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Afternoon prowl: Curtis Granderson says goodbye edition

We've already heard from Jason Beck on the Grand Kids Foundation celebrity basketball fund-raiser on Sunday, but here are a few more stories in the media, in case you missed them.

Granderson responded to charges in the media -- OK, in the Detroit News courtesy of Lynn Henning would probably be more accurate, as I'm not sure I remember reading them elsewhere -- that Grandy spent too much time doing things outside the game of baseball. Granderson had remained quiet on the subject, but opened up a bit. Beck wrote more about it on his blog.


"It's amazing how, you know, so much is talked about players not doing something [to give back]," Granderson said after Sunday's game. "Then I do something, and now that's the reason why everyone thought I was playing bad. But yet, my involvement with so many different things -- from my book, to my foundation, to education, the RBI program -- is very minimal.

That much is obvious of course. The Freep spoke to several fans about their feelings for that story.

This is not all bad. It is just different. In New York, Granderson will probably never have a day like he did at Birmingham Seaholm High School on Sunday, when his charity basketball game turned into a Farewell-to-Curtis extravaganza. It was a down-to-earth Midwestern day all around, from the packed high school gym to the former local heroes who still get big cheers (Mateen Cleaves, Jalen Rose, T.J. Duckett, Lloyd Carr).

They'll miss his smile, his skills, his work on behalf of educating our kids -- but they'll also miss the traits that made him seem so genuine.

Such as his affinity for fast-food value meals.

And knowing where the cheapest gas is on his drive from his home in Chicago to Detroit.

"As always," he said, "I waited until I got into Indiana before I filled up."

Of course, you've got to wait before you're outside of Gary, too, unless you've brought a gas mask. But Granderson knows that, I'm sure.

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Depending on how his Yankee career pans out...

Basing this on nothing other than a feeling, but this might be the sort of thing where he does four or five years in New York and then returns, Kirk Gibson-style, to the Tigers.

by crwi on Jan 25, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

It wouldn't be the same

The kind of thing Grandy had here, it can’t be brought back. There’s a thing that happens between a player and fans and a certain team that is rare and wonderful, and until it’s broken it’s hardly even acknowledged. When Giambi left Oakland, it was like that. When Nomar left Boston, it was like that. When Michael Hart left Michigan, or Ben Wallace left the Pistons, or Brett Favre left the Packers, it was like that. Once in awhile, great players come to personify their team. It is so rare that it is pretty much impossible for a player to do it twice, unless he is completely reinvented in his new digs, a la Barry Bonds.

To come back to Detroit 3 or 4 or 5 years later, say as a guy in his mid-‘30s, it would be nice, but the magic wouldn’t be there anymore (see Wallace, Ben).

He’s not going to be an All Star for the Yankees. You can bank that now. You can go play for the Yankees, and you can play well. That pinball machine they call a ballpark in the Bronx can only help our pull-happy line drive hitter, but his Gold Glove range will go to waste in an outfield designed after the one that Bernie Williams could cover. Under the lights of Yankee Stadium and Yankee fandom, his strikeout streaks are not going to as forgiveable. And it’s simply not going to be nearly as fun. He can’t possibly be the guy there — not even Alex Rodriguez could come to New York and take that from Jeter. Grandy will be window-dressing to them.

You can take your game to New York, but you can’t take your soul. That dies on the way.

We’re not just saying goodbye to Granderson here. We’re saying goodbye to the whole Granderson-Detroit-2006 thing. Expecting Austin Jackson to come in and become that guy, well, you’re talking about a guy with half the talent the guy we sent to Florida for Cabrera. Jackson may have been the best prospect in the Yankees farm system, but that’s like being named MAC Player of the Year. Grandersons don’t just come from nowhere, or even from mildly exciting prospects. That’s why they’re special: because they’re so rare. It’s even rarer still for a guy like that to come up in one of the few markets that can support a great player for the entirety of his career — that won’t have to strip and rebuild and sell off assets at some point. Granderson exemplified to us that we wouldn’t be a constantly rebuilding team anymore — that we had a core. That we had a heart to this ballclub.

