Polanco, Huff and Inge scare me in tonight’s lineup. Polanco clearly had some struggles this afternoon, however he was never very good against Blackburn (believe he’s now 3/16 lifetime vs. Blackburn). Huff has struggled since coming over and Inge’s second half somehow got even worse as time has worn on… his single today was his first hit in a couple of games.
Not losing the faith but like you, cautious optimism is my approach.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
JV is averaging 6.8 IP / start right now
but I agree that he is going to be the stud tonight. he wants this too badly and his team will back him up
Came down since I looked last
Still, that’s just one out less than before (7.1 from my post was 7 1/3 and not a true value, I failed on that part).
I think we’ll see good things.
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not a fail,
when I first set up my spread sheet I overlooked that for 3 months and could not figure out why my ERA was different from MLB! Finally a friend of mine pointed it out and from there on it was smooth sailing.
I considered rounding that stat above but I figured that it showed he had lost a little bit of his longevity since your data in July and I thought that was meaningful.
Absolutely
Good lookin’ out
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by john.kmiecik on Sep 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What hurt the most
Was Clete getting thrown out at home. As soon as that happened I knew it was gonna be huge.
A lifelong Tigers fan
was the fly out from Curtis a home run that didn't get out?
on game day it was marked as over the wall
in the third (?) inning?
warning track. Heck a nice hit but just ran out of gas.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 29, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was the 3rd. I know it was fairly early in the game.
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