Verlander: A Man Worth the Money.
The discussion as of late is Justin Verlander and the contract offer being made to him. Of what's happening I'll just link over to Kurt's post.
I'm of the opinion that Verlander deserves this money. To explain, why I'm going to break this post into two parts: Tangibles and intangibles. Tangibles are the things we can see and/or measure such as mechanics or pitch velocity. Intangibles are those other things that a player does, more of the feeling you get when you see them out there. Basically attitude if you will.
Analysis after the jump.
Tangibles: What, in terms of pitching ability, separates Verlander from the other guys in the league. Having three above average pitches helps his case. But what does our staff ace throw? According to Fangraphs Verlander throws a fastball, curveball, slider, and changeup.Percentage wise Justin loves his fastball. An understandable love at that. He throws it around 65% of the time with a velocity averaging about 95mph. Very nice. Add in the fact that all the appropriate movement is there (tailing in on RH hitters), you have a very formidable pitch. Heres the best part of the great fastball, a really good fastball always makes for a really good changeup. And that is what Verlander has.
His changeup technically is his best pitch, scoring a better pitch type value than Justin's fastball per 100 pitches thrown. But there is a trick to change-ups because if they were easy to throw than every guy in this league with an above average fastball would have just as effective of a change-up as Verlander. The key to a good change-up lies within being able to have it come out of the hand at the same arm angle and the same arm speed as the fastball, but approach the batter at a lower velocity. A change-up is a deception pitch created by skill and of course having a really good fastball to back it all up.
Now fastballs and change-ups are nice, but if you only ever throw the two of them your going to get predictable and location of each pitch all of a sudden needs to be perfect. Gotta have a good ol' knee buckler to throw every once in a while. For Justin, that pitch is his curveball. It's a breaking pitch and the very nature of the breaking pitch is to keep hitters on their toes. Again Justin has an above average breaking pitch.
Now in terms of tangibles we've talked about what he currently has. None of us are really worried about tomorrow yet. It's two or three or four years down the line that we are worried about. I'll give my evidence that Verlander's future is very bright indeed.
I'm going to talk about one more pitch that Justin has, and that is a slider. It's a new pitch for him to throw on a semi regular basis. And while right now it might not be a great pitch for him it lends us insight into his future. It's just a fact that as our ace gets older he'll lose velocity on his fastball. It's inevitable. So as that velocity fades he'll have to do what all long lasting pitchers do and that is deceive that batter instead of over powering him. This accomplished through pitch location, adding and removing velocity on pitches, and having a variety of pitches to throw. The fact that he's adding pitches to his repertoire at this stage in his career means that in five years Justin is going to have at least 4 pretty effective pitches. I'd say that's a pretty good amount to mix and match with.
The last tangible item I'd like to talk about is of course Verlanders mechanics. Now I've essentially wrote one piece in a fanpost about how good his mechanics are. I'm not going to go step by step through all that again. What I will reiterate is how his good mechanics translate into injury risk. Essentially, given how good his mechanics are, Justin has no injury risk. Not now and (in my opinion) not in the foreseeable future. They're that sound. Now it's not like risk isn't there, but if I was gonna sign a pitcher to long term contract Verlander would be near the top of the list because of his good mechanics.
So tangibly he's good. Very very good. But what about that other stuff?
Intangibles: What did we see from Verlander every 5th day as a starter in 2009? We saw a guy not wanting to win, but expecting to win. It's an attitude necessary for any team looking to add young talent not only to a pitching staff but to the lineup as well. Having a guy on your team saying through his words and actions "we are going to win" is an attitude that is infectious. It gives confidence and confidence lets players use their abilities to the fullest. Really, this attitude is the one intangible that matters.
Verlander wants to win. Five years down the line I don't see Verlander not wanting to win. 10 years from now I don't see Verlander not wanting to win. It's an attitude that isn't necessarily taught but passed along to those around. It's an attitude that I want around my team for the next five years because it's effect that can last longer than the length of the contract itself.
Summary: Verlander has what it takes to be a pitcher on a long term contract. His actions on the field tell me that he will not get hurt because of the nature of his mechanics. His attitude tells me that he will inspire his teammates to always play nine innings of baseball. And the nature of his pitches tells me that in his time here in Detroit and beyond umpires will be saying "out" more than "safe" when Justin Verlander is on the mound.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.
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I perdict 6 years for 96 million
I don’t know why but I also want Damon for 1 year to ease Austin into the line up…
I'd like to get Damon as well...
but at the same time I see the real need to sign an infielder.
Really our next piece is a toss up for me because I see the need for either.
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I think saying “Verlander has no injury risk” is 100% false. Every pitcher has an injury risk because pitching overhand and throwing as hard as he does absolutely carries an injury risk. It’s an unnatural motion that is slowly wearing on the shoulder and elbow — we were not built to do this. Whether he actually gets injured … who knows. That’s just luck and genetics. His mechanics poses LESS injury risk, but there is still an injury risk.
His 2009 is an outlier in terms of the rest of his body of work. Me, loving sabermetics, has trained myself to be ware of outliers and breakout seasons. However, I think there’s validity in this because my philosophy on pitchers are this:
1) They are maxed out in their abilities much earlier in their lives. Hitters reach a power peak in their later 20’s (27-29 depending on where on the aging argument you fall). So they are going to get better.