We did. We don’t. I’m not even going to qualify this with a “if it pans out.” This was a white-flag trade that is bad today and will be bad tomorrow. It is a profound slap in the face to Tiger fans, who will react by not buying as many tickets for the next few years, which will further strain the team’s resources and force more White Flag deals. And furthermore, in the one pro sport where being bad for a couple of years is the least likely to make you better in the long run, we have made ourselves worse at playing baseball.

by Misopogon on Jan 26, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I think that’s a bit much; we’re not talking about Al Kaline. We’re talking about a good player and a very good guy, not the heart and soul of the Tigers.

And I don’t think your comparisons help your case: Nomar? The Sox won the WS a couple months after they dumped him, and within a couple years Nomar had dwindled into a shell of his former self. It was a great deal for Red Sox fans. And Mike Hart? You mean the guy whose teams went 0-4 against OSU? Sorry if I don’t celebrate the Hart-era as a special time for UM Football.

“Grandersons don’t just come from nowhere, or even from mildly exciting prospects.”

But that’s just what Curtis was – a mildly exciting prospect, who worked his way up “from nowhere” to become a solid major league player.

by JB2 on Jan 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Granderson was #47 on John Sickles’ Top 50 Hitting Prospects list in 2005.

Oddly enough, Sizemore is right around #50 on that list…

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Jan 26, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if you realize this...

but Ben Wallace is having an amazing come back in Detroit right now.

by madpoopz on Jan 26, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

*facepalm

This guy is a nut.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

are you facepalming because I may have once again missed sarcasm (if so I don’t see it) or really is it just because Misopogon’s post is a bit ummmm….strange?

by madpoopz on Jan 26, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And for your next act

you will try to be just a tad more objective next time.

There are valid points in that diatribe, there are also overstatements that scream of Yankee bias.

Jackson may have been the best prospect in the Yankees farm system, but that’s like being named MAC Player of the Year

Really?

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 26, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a farm system that has been decimated

They brought up what was there, and traded away enough before then. We’re not exactly talking about the Angels’ farm system here. Being the best player in AAA for the Yankees is cool and all, but he’s not a Maybin-level talent.

by Misopogon on Jan 28, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

never tried to argue that Jackson was a Maybin-level talent, but more importantly, the Yankee farm system you’re thinking of is how it was back earlier in the decade.

Obviously it’s not the best right now, but since roughly 2005-2006, it’s been better than it was prior to that. Prior to those years, it was an unmitigated disaster of a farm.

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 28, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Grandy is not the same player he was a few years ago.

He’s really just been an over glorified platoon player. Trading him was perhaps the best thing the Tigers could do to make the team better. He’s the best trade bait we’ve had since Jeff Weaver.

by linuxit on Jan 27, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

"platoon player"

That’s my biggest fear about him. The fact that he is completely incapable of hitting left-handed pitching.

Until he shows competence in that regard, I can only think of him as a platoon guy.

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing wrong with being a platoon player

Here’s the thing. He’s not very good against left-handers, but he still has an OPS of 828 for his career (or, a wOBA of .358, if you like.)

Quite often, I’ll take that over a guy who splits it evenly against RHP and LHP.

You know why? You know Granderson’s issue. Unless his platoon buddy is a big drop-off defensively, he’s playing in 20% fewer games, and the production from the center field position actually goes up by solving the predictable hole.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

For the Tigers, there was a problem with platooning him

We already have a situational nightmares in LF and RF with Guillen and Ordonez. I just couldn’t see us carrying a 6th Outfielder to platoon with Granderson. We need Clete Thomas or someone like him to be a late inning replacement for Ordonez. Then we also will need Raburn going in for Guillen when he plays LF. We need a full-time CF and there’s no way around it.

by linuxit on Jan 27, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately, the tigers still need one

they traded up against left handed pitching but traded down against right-handed pitching, which they’ll see 3 to 4 times as frequently.

