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Your handy guide To November roster moves

There are a number of events following the end of the World Series, leading up to and through Baseball's winter meetings in early December, that can significantly impact how teams' rosters begin to take shape for the following season.

This year, MLB and the MLB Players' Association have agreed to advance several deadline dates which together have the impact of shortening the waiting period following the end of the World Series before teams begin to change their rosters, and of lengthening the off season by ten more days.     Some events to watch in November, 2010:

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OPTIONS

Although each player contract is unique, most player options and club options to extend player contracts for another season must be exercised within a few days after the end of the World Series.    The Tigers have already announced that they have declined the $ 15 million option for 2011 on Magglio Ordonez, and he will become a free agent.   They hold a $ 7 million club option on Jhonny Peralta, which can be either picked up or bought out for $ 250,000.  The Tigers are expected to buy out Peralta's option and try to work out a contract for Jhonny to be their starting shortstop in 2011.   Speculation is that he will get a two year contract for slightly less than Brandon Inge's two year, $ 11 million contract, which adds a third year with a $ 500K buyout.   The Tigers also hold a $ 1.5 million option on Rick Porcello, who actually made almost $ 2 million in 2010, so it's a no brainer that option will be picked up.

THE WALKING WOUNDED;  

Clubs have until the end of the World Series to activate all players from the 60 day disabled list.   Clubs have until November 20 to file their lists of up to 40 players that will be protected in the Rule 5 draft.    This often results in the team having to release another player to make room for the returning wounded.   Last year, the Tigers released Marcus Thames, who was on the active roster, and Matt Treanor, who was activated from the 60 day DL.   Zach Miner, Joel Zumaya, and Bobby Seay are on the 60 day DL this season.   Bobby will become a free agent, and the Tigers will have to remove a player from the roster if they wish to activate Miner or Zoomer.

FREE AGENCY: 

Every player that is not signed for the 2011 season will declare free agency within five days following the end of the World Series.   For the Tigers, this list includes Jeremy Bonderman, Gerald Laird, Magglio Ordonez, Jhonny Peralta, Johnny Damon, and Bobby Seay.   Brandon Inge has been signed to a two year extension and will not file, while Adam Everett, Dontrelle Willis, and Nate Robertson are already free agents, but the contractual obligations that the Tigers have for these players will come off the spreadsheet.  The Tigers may offer Bobby Seay a minor league contract when he is able to pitch, and that would allow him to rehab and try to work his way back to the major leagues.   However, he is not expected to be able to pitch until well after the 2011 season starts.

At the beginning of the free agency period, teams can begin to negotiate general terms with agents regarding players coming to play for their clubs.   During this period, agents will get a sense of the interest that the market holds for their clients, and this may determine whether or not they will later try to work out extensions with their existing clubs, or whether they'll accept offers of arbitration.

ARBITRATION

Clubs have until November 23 to offer arbitration to their existing players who are scheduled to become free agents, if they want to retain the right to receive compensation for them should they sign with another club.   In order to receive compensation, the player must be a Type A or a Type B free agent, the former club must offer arbitration, the offer must be declined, and the player must sign a contract with another club.   Potential compensation for losing a Type A player is a supplemental "sandwich" draft pick between the first and second rounds in next June's Amateur player draft, plus either a first or second round pick from the team that signs the player.    Potential compensation for losing a Type B player is just one sandwich pick.

In the case of the Tigers, Jhonny Peralta is a Type B free agent, and the Tigers may offer him arbitration should they not be able to work out a contract with him.    Magglio is a Type A free agent, but I do not expect the Tigers to offer arbitration because he would surely accept and receive much more in arbitration than he would get on the free agent market because of his salary history and years of experience.   Gerald Laird is a Type B free agent, but I don't expect the Tigers to offer arbitration, even though Laird will try to find a starting job which he would not have in Detroit.   Jeremy Bonderman is an unranked free agent, so there is no reason to offer him arbitration. Like Magglio, I would not expect the Tigers to offer arbitration to Damon, a Type B free agent, who would surely accept and return for more money than they care to pay him.  I don't expect the Tigers to offer arbitration to any of their pending free agents.

