Updated: Justin Verlander asks for $9.5 million in arbitration
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 19, 2010 5:59 PM EST
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The Tigers have apparently come to terms with every arbitration eligible player on the roster but one.
Justin Verlander has asked for $9.5 million for 2010, according to a list published by Fanhouse. The Tigers countered with an offer of $6.9 million. I really have little experience in speculating which offer would win out, but I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers and Verlander agreed to one in the middle before the hearing.
The Tigers have come to an agreement with Bobby Seay for one year at $2.475 million, MLB.com's Jason Beck reports. This is a raise of more than a million above the $1.3 million he received last season.
There are no reports on what pitcher Zach Miner and catcher Gerald Laird have agreed to. Miner was paid about $440,000 in 2009, while Laird earned $2.8 million.
Updates will be provided as necessary.
Update 1: Miner received a raise to $950k, Beck tweets.
Update 2: Gerald Laird gets $3.95 Million, per freep.com.
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He deserves every penny
The Tigers should start talking long term here. Lock up JV, I’ll pay another dollar for my brews if it means having JV on this team
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I have our total 2010 payroll
at about $127MM right now.
by StringTheory on Jan 19, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It includes JV at $8.25MM.
I just split the two arbitration submissions down the middle.
by StringTheory on Jan 19, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oops.
I used 9.6 as JV’s submission, not 9.5. Whatever, you get the idea.
by StringTheory on Jan 19, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
that should put talk of a fire sale to rest
unfortunately it doesn’t really seem like it’s buying them anything
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 19, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding
According to Cot’s Baseball Contracts our opening day payroll last year was 115,000. I know we have a lot of backloaded contracts on our hands, but yikes! We definitely aren’t better this year and have spent a decent amount more, with or without a raise for JV.
Were not better?
Explain why we are not better this year then last?……What is different?……Im just curious as to what you think makes us worse then last year?…..Thank You,
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well
for one thing they didn’t offer a 2 time gold glove winner arbitration, He may be declining in years, but had never had any major injuries and is great defensively – thus the 2 gold gloves. So that was puzzling, leaving a rookie to fill that hole.
Trading Curtis was a bad idea considering what we have going in the OF corners, and that we have the largest OF in the American league, not sure if that was a good idea. I hear that Jackson has great defensive skills, but still unproven. We need bats. He’s never played at Comerica, I predict a lot of balls will fall in the OF allowing runners to get on or move up. (I hope I am wrong)
Our SS is iffy at the plate and plays average defense at best.
We have a Medoza line catcher who’s good defensively but we need bats.
We have an 18mm contract on a declining player who cannot seem to find power anymore (he’s my favorite and may come back since he finished the season at .439 – higher than any BA in baseball in Sept and Oct – just had to throw that in)
We have a 12mm contract on a player that can’t seem to stay off the DL for too long or play lLF worth a darn.
oohh, what else, we have 2 or 3 pitchers that are being paid for non-performance
….and our 3rd baseman just had surgery on both his knees, (hope he comes back from that)
If I can think of anything else I’ll let you know
I was asking Baum
Thats what I thought hed say as well…..Just wanted to know what he thought for reasons.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of what Detroitchik said
Plus, even if those unhealthy guys happen to find a way to stay somewhat healthy, they are declining at a significant rate. Whatever you think of Sizemore (I love him), we are completely unproven up the middle, with 2B and CF being unknown quantities. While that may be good, I’m guessing that it’s going to take a good year for them to adjust to the majors. Shall we go on??
So no different really
then the begining of last season whort of two rookies maybe starting.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Go on.......
I’m going through the roster from last year in my head and out of the position players, I’m not remembering that.
try to keep it on topic here guys
arb, etc. feel free to put up a fanpost about what you think of the 2010 team, and express opinions til the cows come home!
Plus you forgot
a 3rd sacker thats coming a double knee surgery and isnt getting an younger….Hopefuly he is even healthy but even if he is he cant hit much either…But I believe in DD.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
here we go...
heres what hasn’t changed:
I could be positive and believe whole heartedly that Jackson and Sizemore will have really good rookie seasons and that Bonderman will get right back to his old self, but i can’t give that much hope too that many if’s.
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No idea what we have in Jackson?
I would hope we have some idea or we wouldnt have traded for him…..I think Ajax and sizemore will surprise just like Avila did last year.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
According to most scouts
Jackson needs some more time in the minors, which from the sounds of it we will not be giving him. I don’t think it is at all unreasonable to state that we don’t know what we have in him. And, his peripherals suggest that he wasn’t as good as his numbers last year.
but I wanted to whine...
using pretty bullets points.
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Polly's Big Bat?
Really? I remember a guy who had a lousy year at the plate; a guy with the lowest OPS of the 10 qualifying AL second basemen.
“Replacing Polly is a rookie, who while projected to be good is still an unknown commodity at the big league level and at any rate he will not come any where near Polly’s production this coming season.”
I’ll take that bet. Sizemore hit the crap out of the ball at Erie and Toledo. Polanco is on the decline; his entire offensive value is tied up in BA – usually the first thing to go.
+1
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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take this as an attack on my Polly...
This is what Placido Polanco does: (YES ANOTHER CHANCE FOR FANCY BULLETS!)
Placido Polanco’s big bat comes from the small, yet productive things he does with it. (no sexual innuendo’s please) It’s entirely possible that Sizemore will come up and hit for a good average, but he won’t be able to match Polanco’s total production. Given the total offensive makeup of the 2010 team, it’s something that they will miss.
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In terms of Polanco seeing a lot of pitches...