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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 27, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We got one with Austin Jackson

I’m glad he’s going into the season unproven. That’s how every player should have to go into a season. Some players just don’t strive to improve after they get a fat multi-year contract. I’ve seen it a thousand times with baseball players. It’s the climb to the top that motivates baseball players. Maintaining skills at a peak level is something only a few players are able to do. Those are the players you want to keep, the others are ones you want to trade before their value diminishes.
We’re going to get the best years from Austin Jackson.
We likely got the best years from Granderson also.

by linuxit on Jan 27, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

so your argument is basically

austin jackson is better than curtis granderson. and that’s because he’s unproven.

I honestly don’t know what to say to that. But OK. if that’s what you believe, great. Hopefully, you will allow some skepticism.

All your favorite Tigers blog are belong to me.
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 28, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"Quite often, I’ll take that over a guy who splits it evenly against RHP and LHP."

Absolutely. And that concept is also why I have a distaste towards the use of lefty specialists. They are literally only good for 1 hitter, usually. To me, it seems like an inefficient use of roster space.

I’ll try and seek out a bullpen full of relievers who have the ability to retire both lefties and righties. Provides for more options if so needed.

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ticket sales might go down, but

you’ll still be paying to watch the Tigers if you got cable or satellite TV. Maybe you don’t know, but the Tigers have one of the best tv contracts in baseball with FSN Detroit (where they have over 3.2 million subscribers). They have a 10 year deal with FSN worth $400 million. They’ll also get another $30 Million from MLB for the national TV, radio, and internet broadcasting deals.

In reality, TV is what drives the payroll. Winning is what drives the ticket sales. With the pitching they have, winning won’t be that difficult either.

by linuxit on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Was Granderson popular with team mates?

I think that’s the biggest question. After Tigerfest I got the feeling that he wasn’t.

by linuxit on Jan 25, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

There is an unwritten code in the clubhouse about confidentiality and not getting too friendly with the media. Writing that blog for ESPN may have crossed some borders. It’s not Curt Schilling territory where other players can’t stand him anymore, but it’s just something that doesn’t go over well with teammates.

It just seems like he went into the Curtis Granderson business. That shirtless photo shoot he did for Mens Health magazine probably didn’t make him any friends either. It makes me wonder why he would put himself in the spotlight like that time after time. The reality show he’s going to have is the biggest kicker.

by linuxit on Jan 25, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

All I can say is CG.....

……is a calss act….Plain and simple.

by BennieBladesFan on Jan 25, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

more and more athletes

Are doing that kind of thing to get their names and more importantly their sports in the public eye – blogging, Twitter, social networking, personal webpages, etc. I don’t think anyone thinks less of it unless they are far behind the times, in which case they are soon-to-be-extinct dinosaurs anyway.

If someone promotes himself at the expense of the team (claiming excessive responsibility for teammates’ accomplishments) or rips on other people, then that’s different – but Curtis never did that. He was just open to the fans.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 25, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with being an individual either. That’s his personality. He was brought up to be a strong willed person. If I were him, I would write books, have tv shows, write blogs, host charity events, and do all the fan/self related stuff too. I wouldn’t be one of the boys in the clubhouse or be part of any team cliques either. Being popular with teammates probably doesn’t even matter to him. That said, I think he’ll fit in well with the Yankees.

by linuxit on Jan 25, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with that

I had a feeling there was a very good rapport with his team mates, I always had a feeling he was liked by him and vice verse.

by Detroitchik on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

granderson

You know how bad off this state is when a major league ballplayer has to buy gas in Indiana

by Robeartoe on Jan 25, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

wrong direction

He was driving FROM Chicago to Detroit – gas in Illinois is very expensive, so he waited until crossing the border into Indiana to gas up. It has nothing to do with how bad off Michigan is – that doesn’t even make any sense.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 25, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dammit

Now I’m all sad again. :(

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 25, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

Bye-Bye Curtis :_(

Hello Austin Jackson… Hope you’re ready…

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