Tigers in on Jose Valverde bidding?
A reporter tweets something and we have to write about it? I hate chasing around every rumor that a reporter types; but I suppose that's what I signed up for. Here we go:
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports tweeted:
Source: (Reliever Jose) Valverde has four offers, two of more than one year, all to be a closer. Arizona and Detroit are in.
This comes two days after Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski told MLB.com's Jason Beck:
"We're content with what we have now, the guys we have out there."
So, looks like somebody's got some bad information somewhere.
Some stats via Fangraphs or First Inning: His career ERA is 3.17 in 386 innings pitched. He has a career 3.47 fielding independent pitching stat, 10.96 strikeouts per nine innings (strikeouts in about 25-30 percent of plate appearances), 3 strikeouts per walk, a 40 percent ground-ball rate and one home run allowed per nine innings. So, he's got some pretty nice peripherals, for sure.
Valverde earned $3 million lost year while making 38 saves for the Houston Astros. Possibly the best closer on the market for the offseason, he was likely looking for a better deal than former Tigers relievers Fernando Rodney or Brandon Lyon got. Of course, what hurts him is his status as a Type A free agent who turned down arbitration. Long and the short of it you know by now: It's going to cost his new club a first-round draft pick, which means he'll struggle to find a team to offer him the kind of money he is looking for.
The Tigers would do fine to sign him up as closer if the price was right.
But it's the price thing that doesn't make much sense, isn't it?
The Tigers did not keep around a popular second baseman in Placido Polanco because they had a younger option who wouldn't cost much. They traded Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson to increase organizational depth and/or to save money.Oh, and that organizational depth they added came in the form of relievers.
So why would they give up a draft pick and forfeit the payroll savings by paying what it would cost to sign Valverde?
I don't think they would.
But it's my job to chase the rumors, so there you have it.
update: Jason Beck blogged his thoughts.
Fri AM update: Beck tweets source confirms Brown's tweet.
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"So why would they give up a draft pick and forfeit the payroll savings by paying what it would cost to sign Valverde?"
Damn good question.
Sure, I’d be happy to have Valverde. But after spewing all the gloom and doom about payroll and revenue, why the sudden change of heart? The Tigers suddenly want to spend big money on a closer, when there are some intriguing (also younger and cheaper) in-house candidates?
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I just don't know what the direction this team is going anymore.
I don’t want to read about Valverde signing with the Tigers tomorrow.
PASS.
That is all.
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+1
Give us Kiko Calero over Jose.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 7, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you could just hit "rec" ya know!
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 7, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I could
But I can’t type “Give us Kiko Calero over Jose” without leaving the subject line blank.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
why not? heck you could type it into the subject line like I just did.
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 7, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
you could do both?
rec and +1 and “Give us Kiko over Jose.”
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I dunno
To me, you don’t rec everything you agree with- it’s like a tiered system.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 8, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
YES PLEASE.
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As much as I would love to see us sign someone, anyone...
This doesn’t make much sense. It would just give more credence to the thought that this team has no idea which direction it’s going.
For that reason, I would guess it’s smoke.
Similar to rumors from reporters
I would take anything DD says with a grain of salt, also… he’s not going to tell us the truth about what they are doing behind closed doors. It’s probably best for the negotiations not to do so, especially when other teams are at play.
DD said in November:
“I can assure you 100 percent that we do not have any kind of fire sale, or salary dump, or whatever you might call it, taking place,” he said.
Well, we’ve heard the Granderson and Jackson deal described as a ‘salary dump,’ so either DD was straight up lying, had a fairly drastic change of heart, or felt the trade was for reasons other than money. Either way, his 100% comment was misleading.
Plus a DD quote later in that same Beck article quoted in this tells me that he’s willing to sign Valverde if it’s going to make the team better this year (and it sounds like he’s really trying to gauge how ready Zoom will be):
“At this point, we’re still open-minded,” Dombrowski said. “If something happens [that] we feel can help us, we’ll do that.”
Any idea how much Valverde is seeking/being offered by these 4 teams? I know he won’t be getting the $8 mil he made last year from the D-Backs or Tags, but that’s fairly obvious.
One thing is for sure, he’d be the polar opposite of Rodney in terms of behavior after closing out a game (Rodney: chill man…. & Valverde: seizure fist pumps)
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by Packey on Jan 7, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If the price is right...sure.
Rodney got a ridiculous contract, Lyon got a ridiculous contract, Valverde is probably expecting one as well.
Keep the closer internal.
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Just wait for it
There’s no reason for the Tigers to compete with other teams for Valverde’s services when (like DDbaseball said) there’s an option that’s pretty close to as good in Kiko Calero available.
However, if he lasts on the market for as long as Juan Cruz did last year, I’d be fine with Valverde coming for something around what Brandon Lyon got last season. Someone said that the 1st rounder wouldn’t hurt as badly for Detroit because of their willingness to pay over slot for talent in the draft anyway (and the sandwich picks they’ve already acquired).
A lot of things would have to fall into place for it to happen, but Detroit could do a lot worse than waiting and seeing if the best closer on the market could fall into their lap at a below market cost (however unlikely that may be).
Disagree
Losing the first rounder would hurt like hell-overpaying or no.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 8, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
NO way in he** are we losing that first-rounder…and pshh, might as well sign aroldis chapman while you’re at it.
+1
This is what I’m talking about. For the record, it would make much more sense to sign Chapman than to sign Valverde, though I’m skeptical about Chapman… if the Tigers FO passes on a power pitcher, I doubt his ability.
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I'd rather see what Chapman could do too
even if he ends up in the minors for the whole year
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 8, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope this is a joke
because the bullpen is already stocked. If we add another reliever (albeit a legitimate closer), it’s going to cost the guy’s salary plus a roster spot (and in this case, a first round pick to boot). I vote pass.
Beck says Tigers interested apparently
Via his tweet: Source seconds Yahoo report of four offers on Valverde. Tigers apparently interested.
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Not worth it
Please don’t to it. This is the year to save money and we have some guys that are capable of stepping up and grabbing the role. Rodney did it last year.
I can think of only one piece of upside here
His glasses make him look like a Latin Rick Vaughn.
While that’s incredibly badass, it’s not worth a) the money, b) the roster spot, c) the first-round draft pick, d) the bullpen prospect(s) that get shafted because of this decision. Pass.
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This confirms my worst suspicions of DD
He never has a coherent plan. He’ll do one thing (trade away granderson and jackson for younger/cheaper pieces) and then immediately turn around and do the exact opposite. This is why I wouldn’t be surprised to see one or two really good signings by us next offseason and one or two boneheaded moves as well.
Not my money
So I would love to see Valverde signed… my only hesitation is losing the pick. The thing about supplementary picks though, is if the player you signed remains good, you eventually get your pick back if/when he moves on to another team.
The reason I don’t really care about the money is, at this point, I don’t see the Tigers buying anything other than closer or lefty DH. So if it’s between Ilitch keeping more money or Valverde getting paid, let’s bring in Valverde!
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by Kurt Mensching on Jan 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would only give up a first round pick
for a position player or starting pitcher being signed for four or more years. It’s too much to give up for, at most, a two-year reliever.
This is stupid.
Why pay for something you already have a bunch of, just to try and quiet down those whispers of : we need an experienced closer? Cripes…
Just for some perspective
A first round draft pick provides, on average, around $5 million in value to a club. So, whatever we give Valverde, if he were to sign in Detroit, would automatically need $5 mil more tacked on to it.
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