Players then have until November 30 to accept or decline their former clubs' offers of arbitration.   There are about 85 players each season that are Type A or Type B free agents.   About 25 or so will be offered arbitration, and very few of those (maybe two or three) will accept.   From the player's standpoint, accepting arbitration means that they can only sign with one club, at a rate that will be decided by an arbitratior if they do not come to terms, and the deal will be for one year.  Players coming off a good season will almost always want to cash in by landing a multi year contract.    Clubs rarely offer arbitration just to receive the compensation, unless they are certain that the player will decline.   Clubs can still sign their own free agent players if arbitration is not offered. 

THE RULE 5 DRAFT:

The collective bargaining agreement requires clubs to put players on their 40 man roster within four or five years of the day that they sign their first pro contract, depending on their age when they sign.   This year, the eligible players for the Rule 5 draft will be those drafted out of college in the 2007 draft or prior, and those drafted out of high school in the 2006 draft or prior.  Players signed as international free agents are also eligible.  If a player is not on the 40 man roster within this time frame, he is eligible to be selected in the "Rule 5 draft" by another club.   Some players that are eligible in the Tiger organization include Cale Iorg, Gustavo Nunez, Zach Simons, LJ Gagnier, Lester Olivares, Charlie Furbush, Luke Putkonen, Ben Guez, Deik Scram, Brendan Wise, Jeff Kunkel, Duane Below, and Luis Marte.    Mark Anderson at Tigstown.com (whose opinion I trust on such matters more than my own) says that "In the end, I think you'll see Iorg, Nunez, Oliveros, and one of Villarreal or Below protected....but this is an inexact science for sure."  (See the thread "Rule 5 draft" on Tigstown for a discussion.  Yep, that's me that started that thread).  I am truly puzzled as to why Zach Simons would not be protected.

For each player added to the 40 man roster, there must be another player that is taken off the roster.    While a club can use the space vacated by a departing free agent, they will not use roster spots that they intend to fill by adding free agents.   A club will not put a player on the roster just to protect him from the Rule 5 draft if there's a good chance that they have to take him off later.  It's easier to escape the Rule 5 draft than it is to clear waivers later on, because Rule 5 draftees must remain on the 25 man roster all season long, while waiver claims must only remain on the 40 man roster.  A club must also keep a vacancy on their roster if they wish to be eligible to select a player in the Rule 5 draft.

TENDERS AND NON TENDERS:

Candidates to be taken off the roster to make room for others would include Brent Dlugach, Jeff Frazier, Audy Ciriaco, Jay Sborz, Fu Te Ni, and Max St. Pierre.   It would be no surprise to see any of these players removed from the roster to make room for others on the rise.   These players could also be removed if and when a free agent player is signed, or a trade acquisition is made.     Clubs have until December 2nd to offer a contract, at minimum 80% of last year's salary, to players who are not eligible for free agency.   In many cases, these players will be retained for the major league minimum or slightly above.  Other players are eligible for arbitration, if they have more than three, but less than six years of service time in the major leagues.    If a player is not tendered a contract, he is then a free agent.   The Tigers may choose to non tender Brad Thomas, who made $ 1 million in 2010, or Zach Miner, who spent the season on the disabled list, but is eligible for arbitration after making $ 950K last season.

 

THE WINTER MEETINGS

The General Managers hold an annual meeting where some trade discussions and discussions with agents often begin, and this year's meetings are scheduled to take place on November 16- 17 in Orlando, Fla.   This year's Winter Meetings will take place in Lake Buena Vista, near Orlando, Fla, from December 6- 9, 2010.  The Rule 5 draft is traditionally held on the last day of the Winter Meetings, but there was some chatter about moving that date forward this year, as all the other deadlines have been moved forward by ten days.    The Winter Meetings are swarming with GM's, agents, players, and media.  There is much talk of wheeling and dealing, and the hot stove never gets hotter than it does during this three day period.   Trades are made, free agents are signed, and rumors rule the roost.

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Thanks for this.

I certainly learned alot and now have some baseball stuff to look forward to in November and December.

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by JerseyTigerFan on Nov 1, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Post, perhaps most enjoyable since I started reading this blog

looking forward to world series end, surprised Tigstown didn’t think Furbush would be protected on 40-man.

