Update: Tigers, Joaquin Benoit reach 3-year deal
Update: ESPN Deportes' Enrique Rojas confirms a three-year, $16.5 million deal. (Twitter)
FoxSports' Jon Paul Morosi reports the Tigers are close to signing right-handed setup man Joaquin Benoit to a multi-year deal that could be as long as three seasons.
Morosi:
Benoit had one of the best seasons of any setup man this year, compiling a 1.34 ERA and 25 holds in 63 appearances. Benoit showed improved stuff, coming off surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff.
The deal is reportedly in its final stages.
Benoit is coming off his best season in the MLB, and his results were driven by some pretty unrepeatable luck, but even before his surgery he was a capable strikeout artist. Walked a few too many, though. FirstInning.com shows after the surgery his strikeout rate surged to 42.5 percent in Triple A and 34.5 percent in the MLB in 2010. He also stopped walking as many, and the walk percentage fell into the single digits. These kinds of stats I think are more repeatable. As well, he is more of a flyball pitcher than a groundball pitcher, which works well given Detroit's infield.
Benoit primarily uses three pitches: a mid-90s fastball, a changeup and a fastball. He relies on his four-seam fastball mainly, throwing it about two-thirds of the time. But he drops in the changeup and slider to a lot of success when he chooses to deploy them.
At Fangraphs, Bill James Projections put him at 2.91 ERA, with fewer srikeouts and more walks than last season but better than career-average numbers. I expect Benoit to continue to be the kind of pitcher who helps shorten games by an inning most days he takes the mound and a nice bit of insurance next to Tigers closer Jose Valverde.
No financial figures have been set out yet. He may not be coming in as a closer for the Tigers, but he is a setup man of some rather good acclaim and I'm sure would have been on the radar for several teams. So I doubt he comes too cheap. Less than Valverde. But probably not too far from closer money. Call it 3 years, $14-15 million maybe? Plus he's a Type-B free agent. The Tigers don't have to give up a draft pick for him. To be fair though, they'll probably just give it up to another team anyway. (Update: $16.5 million. So was a tad too conservative on the $5 million per year estimate)
Fun fact; Benoit holds the record for the longest save in the MLB: A seven-inning, one-hit appearance according to MLB.com's Rangers site. How is that possible? Don't ask me.
How do I feel about this addition though? I am very much in favor of it!
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solid move as long as he isn't absurdly priced
we need the bullpen help and the guy is quite good.
I Like Pie
I'm just glad he's not a Type A
And hope that he doesn’t have any more rotator cuff issues.
by ozymandius1024 on Nov 17, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
This is a historic signing!
The first free agent that DD has signed to more than a two year contract since Magglio Ordonez before the 2005 season!
Our boy might have learnt his lessons and has changed his ways!
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
Pending the final outcome on his price
I really like this signing. I’m glad the Tigers aren’t sitting back and relying on Zumaya as a set-up guy. The fact that they won’t be giving up a pick makes me feel even better about it.
Ohhhh!
I like this idea, very much.
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interesting.
yeah, sure i like this move. for the right price.
and, is there a different vote! button. it seemed different…
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Nov 17, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions
Benoit
Must have been the guy they really wanted. I assumed DD would wait to bring in a reliever. There are so many quality arms available this year and so few teams looking for closers I thought they would wait for the market to thin out a bit before making a move. Not waiting as late as Valverde last year, but letting the market develop before we jumped it. I am not crazy that the first late inning guy coming off the board is not a closer, but what are you gonna do
I like Benoit and I think he will be successful, good talent move, we will have to wait a month or so to see how financially sound it was.
Hm.
Probably a good move to have some insurance if Valverde looks like he did the second half instead of the first, but it still seems a bit pricey. But then, even though there are a lot of relievers available this year Benoit was one of the best so he woudn’t have lasted long if DD had waited. Hope this is just the first big signing, won’t matter if we shut down opposing hitters if the offense doesn’t get better. Losing low scoring games is the worst.
I like!
When I saw he was a FA, I was hoping we’d at least be associated with him. I know he will not have the same numbers as last year, but he’s still very solid. I like the pick up and can’t wait to see him go out on the field.
by Let's do this! on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions
$16.5mil for 3 years...
I believe… Seems pretty fair to me. Obviously depends on if he can stay healthy. I worry a little about the length of the deal. However DD make it known that relief pitching was most important. Nice move imo.
So many relievers, possible trade coming
Ryan or Zoom might be thrown in during the next big trade. They could also sign another reliever quite easily.
Agreed
Not sure if it will be Ryan or Zumaya, but our next blockbuster trade is going to involve one of the many relievers on our roster(s)
by Let's do this! on Nov 17, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Tigers need RP
I don’t think Zumaya has ANY value, and the Tigers need Perry for now and the future.
Perry has done nothing to impress me the last two seasons
If other teams value him, I’d dump him in a heartbeat. Releivers are too inconsistent for me to use as part of any “future plan”
by Ohio Tiger on Nov 17, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ummm...
he was pretty good last season
by Benzy Ferrari on Nov 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nice signing
This is a guy that we needed.
