41 players for 40 spots: Who leaves when Jose Valverde signs?
As of this post, the Detroit Tigers and Jose Valverde have only been reported to have a deal, pending physical. The ink has not yet met paper, as far as we know.
But when it does, the Tigers have a problem. They'll need to make room for Jose Valverde on the 40-man roster, which is currently full.
So who leaves when Valverde signs? And by leaves, that could mean anything. It doesn't necessarily mean they will no longer be a member of the organization, but the possibility is there. Another option: maybe the Tigers trade the player for cash, a minor leaguer or a PTBNL.
Here are a few possibilities:
SP Dontrelle Willis -- In his two seasons with the Tigers, he has done little. Is there reason to believe he has overcome his anxiety enough to pitch effectively for the Tigers? (Is there insurance on this contract that helps the Tigers regain some of the money lost by his inability to pitch?) If the answer to the questions is "no," maybe it's time for him to go.
SP Jay Sborz -- It felt like a nice cheap investment to add Sborz to the 40-man roster last fall, but it's obvious the Tigers seem to be going in a different direction. Maybe they keep him around with hopes he'll crack the rotation at some point this season, though.
RP Brad Thomas -- The lefty reliever was signed out of Korea as the Winter Meetings began in December, reportedly for up to $1 million. Maybe that money is only guaranteed if he is on the roster at the cutoff point near the end of spring training. Or maybe he'll be traded. I haven't seen details reported. As of right now, this signing makes less sense than ever before.
SP/RP Eddie Bonine -- He pitched terrific for a stretch near the end of last season, but it's hard to figure out what his role is with the franchise now. Insurance in case none of the rotation candidates work out? Insurance in case long-man Zach Miner is injured? Who knows.
RP Casey Fien -- Despite some potential, he stumbled in his auditions last season. Maybe the Tigers have seen enough. A 7.94 ERA and poor peripherals do not give confidence, but he only had an 11-inning look. It is probably be too early to ditch him. On the other hand, there are plenty of other relievers bubbling up in the system.
Utility Don Kelly -- Superutility man, but probably not as good as other backup options in the outfield or infield. It's hard to find a role for him unless injuries become a problem.
My take
I really hope the Tigers work out some sort of a trade, but I doubt the return for any of these players would be too much unless the Tigers added a few chips to the table.
While Willis makes the most sense, given his past inability to contribute, the Tigers have had many opportunities to remove him from the roster and have not done so. I think he stays. It also wouldn't make any sense for them to release Sborz or Thomas before even seeing them in action.
So if they do go the direction of a pitcher, it means they'll be giving up on someone like Fien or Bonine. Make no mistake, they have value. But I don't think either would be the end of the world for the Tigers. They are what they are, at this point in their careers. Useful, but not key.
On the other hand, I think Kelly has some value, but the Tigers probably wouldn't miss his services too badly either. So they could go that direction, too.
In any case, I wouldn't be too upset.
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Bobby Seay?
I know that since he was tendered an contract he’s got a spot, but he could still be traded ahead of arbitration. Any kind of a deal would make the money given to Valverde less of a hit to the payroll, plus dealing Seay would alleviate part of the whole way-too-many-LH relievers problem. If he could be moved for a PTBNL or cash, I would think that would be the best possible outcome.
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“SP Dontrelle Willis — In his two seasons with the Tigers, he has done little.”
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by ChrisDTX on Jan 18, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
one can only dream
they will remove dontrelle
by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Stick him back on the DL and reap the insurance benefits.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
If I understand things correctly (and it is very possible that I don’t) Dontrelle has been on the roster this long because the team is able to pay him slightly less so long as he remains on the 40 man roster. I would assume their willingness to cut him at this point would have a lot to do with the mechanics of that situation.
I assume that as well
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Apropos of nothing
MLB Network ran Games 3-5 of the 2006 World Series in a row yesterday. Nothing like 9 hours of misery! And Joe Buck! Now I know what hell feels like.
Saturday they ran games 1 through 3 of the 2006 WS
I tried to watch some of it, but I couldn’t. I put the football games on. Now if they put on the 2006 ALDS or ALCS I would watch:)
Casey Fien
maybe make a poll for your choices kurt?
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I don't think it will be Dontrelle either.
