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A recent history of the Tigers 1st round draft picks

The list below is taken from http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/history/_/team/det and it represents the last 30 years of Detroit Tigers draft history in the 1st of the amateur draft. I cut it off at 30 because it's a nice round number, and lest you accuse me of cherry picking, the 1978 first round pick was Kirk Gibson.

I haven't managed to figure out exactly what goes into this $5.2 million value that's being assigned to the generic #19 pick in the first round, so an explanation or a link to how that figure is derived would be welcomed. I'd assume that included all the bonuses, etc that are due a first round player before he has a chance to contribute anything back to the team, right?

Anyway, Dave Dombrowski seems to have done well recently with power pitchers, the Verlander pick at #2, and the pure luck acquisition of Rick Porcello standing out from the last decade's worth of 1st rounders. The book on whether the rest of his picks will become decent major leaguers is still out, mostly due to lack of data. Perry had a decent enough debut season; Miller and Maybin haven't managed to stick on the Marlins yet, etc.

Prior to the Dombrowski regime, though (and I think he may have picked Sleeth, i forget exactly when he took over), the Tigers 1st round draft history isn't exactly filled with glory. Between 1979 and 2002, I see maybe four or fivee serviceable major leaguers, depending on whether you want to call Rico Brogna serviceable. Rick Leach stuck around the majors for a while, Tony Clark had his moments, and Jeff Weaver, for all the scorn we Tigers fan might direct his way, has a few years' service under his belt. Beyond them, and Glenn Wilson, None of these first round picks really made any impact at the major league level. I mean, the making of a big leaguer is dependent on so many factors, whether the guy really has the stuff to make it, whether injuries play a role, maybe the guy is blocked by an established starter, etc. But for all the hype about the first round pick, this list suggests there's nothing resembling a guarantee that that pick will turn into someone we will enjoy seeing wear the Olde English D for years to come.

There also seems to be a disconnect between the wondering whether Dombrowski knows exactly what he's trying to do with this team, whether there's a coherent plan in place, and the apparent faith people are putting in him to make a good decision had the Tigers retained the 19th pick. Yeah, he's had a better track record short term than the Tigers have had oevr the long haul...but I'm curious, given the antipathy towards this off season's moves, whether you really think that 19th pick would have resulted in a player to hang our hats on for the next decade?


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MLB First Round Draft Picks - Detroit Tigers
SEASON PLAYER POS SCHOOL/HOMETOWN PICK
2009 Jacob Turner RHP Westminster Christian Academy, St. Louis, Mo. 9
2008 Ryan Perry RHP Univ. of Arizona 21
2007 Rick Porcello RHP Seton Hall Prep, West Orange, N.J. 27
2006 Andrew Miller LHP North Carolina 6
2005 Cameron Maybin CF T C Roberson HS (NC) 10
2004 Justin Verlander RHP Old Dominion 2
2003 Kyle Sleeth RHP Wake Forest U 3
2002 Scott Moore SS Cypress, CA 8
2001 Kenny Baugh RHP Rice U 11
2000 Matt Wheatland RHP San Diego, CA 8
1999 Eric Munson C U. of Southern California 3
1998 Jeff Weaver RHP Fresno State U. 14
1997 Matt Anderson RHP Rice U 1
1996 Seth Greisinger RHP U of Virginia 6
1995 Mike Drumright RHP Wichita State U 11
1994 Cade Gaspar RHP Pepperdine U 18
1993 Matt Brunson SS Englewood, CO 9
1992 Richard Greene RHP Louisiana State U 16
1990 Tony Clark OF El Cajon, CA 2
1989 Greg Gohr RHP Santa Clara U 21
1988 Rico Brogna 1B Watertown, CT 26
1987 Steve Pegues OF Pontotoc, MS 21
1987 Bill Henderson C Miami, FL 20
1986 Phil Clark C Crockett, TX 18
1985 Randy Nosek RHP Chillicothe, MO 26
1983 Wayne Dotson RHP Lubbock, TX 15
1982 Rich Monteleone RHP Tampa, FL 20
1981 Ricky Barlow RHP Woodville, TX 17
1980 Glenn Wilson 3B Sam Houston State U 18
1979 Chris Baker OF Dearborn Heights, MI 23
1979 Rick Leach OF U of Michigan 13

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David Chadd took over amateur scouting / running the draft prior to the 2004 draft. Before that, Dombrowski faltered. Chadd is still there. The Tigers have actually been quite successful drafting since then.

Anything in the Randy Smith years before 2002 is just a joke.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

This

Throw in that player development and prospect evaluation has become better since the 70’s and 80’s and it’s hard to see how a first-rounder doesn’t have an impact.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 15, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the thing: Who is David Chadd?