DD has some money to spend, which is something he didn’t have at the beginning of last winter. It will be interesting to see how he spends the rest of it.
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I like it
Not exactly the splash we’ve all been hoping for, but I like it. I’ve always put him in the category of the “over-the-hill, starter-turned-reliever” type, but if he doesn’t fall off from where he was last year, it’ll prove to be a good move. I’d rather allocate the cash to sign a DH or a starting pitcher first, then worry about the ’pen, however.
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thats what i thought, too
seems a tad bit pricey
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Yea it is,
but I like it just for the fact that this shows he isn’t counting on zumaya and is not pushing perry to be the 8th inning guy. Perry in the 7th, Benoit in the 8th, and Papa Grande in the 9th is pretty solid.
A couple of things
First impression: I don’t like the move. It seems like an awful lot of money for a setup man when we have probably 4 relievers capable of that role in 2011 (Zumaya, Perry, Schlereth, and Weinhardt). I’d understand it a lot more if he were left handed, because I’m not sure I want to trust a left handed tri-feces of Schlereth, Thomas, and Ni. This does however lead me to believe that perry or zoom might be packaged and turned around for something else, because it is starting to get awful crowded at the back end of that bullpen. For my money I’d like to see perry moved, because I think he has a great perceived upside that I personally haven’t seen anything to show me that he’s going to live up to. As mentioned before, Zoom may not have a ton of trade value with his injury history, but his potential is valuable for us to hang onto in case he can manage to stay healthy for a whole season. We’ll see, but I generally think of most bullpen positions as easily replaceable, lightning in a bottle gambles. I didn’t like the valverde deal either and he proved me wrong last year, so hopefully Benoit does the same. 5-6 mil a year is a lot to commit to a guy who isn’t even your closer. Your turn to prove ne wrong Joakim…
by Ohio Tiger on Nov 17, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow..
That is supposed to say “tri-fecta”, NOT “tri-feces” damn iPhone…
by Ohio Tiger on Nov 17, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of the 4 capable relievers you listed,
Zumaya is completely unreliable, Weinhardt and Schlereth are rookies, and Perry has been up-and-down. I don’t think Benoit’s 70 innings of terrific relief becomes less valuable because the other bullpen arms might be good. Best case scenario, the Tigers just have the best bullpen in the bigs. Nothing wrong with that.
good point...
I agree, but I guess I get frustrated with the fickle nature of bullpen arms and hate giving them this kind of money and locking them down for this long. Worst case scenario, Zoom dies, Weinhardt and Schlereth can’t handle the job, Perry continues to be mediocre at best, and Benoit shows us that last year was a fluke. Now we have approximately a shit-ton of money wrapped up in 5 bullpen arms that don’t work.
It's not a crazy amount of money though
Valverde and Benoit combined will probably make as much as K-Rod or Francisco Cordero. It’s nothing to lose sleep over.
by ozymandius1024 on Nov 17, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh, yes it is.
It’s way too much money. I would argue Valverde and Cordero are overpayed as well. Benoit was a 1.5 WAR player last year. Best case secenario he does that for the next 3 years, which is unlikely. It’s too much money.
They are absolutely overpaid
But Benoit was a 2.4 WAR player last season, and aside from pitching with an injury in 2008, has been pretty darn good since 2005. He had a season like last year in 2007, so it’s not unprecedented.
Benoit was one of the better relievers on the market this year, so I’m not too concerned about overpaying him a little bit. 5-6 Million for a year or two isn’t an albatross like Carlos Guillen’s deal, I think the Tigers would be able to weather it.
by ozymandius1024 on Nov 17, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
We’re overpaying a top reliever slightly. I think we’ll be okay.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 17, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
It's only slightly
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by David Tokarz on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
You can over pay in multiple ways.
We’ve over paid in years for a guy one year removed from a devastating injury and is there any reliever out there aside from Mo Rivera worth $5.5 mil? Short answer in my opinion is “No.”
Just because money is freed up doesn’t mean we have to spend it all. We should still be making the numbers work and fit and in my opinion, the years specifically, this doesn’t fit.
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I get that there's a lot of risk
But at the same time, we improve the team and we don’t sacrifice a draft pick to do so.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
we're prolly gonna lose it eventually...
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Nov 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
At most you're talking about an overpayment of like 5 mil over 3 years.
I don’t know if the marginal value of that money is all that high. I don’t think that overpayment is going to be the difference between signing an impact player, for instance.
Closers are overated
They get paid the most money…but the guys who pitch the 7th and 8th innings are often times just as or more important. (Ron Washington obviously disagrees) It seems like too much money for a guy who could blow out his shoulder at any moment, but it’s obvious that RP was high on the list of needs for the Tigers, and they got themselves and 8th inning man for 2-3 years.
by vandamage on Nov 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well just think of this way
You get three players(Inge, jhonny, and joaquin) for a little over what you were paying Maggs.