Pitchers, however, don’t. They don’t add velocity (the pitcher’s “power” department) because our bodies are physically maxed. It is because of that that I don’t believe in someone’s performance in the minors being great because he was “young for the level” because they are performing an act that doesn’t matter what age the kid is — once you get to be about 20, you’re going to throw as hard as you will be able to at 25.
Because of this, I don’t see Verlander getting better from here on out and drastically improving his numbers across the board. His 2009 was drastically better than his career, and I’m not sure that it’s repeatable or close to repeatable. Sometimes players just have phenomenal years they can’t replicate. I think Verlander’s 09 is that year. Maybe that makes me a pessimist, though. I’m not sure.
2) Pitching versus throwing. There is a lot to be said about this. However, even with our PITCHf/x advancements, this is still an unquantifiable part of someone’s game. Did he learn to throw curves at the right time instead of the wrong time in the past? I’m not sure. How many times do we hear that someone has changed their profile in how they play only to then struggle again down the road (usually, not far down the road, either). I’m not exactly buying that, either.
As far as intangibles go … I’m not a big believer in them. Sure, they probably play a part in it (mental toughness for the most part), but the whole “expecting to win” is something that I just don’t think is truthful. Did he not expect to win for the last four years? I know Rod Allen droned on and on and on and on about his “scowl” now, but just because he put on an angry face his K’s didn’t suddenly rise or he suddenly became better.
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Good points
A counterpoint, however. I do think you’re underrating his 2007 season a bit. As a rookie in 2006, he was a bit lucky in that he allowed a bunch more balls to be hit in play than you’d really like (especially from a power pitcher). 6.00 K/9, to be exact. His tRA kind of backs that up (5.42). FIP and xFIP have him as more of a middle-of-the-pack guy than an elite ace. Reminder: dude was a rookie in ’06.
No, to ‘07 which is the point of why I’m posting this. JV really began to exhibit the characteristics of a stud in his second go around, cracking the top 10 in K/9 (8.17) and top 15 in K/BB (2.73). Advanced metric-wise, his xFIP was right next door to Roy Halladay and his regular old FIP was right aroudn that of Fausto Carmona (who nearly won the Cy that season). So, yeah, JV certainly made a mini-leap from ’06 to ’07.
I suppose I should mention 2008. I blame this on 2 things: Chuck Hernandez and poor luck. Remember in Spring Training that year – the big to-do about getting Verlander to be more efficient and blah blah (“pitching to contact”)? You know, fixing what wasn’t broke. Thanks, Chuck. Oddly, his FIP (4.18) was better than is ERA (4.84) this season which is part of the reason why I think he suffered in the luck department. He walked too many guys, though (almost 4 per 9 innings).
Anyway, big picture. I think you can count on JV to throw you 200+ innings of pretty solidly above average pitching based on his track record. That’s not nothing. Occasionally he’ll even have a great season (2009). Is that worth $75 million? I’ll let you be the judge.
Yeah, i know I probably am undervaluing his 2007 season. I guess most of my backlash has come with the droves of Tigers fans that’ve said time and time again how much of an ace he was back in 2006 and 2007 when I didn’t feel he truly was one at the time (though, I am wrong on his 2007).
As far as his cost … I won’t complain about signing him for $75 mil, but that’s about as far as I’ll go price wise and 5 years is 100% pushing it for me solely because he is a pitcher and they have a much higher attrition rate than position players.
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Also, I do want to say that I’m 100% a cynic, so i’ll always err on the perceived negative side of the fence — more-so when it comes to Tigers players.
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Agreed on 2006
He was overrated after that season in many quarters on account of the RoY, ERA and win totals. And also the 100-mph fastballs and WS appearance. Looking back, I’m inclined to believe that he was a rookie and learning how to pitch at this level – that’s why the K totals and advanced metrics don’t look as good as the “traditional” numbers.
Also, I’m probably more than a little biased in analyzing him simply because of a decade-plus of absolute crap on the pitching staff. It’s nice to have a guy that’s actually, you know, good.
Oh and intangibles
I only go to the bathroom when the Tigers are batting with JV on the hill. So that’s something, I guess.
I admit...
I overstated his lack of injury risk. The violence of the motion always leaves open the possibility of injury to any number of parts of the body and any number of factors can reduce muscle strength and increase the chance of injury. HIs mechanics however due significantly reduce the chance of injury and increase the chance of recovery from any injury sustained.
But your right about pitchers maturing much earlier than hitters. Verlander is never going to put on any more velocity than he has now. But due to his height he will always have above average velocity. But the fact that his velocity can only diminish makes the fact that he’s starting to add a 4th pitch to his repertoire even more encouraging because it can increase the deceptiveness of his game.
Pitching v. Throwing: Maybe I should have put this in the intangible because I didn’t check anything to see what he threw in specific counts, but what I was trying to say is that he’s developed into more than just a guy who throws heaters at the plate. He now has the confidence to use that curveball when the count may call for a fastball. Just in my opinion real pitchers have enough confidence in all of their pitches to throw any of them in any count. Verlander is developing that confidence and it will increase his deceptiveness as a pitcher.
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I'll say this as well....
there aren’t many pitchers that I’d be willing to sign for this length of time. Verlander is one of them.
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I just want to say
that Verlander has the fastest starter fastball in the American League. Why on earth does the guy need MORE power?
didn't say he needed more.
that’d be cool though. :)
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I was referencing my general philosophies on hitters v. pitchers (more-so when talking about the minors).
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Also, you guys and Scottwood have been talking me into the JV camp more and more.
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