I don’t mean that literally, I know * WHO * he is, what role he holds, etc, but if you ask most Tigers fans, maybe 80% would draw a complete blank. Even I was under the impression that it was Dombrowski that was ‘running the draft’, making the final calls.

Do a search on the guy on this site, and you get a scant handful of results…mostly from DDB, in his prospect updates fanposts.

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares how many fans know who David Chadd is?

His his doing the job well is not contingent on fans knowing who he is. Fact is, he is a guy who does his job very good.

but if you are questioning what his credentials are, from the official bio:

— Responsible for all aspects of the Tigers amateur scouting and the June draft.

— Prior to joining the Tigers, Chadd spent the previous three seasons as the Director of Amateur Scouting for the Boston Red Sox, signing top prospects Abe Alvarez, Jon Lester, Cla Meredith, Brandon Moss, Matt Murton, Jon Papelbon and Dustin Pedroia.

— Spent the previous eight seasons in the Florida Marlins scouting department, last serving as the director of scouting during the 2001 season.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 15, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not questioning the credentials at all

It’s Dave Dombrowski that is the face of this Tigers front office. Whatever David Chadd is doing behind the scenes, the credit/blame is accruing to Dombrowski.

So when even more-knowledgeable-than-baseline fans, like the ones participating on this site, are questioning Dombrowski’s acumen based on his moves this offseason, are they discriminating between major league front office maneuvers, and that behind the scenes scouting process?

You and DDB obviously make that distinction. Until today, I wouldn’t have. I’m curious about the rest of the gang.

That said…now I’m wondering, if there was a determination, as has been speculated on this site, that Granderson has reached the peak of his value and/or abilities, which led to trading him to the Yankees, is that something Chadd would be involved in, or do his duties end at amateur scouting?

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Chadd’s job description is being in charge of amateur scouting and the draft.

Obviously, cannot say how the front office actually works, I’m not a fly on the wall. However, I would gather that Chadd’s primary job is not being involved with trading Granderson/Jackson, as they are not amateurs and they were not traded for amateurs.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 15, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This background on valuation was in the original Valverde story, but you might have missed it.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

I’ll take a peek at that tonight.

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybin is 22

Granderson was the starting CF at what, 24? Maybin is going to be a very good player, definitely with the glove and probably with the bat (though not enough to make Detroit regret that trade). All the potential he once had is still there.

As for Miller, he got rushed. So that was a flaw in player development, not drafting. Kid never got to hone his secondary stuff, and you can’t live on your fastball in the majors. And while it’s always nice to see someone from UNC falling on their face, he could have been a good one. He still could be good- he’s just 24. You can’t write off players before they turn 25 or 26 unless they’re clearly injured or have fallen flat.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

totally agree...like I said, not enough data yet

I’m still a Maybin fan, and want to see him succeed, wherever it is.

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

And to answer your question- I think that 19th pick will give us a better chance at a player that can help this team than Jose Valverde can.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

when? 2013?

kidding…mostly…

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that's a valid question

The thing is, the NFL and too much ESPN have infected our thinking as baseball fans. ZOMG TEH FRIST ROUND PICK1one. Whatever. Yes, it’s important to be careful with them, but there are, what, 50 rounds in the baseball draft? And that doesn’t take into account international player scouting. There’s no such thing are a truly “can’t miss” baseball prospect (and many of the best are taken much later, anyway), and if there is he’s not there at 19 anyway. Presuming Valverde comes out and pitches to his ability this season, this is not a big deal.

by crwi on Jan 15, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The success rates are

You have a much bigger chance of a first round pick sticking than a fifth or even a second.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 15, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

One other note, just for posterity

Looking further back, the Tigers 1984 team only included two home grown first round picks (Gibson and Lance Parrish in 1974).

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by ahtrap on Jan 15, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not an expert in this area by far...

but if I look at the Valverde signing and see what not signing him would’ve done for us I hate the signing of Valverde even more.

Not only could the Tigers have used the money to sign players that could fill in weak area’s on the roster. (particularly of the left handed hitting kind) but the draft pick would have given the Tigers an upgrade in an area of their system that is lacking— positional players. We have pitchers, plenty of them. Our system very little depth elsewhere as far as I can tell.

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by madpoopz on Jan 16, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

Yep

That’s what scares me about this too. That’s why I don’t just see this as a bad move, I see it as an awful move. Adding Valverde to a position of strength not only removes talent from the bullpen, thus stunting player development in the bullpen, it also leaves those glaring holes in other parts of the club untouched, which makes those holes even worse and leaves the team with even less flexibility, both financially and roster-wise. We are going to have to continue to rely on FA signings, which means we will probably have the same discussion many times in the future that we’ve had here over the last couple days with respect to whether we overpaid for a player.

by baum on Jan 16, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Great minds think alike

Exactly what I thought of when I saw the trade…. just put better and more succinctly.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 16, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

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