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Minor League Matters: Catchers' depth chart

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System depth is an important part of minor league analysis. Depth charts allow baseball fans to tell how strong certain positions are across the system, and examining system depth is important to drafting players and planning for the future. So the first thing I’m going to look at in this Minor League Matters column is system depth.

First, some caveats. These charts are designed as an overview, not a comprehensive look at these players (prospect profiles will do that). So don’t expect a ton of information- just enough to provide a rough evaluation and to introduce you to some of the players down in the Minors. I’ll also be leaving off Rookie-league players- the Tigers don’t have any high profile IFA signings and projecting players out that far along the lines is futile. System depth will be examined by level, and organizational fodder will probably be labeled as such- I don’t want to spend 50 words on Max St Pierre when he probably won’t be impacting the big league club any time in the future, and I’ll probably ignore most of the fodder in the lower levels. Charts will be released by position- this week will be catchers, followed by corner infielders, middle infielders, outfielders, starting pitchers and concluding with relief pitchers (which will be the longest post ever).

Now, onto the system!

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Gerald Laird: 29 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .225 average /.306 on-base % /.320 slugging average, 477 plate appearances (MLB)

Laird is going into his third year of arbitration and will be eligible for free agency after the 2010 season. Everyone knows his story: stellar glove, only hits at Phoenix Suns games. Good news is he’s a solid, cheap player. Bad news is he’s gone after next season.

Alex Avila: 22 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .279/.375/.590, 72 PA (MLB), .264/.365/.450, 387 PA (AA)

Whether you think he’s a demigod or just a really good young player, Avila is the hot new backstop in TigerTown. He’s got a few things going for him: A great arm, for one. He’s also got great discipline, as he’s one of the few Tigers that can actually take a walk. There’s also some serious power potential, and while slugging .590 may be unrealistic, Avila can probably get to about .500 in his prime. Unfortunately, what you see is probably what you’re going to get. His contact skills aren’t great, he’s not fast and his receiving skills are merely average. He’s no Laird with the glove, but he’s got serious potential and will probably land up being a solid catcher.

AAA/AA

Robinzon Diaz: 25 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .279/.307/.357, 138 PA (MLB)

Backup catcher for the Pirates for most of the 2009 season. That’s probably his ceiling. Good contact rates and lack of strikeouts make up for absence of power and inability to take a walk. He’s pretty good defensively, but nothing special.

Mike Rabelo: 28 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .202/.256/.294, 122 PA (MLB)

Rabelo’s a depth player whose only real claim to fame is inclusion in the Miguel Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis trade. He’s organizational fodder who makes for a pretty good third catcher. He works in case of an emergenc but is not somebody you want to trust for more than a few at bats.

Max St. Pierre: 29 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .224/.297/.397, 65 PA (AA), .248/.300/.423, 162 PA (AAA)

Supposedly St. Pierre has a good glove (thank you Jason Beck’s Twitter feed). But he was a 26th round draft pick in 1997 that never learned how to hit. His contact ability is his best tool with the bat, but you can see by looking at the lines above that it hasn’t meant much. Organizational fodder.

Jeff Kunkel: 26 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .218/.289/.345, 160 PA (AA)

Kunkel does have a good glove; he was rated as the best defensive catcher in the system in 2008 by Baseball America. He’s also a 26 year old in AA struggling to hit. His numbers are pedestrian at best and insulting at worst. He’s another St. Pierre, but with a less French sounding name. Organizational fodder.

A/A+

Andy Bouchie: 23 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .290/.351/.486, 229 PA (Ind.)

Booted from a Brewers system rich in catchers, Bouchie caught on in Independent ball. He’s got a decent glove and occasionally flashes some power. Bouchie will take a walk, but will take many more strikeouts. He’s probably a piece of organizational fodder, but his age means he at least has more upside than some of the older players on this list.

Jordan Newton: 23 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .263/.311/.447, 289 PA (A+)

Newton strikes out a ton: 80 in under 300 PA. He also doesn’t have great contact rates and can’t really take walks. But he was a sixth round pick in 2006 and has some pretty decent power. I don’t see him as much more than organizational fodder in the future, but it wouldn’t shock me if he landed up getting at least a cup of coffee in the majors.

Short Season

John Murrian: 21 years old

2009 Slash Stats: .296/.356/.468, 208 PA (SS)

Murrian was a ninth round selection out of Winthrop in 2009. He’s got good patience, is a reasonable defender and can hit with some power. But he’s not a huge upside guy, and his tools probably won’t carry him to the bigs. He’s probably organizational fodder down the road, but if he puts up decent numbers next year, who knows.

Organizational thoughts

The Tigers aren't exactly deep in catchers, but with Avila ready to take over from Laird as soon as the trade deadline and a couple decent backup types in Diaz and Rabelo, the club is probably set for the next couple years. Depth here thins out very quickly though, with Murrian being the best chance to actually become a somewhat legitimate prospect.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.

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I think is Avila is better defensively than what we give him credit for. I believe it’s a bit of a new position for him as well which means he’s gotten pretty good at it in a very small amount of time. In just the short amount of games he caught in the bigs this past season I saw major improvements. The big thing for him is to continue to improve in the area of, well, being a backstop—aka stopping those pesky bouncing breaking balls. Playing behind an amazing backstop like Gerald Laird is going to really help rocket his progress. My guess is that by the end of spring training we’ll really see what we have in Lord Avila.

Now if we have something there in Lord Avila and Gerald Laird winds up being traded for whatever, Mike Rabelo is my pick for his backup. Switch hitter (gives us some left handed batting, granted a poor one), and I liked his game calling when he played backup for us a couple of years ago.

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by madpoopz on Jan 17, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Great idea

It was nice to see your opinion on our catching depth. This looks like it will be a pretty exciting series.