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by Hack Johnson on Nov 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks TigerDog

All the above gets me through the rest of the year. January is the month I can’t wait to be over, because pitchers and catchers are down in Lakeland mid-February.
Hope Mr. Ilitch gives DD a green light for a top starter, a 3 hitter, a 5 hitter, a setup man in the bullpen, and a 2 hole hitter with slash and speed. Jackson and say either Crawford/Gardner as 1 – 2 can race around the bases and let the rest of the lineup drive them in.

by KalineCountry on Nov 1, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Dlugach/Frazier/Fu-Te Ni/Iorg are protected ahead of Furbush/L. J. Gqagnier/Simons, I’ll throw up once again. Danny Worth is almost as good a fielder as Iorg and a far better hitter. I’d love to see how Rhymes fields SS.

by StephenGrosberg on Nov 4, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rhymes at SS is interesting

I’m tempted to say he might not have the gun to throw across the field. I’m sure the organization has a reason why he play 2B instead.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Nov 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got traded yesterday

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Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Nov 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. PTBNL or Cash for Dlugach.

Wondering if Iorg and Nunez simply replace Dlugach and Ciriaco on the roster.
I can not see a team claiming Ciriaco and keeping him on the 25 man roster for a full season. The ultimate “mister tools”.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nunez should go far far away

He’s fallen apart. Not worth the rosters spot.

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Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Nov 8, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

At least he showed he could hit one season

which is one more season than Iorg.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Iorg can go far far away too

Or we could just leave both off the 40 man.

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by David Tokarz on Nov 8, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote for that plan!

But you can bet on DD adding Iorg to the roster. I’m wondering if he’ll take Ciraco off the roster ahead of the Rule 5 draft. Oh the horror!

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 8, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?
The General Managers hold an annual meeting where some trade discussions and discussions with agents often begin, and this year’s meetings are scheduled to take place on November 16- 17 in Orlando, Fla. This year’s Winter Meetings will take place in Lake Buena Vista, near Orlando, Fla, from December 6- 9, 2010.

Which date?

Go for it

by DetroitSports on Nov 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Oops

Which date is supposed to be outside the box

Go for it

by DetroitSports on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's two meetings for team execs

November is a minor one, December is the big one that everyone gets their hot stove on over

by Kurt Mensching on Nov 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhh

I geddit. Thanks :)

Go for it

by DetroitSports on Nov 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Many thanks Tigerdog. Very good post!

by KeystoneTiger on Nov 2, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm confused

answer this please. In the article I translated about Maggs he said the Tigers have until December 14th to offer arbitration to him, but after reading post it says only until November 23rd. Not that I expect the Tigers to offer Maggs arbitration, but I am confused about the difference in the dates.

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by Detroitchik on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

As I mentioned up at the top, MLB has moved some dates around

The date to offer arbitration to their own pending free agents was moved from December 1 to Nov 23
The date for players to accept or decline offers of arbitration from their former clubs was moved from Dec 7 back to Nov 30
The date for teams to tender (or non tender) contracts to players under “club control” was moved back from Dec 12 to Dec 2
The date for clubs to file their rosters to protect players from the Rule 5 draft remains Nov 20, as far as I know. There was some speculation that, with all these dates being moved back that they’d move back the Rule 5 draft as well, but that has not been announced.
I don’t know of any Dec 14 deadline for anything.
 
It’s highly doubtful that the Tigers will offer arbitration to Magglio for the reasons I mentioned above. Two of the main criteria in arbitration are salary history and years of experience, and those are two things that just don’t matter to a team looking to sign a free agent.
 
An interesting question is what the impact of declining an option on a player could have if he were to be offered arbitration. No doubt the agent would argue that there’s already a bargained for amount if the club wanted the player back. This situtation could theoretically present itself in two cases for the Tigers with Magglio and Peralta. We’ll probably not get to find out.

Is anyone aware of even a single case where a player’s salary went DOWN in arbitration from the previous season? Maybe there is one, but I can’t think of one.

Thanks for all the nice comments, folks.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe its just in his contract

because the article clearly states

Hay una opción en la que el equipo puede ofrecerme salario de arbitraje hasta el 14 de diciembre

Basically, it say the team can offer me salary arbitration until December 14th.

This article is only about 2 weeks old, so I am just going to assume because he has more than 5 years of service, and because of who his agent is that they have until the 14th.