I saw him pitch in a ST game in Lakeland last March. He gave up four runs in the first, but settled down to do well for 2 more innings before Robertson came in and pitched well for 3. This may be the only time in history Dontrelle and Robertson pitched well in the same game! I just feel that Detroit will keep Dontrelle around as long as they have to pay him.
From a mental standpoint, I think they ought to bite the bullet on Willis
He’s had a full-blown meltdown. Been contrite about it, sure, but he’s never going to work it out. I think the Tigers, as an organization, would be better off paying him to go away.
Would love for it to be Dontrelle, but I’ll say Eddie Bonine.
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There’s no cure for Steve Blass Disease.
Biting the bullet, cutting a check and then releasing Willis would make the most sense. Unfortunately, the Tigers seem intent on giving Willis at least one more shot at making the rotation.
I’ll make an educated guess and say Don Kelly. He doesn’t have a role on this team as currently built, so why keep him on the 40 man? Utility men are dime a dozen.
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No hope for an Ankiel corollary to the Blass disease?
At some point last season, someone threw out a thought about whether Dontrelle might be converted to a position other than pitcher.
Was that just a fanciful conjecture, or could there have been a grain of possibility behind it?
I only mention it because every time I see Blass’ name, I automatically think of Ankiel, and what a remarkable job he’s done of salvaging a major league career.
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from the tigers' standpoint, doesn't matter
It took Ankiel years of playing in the minors to make it back. Willis is signed though the end of 2010. Besides, he has a lifetime .637 OPS, so I’m not sure why people keep expecting things of his bat. I know he had a good season at the plate, but that’s just one season.
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Based on body type, Ankiel looks about 5x the athlete Dontrelle does. 2nd, we need to just look at the Baltimore Orioles pitcher who moved to hitting after struggling on the mound to see that success is very, very unlikely.
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Adam Loewen?
Yeah, the conversion is a big deal, and if D-Train is really having anxiety issues, it’s not going to help the process.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Put Dontrelle in the OF for a while
Not to actually play him, just in ST B-squad and intrasquad games so he can run down liners and throw the ball a mile every time; it will give him a different perspective on the game. the mound can be too close to the action at times, figuratively and literally. Not at this level obviously, but I can honestly say after a lifetime of playing ball fairly well, I suddenly could not throw a ball across a basketball court width-wise without the ball going 10 ft in front of or above the guy standing across from me. after three years off and some time to relax and get comfortable with the people I was playing with, it went away and I played 5 more years. okay, sorry for the TMI portion of the thread, but i do understand his plight somewhat.
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by TigerFanInCleveland on Jan 18, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I thought it was Loewen but wasn’t sure.
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Maybe Dontrelle will surprise all of us this time around.
I’d vote for Fien to go, but then I couldn’t say Fie-he-he-henay! anymore and that would be sad. I guess my vote would be for Bonine.
Kelly or Fien would be my guess, but I wish it would be D-Train.
I think Bonine is safe as long as we have so many questions with the 4th and 5th SPs. Who knows maybe Minor becomes starter 5 and Bonine becomes long relief.
Bonine?
I’m suprised to see so many votes for Bonine. Sure he’s not the greatest pitcher but his last three starts were pretty solid. I would think he stays just because many of our starters are big question marks (Willis,Robertson,Bonderman etc)
by JAYRC on Jan 18, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If it's not Dontrelle.....
whoever does go down probably won’t have to wait long to come back up. A 7 BB in 1.2 IP should do it.
Kelly or Bonine
So, they’ll likely cut Sborz or Fien.
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I believe in Dontrelle
I still do for some reason.
by 13194013 on Jan 18, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For some reason...
…I do too, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why.
by frisbeepilot on Jan 18, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
If Dombrowski were smart
it’d be Willis.
The guy is toast in Detroit, and probably at the major league level in general.
Counterpoint
As long as D-Train is on the DL, we get a sizeable amount of his salary back in insurance.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see the D-Train make his dectractors eat their words...
and Willis returned to being an effective pitcher. But there’s no reason to believe he has the ability to turn his career around.
Willis has been trending (more like crashing, actually) downward since his excellent ‘05 season. Unfortunately, after 4 seasons of decline, it’s no longer a trend…Willis is a bad pitcher at this point of his career.