With that being said, have you actualy watched any of these kids play before or is your info based solely upon stats?

by JAYRC on Jan 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

One question I hate getting

I’m stuck in NC, so I’m essentially going off of numbers, scouting reports and the few clips I can find (this is especially key for pitchers and the like). By no stretch of the imagination am I a scout, and I really wish I could see these guys in person. Call that one of my biases, if you will.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Living close to Lakeland does have it’s advantages. I still remember watching Verlander pitch for the first time.
Perhaps the most fun has been watching Satterwhite and Weinhardt pass through. I cannot stress enough how incredible they both are!

The catching situation has always been pretty bad, Newton was fun to watch though. Perhaps my favorite over the last few years was Skelton I was very impressed with his ability to find a way on base. What does that tell you about me though… He sure faded fast.

Keep up the good work.. You will find out fast that people enjoy hearing about our farm sytem. Besides Matt Wallace and myself it is an untapped market for us amateur bloggers.

by JAYRC on Jan 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I really liked Skelton

But after the D-Backs switched him to 2B…

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by David Tokarz on Jan 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Great series DDB. Really looking forward to the rest of it. I like prospects and follow them to a decent amount, but don’t know even the Tigers organizational fodder and whatnot like you do. So this will be informative for me, as well. Nice work, man.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

You give me too much credit

These charts help me learn about the org fodder along with everyone else. ;)

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by David Tokarz on Jan 17, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

After the back end of the rotation,

the catching arrangement seems to be second-most important question. Laird has shown both an inability to handle full-time batting and an inability to get on-base against RHP. If Avila has an adequate spring, I’d prefer a 50/50 split with Avila starting only against RHP.

by StringTheory on Jan 17, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well, if Avila’s only starting against LHP then he’s going to get about 30% of the starts since that’s around the league average for how many LHSP’s a club faces in a given year.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 18, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean Laird instead of Avila? I know LHSPs are the minority, so I meant to imply Laird starts against all LHP and some RHP. Avila starts against all RHP.

by StringTheory on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. Yeah. I meant Laird. He’d have to start against a lot of RHSP’s to get to a 50/50 split.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

A Challenge to Tiger Nation!

Sweet. This is an excellent summary of the organizational depth, from top to bottom. Great work putting this together, even if you think it’s not a lot of work.

Now, if there were a way that our own Tiger fan base across the country could post updates to this summary as they see these guys play down on the farm, we’d really have a novel and organized, living, breathing fan-driven scouting report for all to see. How could something like that take shape on an SB Nation blog?

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by TigerFanInCleveland on Jan 17, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love that.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds a lot like wikipedia...

And we all know how well that has worked……

by baum on Jan 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh

Yeah I can see what you mean, but it’s not all bad. Then again, I suppose it’s possible to maintain the status of the organizational depth with the occasional FanShots from the local Toledo, Erie, Lakeland and other local beat writers (assuming they write about players semi-regularly). It’s worth giving it a try, we’ll just see how it goes. Might be worthless, might catch on.

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by TigerFanInCleveland on Jan 17, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was mostly kidding. Mostly. I have a feeling that there would be more care put into such a thing if it were to ever happen on here.

by baum on Jan 19, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I need to make it out to some Whitecap games. I live about 50 minutes south of them and haven’t been to a game in years.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 18, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Whitecaps games are a blast

And they are reasonably priced. I live close enough that I go quite a few times each summer, and I have to say that there is almost nothing better than lawn tickets on a perfect summer day/evening with the dollar dogs and draughts. Heaven…..

by baum on Jan 19, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds awesome. I’m going to have to make it out to some WM games this year.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 19, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So jealous

All I get are White Sox affiliates… and they don’t have good teams.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 19, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

but you get the DURHAM BULLS!

how cool is that?!

(Answer: very)

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 19, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

They're 2 hours away

So not really…

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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

you east coast people are so spoiled

2 hours is not far at all. I’m 4 hours from a single-a affiliat for, well I don’t even know who they’re for anymore, but their claim to fame is A-Rod.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 20, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

2 hours from school

3.5 from home. So there.

Crazy yooper…

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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Come to a Whitecaps game!

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

my apparent home team is roughly half as far as the WhiteCaps. The Brewers are 100 miles closer than the Caps!

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 20, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. Play that whole ‘I don’t live in civilization’ card.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 20, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Only hits at a Phoenix game"

Nice…

I didn’t even know Rabello was back?

by ZWC11 on Jan 18, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

Lugnuts games are a blast too

I get to 3 or 4 Lansing Lugnuts games each season (usually when the Whitecaps are in town) and agree that Single A baseball is a terrific outing. When the kids were little we went to more games as it is really family friendly and the kids loved all the between inning junk.

My son is still a Carlos Beltran fan because he was with the original Lugnuts.

Come on up some time, the ballpark is great, it’s in the shadow of the State Capitol Building, with great resturaunts all around and also has easy access to all the freeways.

by Michigan Jim on Jan 20, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

I have heard nothing but GREAT things about Lugnut games.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 20, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, Lugnuts are cool

I wish I’d have gone to mark games when I was at MSU

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 20, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

My bro lived in East Lansing back around 2000 and he loved going to Lugnut games.

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by Mike Rogers on Jan 20, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

One administrative aside

I’ve got a paper to edit for a conference this week (due Friday, just found out today), so I won’t be able to get the next installment up until Sunday or Monday… the depth charts should come a little more quickly after this weekend, but I’m going to have my hands full for a while. So hang in there- I want to have the rest of the IF done next week.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Thought I’d give a plug to Matt Wallace who is doing the same type of thing. He’s much more selective than I am, but his writeups are great.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

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