Thanks for clearing some of this up for me. appreciate you taking the time.

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by Detroitchik on Nov 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

but you'd think he knows what his contract says

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by Detroitchik on Nov 2, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

Magglio’s job is to worry about his family and think about hitting the baseball. His agent’s job is to handle the rest.

by Kurt Mensching on Nov 2, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we saw this with Polanco as well...

some reporter threw a question at him about whether he’d have accepted arbitration if the Tigers had offered, and he shrugged his shoulders and says probably. DD’s supporters take this to justify not offering arbitration (it wouldn’t anyway) but the reality is that the process still allows other clubs to make an offer within 7 days after the arbitration offer, and the very strong likelihood is that they make the same offer. They would have been foolish to offer before the Tigers passed on the deadline. Polly had no clue about that process. He relies on his agent.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 2, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

you got me there

I surrender

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by Detroitchik on Nov 2, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arbitration Criteria

ARTICLE VI (Salaries); Section F (Arbitration); Section 12 (Criteria)

- The quality of the player’s contribution to his club during the past season including
- his overall performance
- special leadership qualities
- public appeal
- length and consistency of his career contribution
- record of the player’s past compensation
- comparative baseball salaries
- existence of any physical or mental defects on the part of the player
- the recent performance of the club including league standing and attendance

- Except for a player with more than five or more years of service:
Particular attention to the contracts of players with major league service not exceeding one annual service group above the player’s annual service group.
(Note: The qualifier at the top means that this criteria does not apply to free agents, but is the most important criteria for players with 3- 5 years experience)

NOT ADMISSIBLE

- The financial position of the player and the club
- Press comments, testimonials except recognized player awards
- Offers made by the player or club prior to arbitration
- the cost to the parties of their representatives, attorneys, etc
- salaries in other sports or occupations
- luxury tax considerations

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

If it has public appeal, then why not?

And if you can sell that to an arbitrator, you should be an agent!

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 4, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post

Cleared up a lot of questions regarding players who are on the chopping block, etc.

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by BrianCMU. on Nov 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh?

“Mark Anderson at Tigstown.com (whose opinion I trust on such matters more than my own) says that “In the end, I think you’ll see Iorg, Nunez, Oliveros, and one of Villarreal or Below protected….but this is an inexact science for sure.” (See the thread “Rule 5 draft” on Tigstown for a discussion. Yep, that’s me that started that thread). I am truly puzzled as to why Zach Simons would not be protected."

How could Villarreal and Simons not be protected. Seriously?

by The Nicker on Nov 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Mark says Iorg, Nunez, and one of Villareal or Below, those are just guesstimates

He also says that, for some reason, there are folks in the organization that don’t like Simons

Zach Simons, 2nd round pick by Colorado in the 2005 draft

2008 with Colo and Det, High A ball, 67 IP, 2.43 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 5.5 H/9, 5.3 BB/ 9, 10.1 K/ 9, 1.92 K/ bb

2009 with Erie and Toledo, 69 IP, 2.73 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 7 H/ 9, 3.2 BB/ 9, 8.2 K/ 9, 2.52 K/ bb

2010 with Erie and Toledo, 70 IP, 2.70 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 6.9 H/ 9, 3.6 BB/ 9, 9.3 K/ 9, 2.57 K/ BB

Three year splits: 68.2 IP, 2.62 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 6.5 H/ 9, 4 BB/ 9, 9.2 K/9, 2.34 K/ BB

To me, this is a kid that deserves a shot, like ASAP!

Villareal wasn’t protected last year, either, and escaped. He’d be on my list.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Protect Brayan and Zach. Like, now.

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Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Nov 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

TD1

That was a great post you put together here. I continue to be impressed with the knowledge of the fan base on BYB. I would definitely buy you a beer if you are ever in the Tulsa OK area.

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by Christopher Horvath on Nov 2, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Tigerdog...Thank you!

What a great and informative article…written in concise terms that most of us non-lawyers can understand. This is one of the most educational pieces I’ve read on BYB.

I love winter meetings. Now that it’s November, they seem so close.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Nov 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

a little late reading it but thanks

(as usual) you cleared quite a few things up for me

by JAYRC on Nov 4, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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