He saw 3.48 pitches per PA last year. League average in the AL was 3.84 and Brandon Inge led the regulars at 4.09…
Because Polanco doesn’t K much, he is consistently well below the league average in Pitchers seen per PA. His career average is 3.37 while the league average in that time frame is 3.83.
Conversely, Inge averages 4.07 PPA in his career with the league average of 3.83 in that time frame.
So Polanco being someone who fouls off a lot of pitches and makes the pitchers work at the top of the order isn’t really true. That’s actually a big weakness of his game.
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That 115 on the front page doesn’t include Sheffield at 13.6 though. We’ll have about the same total as last year.
by StringTheory on Jan 19, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
definitely forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder there. Regardless, it definitely doesn’t change my opinion of this team’s abilities and potential for this year.
Not quite
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT3vb-P22K4-JQ
Payroll is inching back up there, but not quite that high
They won't go to a hearing
They’ll agree on something like $7.75 mil. I’d prefer they just buy out his arbitration years (and maybe a year of free agency, too), but whatever. In other news, boy did the Giants ever lowball Tim Lincecum with their offer. Something like $6 mil. What?
Id be very nervous....
…..giving out any more huge contracts ala all of these…..Bonderman, Willis, Robertson…..Not saying hes not worth it but if something happens were in trouble again financially.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 19, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions
Verlander is the Bargain of the Century
The Tigers are lucky the figure did not go to 10 Million.
This is the time
to not only settle rather than going to arbitration, but to settle by signing him to a long(ish) term deal. Somewhere in the 4 year, 52 mill range.
This
I don’t know if he wants that though.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever Verlander wants, give it to him
He’s one of the few out there that actually deserve it
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Precedent:
Last year Verlander submitted 4.15 and the Tigers submitted 3.2. He signed before the arbitration hearing for 3.675, exactly in the middle.
Not too shabby
Still- deal him.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Good deal
Either one is a good deal for the tigers, especially with Felix getting his big contract. Unfortunately, not signing a big deal with him this offseason will make him more expensive next year.
Salary figures from the Freep
Laird will receive $3.95 million, Seay $2.475 million, and Miner $950,000.
I had them at 3.8, 2.2, and 750 K, respectively. I had Verlander at 7 mil, but it looks like he’ll wind up closer to 8.
Read more: http://apps.detnews.com/apps/forums/tigers/lettersindex.php#ixzz0d72kZ2y6
Verlander deserves every bit of 9.5
so he’ll be a bargain at just over 8, which is where they’ll likely settle
by Boney on Jan 19, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Verlander's comps
I think that if they go to a hearing, the club wins. I say that because of the comps for four year starting pitchers, including the top starters in MLB, such as Greinke, Lee, King Felix, etc.
If they split the difference, he’ll make 8.2 mil. If he doubles his 2009 salary, he’ll get 7.35 mil.
My guess- they settle for one year, 8 mil. (In fairness, I already guessed 7 mil)
Here are some comps for pitchers with 3 to 6 years experience. I won’t get into comparing performances. We all know that JV is among the very best.
Verlander, 4 yrs, made 3.675 mil, arby range 6.9 to 9.5 mil
Cliff Lee, 6 years, made 5.75, 8 mil option exercised
Greinke, 5 years, made 3.7, will make 7.25
Cole Hamels, 3 yrs, made 4.35, will make 6.65, then 9.5
Kazmir, 5 yrs, made 6 mil, will make 8 mil in 2010
Dan Haren, 5 yrs, made 7.5, will make 8.25
Joe Blanton, 5 years, made 5.475, asking 10 mil, offered 7.5
King Felix, 4 years, made 3.8 mil, will make 6.5
E Santana, 4 yrs, made 3.8, will make 6
Matt Cain, 4 years, made 2.65 will make 4.25
Adam Wainwright, 4 yrs, made 2.6, will make 4.65
Dave Bush, 5 yrs, made 4 mil
Brandon Webb, 6 yrs, made 6.5, club option for 8.5 mil option picked up
Chad Billingsley, 3 yrs, will make 3.85
Tim Lincecum, 3 yrs, made 650K, arby range 8- 13 mil (2 Cy’s in his bag)
Fausto Carmona, 3 yrs, will make 4.9, then 6.1 mil
Josh Johnson, 4 yrs, will make 3.75 mil
John Maine, 4 yrs, will make 3.3 mil
Wandy Rodriguez, 4 yrs, made 2.6, arby range
Zach Duke, 4 yrs, 2.2 mil, will make 4.3 mil
Paul Maholm, 4 yrs, made 2 mil, will make 4.5 mil
by Tigerdog1 on Jan 20, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Man Verlander must feel like a cheap piece of meat
To be a SP offered $6.9 million when a value-less closer got $7M
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Verlander's not a free agent
So there’s no comparison with Valverde. None.
by Tigerdog1 on Jan 20, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Uh, yeah, there's definitely a comparison there...
However, my comment was made in jest.
I realize the offer they made was knowing full well they’d (or they will) probably settle in the middle somewhere (see Mike’s msg. below).
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Well, since they're obviously equal in terms of production
I don’t see the problem with both of them making a very similar amount ;)
I say Verlander signs for around $8.75.
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WTF on Laird
Verlander deserves the full amount he asked for but why are we paying Laird nearly 4 million? I get the value of defense and handling a pitching staff, but the guy is almost a guaranteed out in the line-up as painfully demonstrated in the playoff game against the Twins. With Avila waiting in the wings I don’t see how Laird is worth much more than 3 million.
he'd have got it in arbitration anyway
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
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