The only reason he keeps getting chances is the immense amount of cash he’s owed.
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I obviously I would like to lose D-Train
but it makes sense from a bottom line stand point to give him a shot in spring training. Of the other guys I really don’t care who stays and who goes but is there one guy from the group that would be most likely to re-sign on a minor league deal? Also, how exactly do the rules work once a guy is removed from the 40 man roster? I know they become a free agent and I believe waivers are involved, but if no other team is interested in Don Kelly as a number 3 hitter can he be resigned to a minor league deal with the Tigers organization?
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by tigerfaninChicago on Jan 18, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions
Don Kelly
I think Kelly will be removed from the 40 man roster. They probably want to keep him but he is also probably the easiest one to get through waivers.
I’m pretty sure Willis is being kept for insurance reasons.
Minor point of clarification...
I believe that Sborz has strictly been a reliever since he was drafted in 2003.
Having said that, +1 for the DFA of one Brad Thomas.
he's started in about 25% of his games
but yeah I should have gone with RP on that one, good call
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
not that anyone cares, but we all know I'd like to keep Donnie and Eddie around
I like Casey Fien but I think he may need some more work..
by allikazoo on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
One of the lefty relievers
I’d wager that DD would like to work a deal for Bobby Seay. He’s set to get an arbitration increase on his 1.3 mil salary, and then he’ll be a free agent at the end of the season. He got off to a fine start, leading the league in holds in the first few months, but then tanked in the second half, and was clearly (IMO) passed up by Fu Te Ni, as the primary lefty in the pen by season’s end. It’s been a nice run for Bobby, but with the additions of Ni, Coke, Schlereth, and Thomas, we’re set for lefties in the pen, and there are more in the pipeline.
Kelly is one of the candidates to be cut, and I was a little surprised that he made it past the Rule 5 draft, but there must be a reason for that. He could be in line for the 25th roster spot, he can play OF and IF, maybe back up in a pinch in the infield. He posted an OBP of .400 in Toledo, has been a SS most of his pro career, and hits from the left side. He has attributes that the team lacks. He’s still there for a reason.
Willis has to be a matter of insurance by this stage. Lynn Henning stated matter of factly last Thursday in a chat that the Tigers would save half of his salary if he spent the year on the DL. We all know that LH has been wrong more often than not, but maybe he knows something.
Of course, DD would rather swing a trade than just release a player, but that may not be possible. Someone could be designated for assignment, and that gives them ten days to work a trade, outright them if they clear waivers, or release them.
Hope it's not Bonine.
There’s something about him I like.
I remember watching Rick Ankiel play HS down here in Florida. It was like the 2nd coming, that’s how great he was. After the fall from grace, I never thought he would make it back as a hitter. He was a good athlete so I wasn’t concerned about fielding. He showed me something by making it, then showed me something else when he admitted to HGH or whatever it was. I guess the point is, never say never if the player really wants to come back.
by watsonstclair on Jan 19, 2010 6:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like Kelly
He’s versatile, and isn’t a liability on defense or offense (minus one lost ball in the HorrorDome). In other words, he’s a great bench player to go along with Ramon.
I don’t like letting anyone go, but it probably makes the most sense to try to trade Seay. I really like him, but we have plenty of good lefty relievers. Worst case scenario, if we send Schlereth to AAA for seasoning (which is likely), put Coke in the rotation (possible), then we’d still have Thomas and Ni left in the ’pen.
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More I think about it, the more Don Kelly just makes sense. He’ll probably be tried to get through waivers.
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Willis is locked in
His insurance policy will keeps him on the roster.
I don’t see what the big deal is with trimming a man off the 40 man roster. I agree that it’s most likely to be Don Kelly.
We should not pretend to do know about baseball player insurance
I think people are sounding far too confident they know what they’re talking about when in fact, we don’t have a clue what we’re talking about.
We just don’t.
It’s possible he’s been insured for some amount, but we don’t know for how much. We don’t know when it kicks in. We don’t know if the insurance company will dispute the reasoning for the disabled list. (And they should, on general principle. It is their money at risk for a non-physical injury.)
Here’s a post with ae bit more information, anyway.
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