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by Detroitchik on Nov 17, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
What would you pay
I’d kick the tires but I’m not going over 2yrs 16million. Throw in club option at 8.5 with buyout of 750k I’ll think about it.
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Not DD.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 18, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
On second thought...
I’m not so sure about this Benoit deal. He was only a 1.5 WAR player last year, and he had a “great” year. It’s just too much money for a RP. And 3 years, are you kidding me?! I never understand why teams lock up relievers for more than 1-2 years, especially a guy with that risk. Once again DD overpays drastically for bullpen help.
by vandamage on Nov 17, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like it.
I don’t think it’s too much money-wise, but maybe one extra year that I’m a little iffy on.
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by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 17, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions
Great move
This is a great move all the talk about hitters and we get what we really need which is pitching and for what we would give V Mart or Crawford for one year.Now we have a closer and an eighth inning man.The game just got shorter.We can’t count on Zumiya put if he dose come back health great.And this buys us time for Perry and Schealrath with out putting to much pressure on them.Now if we can trade for a # 1 Starter and put Coke pack in the bullpin even better.Teams never have enough pitching lets go after more.If by chance Zumiya is healthy we have six quaility relivers in the pen.Coke,Zumiya,Schealrath,Perry,Benoit,Valverde.
I've been saying they need to get Benoit...
For bullpen help. Perfect set up arm to slot in front of Valverde. I’m really liking this move. Now go get those bats!
Good move for 2011
Beyond that, it is too early to tell whether $6 million/year is appropriate for a reliever in his mid 30s with a history of arm trouble.
The money may be alot for a setup man, but it is what it is. I don’t think this signing will prevent DD or Mr. Ilitch from opening up the vault for the impact bat that the 2011 Tigers still need.
I like that they’re not giving up a draft pick. I hope that that trend can continue (unless its necessary for one of those impact bats that they need).
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DD must have really preferred him,
because in a week, we’d know which type-A relievers are offered arbitration. Perhaps that information is already known, but it’s just not public yet.
Pitching wise, one has to like it. Contractually, though, I’m a little hesitant. Learning he and Crawford are inseparable BFFs would diminish said hesitance.
I think your right he really did preffer him, but he is also going to sign 1-2 more for the bullpen so we may have to wait for that.
by Benzy Ferrari on Nov 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
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I’m guessing part of the reason for the big pay day is that DD is thinking Benoit will be a likely candidate for closer after Valverde’s contract expires next year.
I agree
With Valverde in the last year of his contract this gives the Tiger someone who could close in 2012.Also it takes the pressure off Perry and Schlereth and we don’t have to count on Zumaya if he’s healthy great.
I'm all for taking pressure off of Schlereth
but come on, Perry? This guy was our 1st round pick and has had 2 full seasons in the bigs. Perry should be asking for pressure put on his shoulders this year. If not, then he’s not bullpen material, and definitely not closer material.
Perry will be just fine
I like having Perry still in the bullpin he’s a lot better than Bonine or Thomas.Look at his Stats he’s got a great arm some pitchers take a while to be a stud and he isn’t costing us much.I think his day will come hopefully next year.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. No reason not to have him back there as long as he’s cheap, but he better show me something before we even think about extending him. And at this point, if we can get a good return for him on the trade market, I’m all ears…
We need relief
I would not want to trade him right now and then have him turn in to a stud closer by signing Benoit we can take are time with Perry and at real low cost.If he dosen’t pan out then we can trade him or let him walk.
Correct me if I'm wrong
but I believe Valverde has a team option for 2012?
by handsomerob1 on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
That would be great
If we do have an option that would be great.If he pitches great next year we could always pick up his option.And if for some reason someone else steps up as a closer we could let him go.When it comes to pitching it nice to have some option with out having huge long term contracts.
$ 9 million
but if he’s a type A, I’d rather take the picks
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If we offer him arb
And I would. Worst case, we get our closer back.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 18, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hiow do you pronounce "Benoit"?
Ben-wah?
Hopefully a reliever named “Joaquin” will not give up too many bases on balls. . .
Nice signing
Good arm, great year last year…I know we might be in for a bit of regression, but getting those quality, reliable innings at the end of the game is huge. Like others have said, our bullpen is shaping up to be pretty good now…that’s what signing late inning arms does – it pushes everyone back an inning and makes the team that much stronger.
I still think you’ll see a lefty signed for the ‘pen if the team is really serious about Coke starting (they can’t possibly go into 2011 with just Schlereth, right?). Throw someone like Fuentes in there for another 5 or 6M and our bullpen looks downright impressive…especially if Coke doesn’t start and/or Zumaya gives us something.
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No thank you.
I don’t like the 3 years for him. 1 or 2, I’m okay with but sinking $16 mil and 3 years into someone with multiple shoulder problems is not something I’m keen to do.
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And I'm sure a ton of teams would've jumped at the chance to throw $16 mil at a guy with numerous shoulder issues.
You wait the market out and if you lose out on Benoit, so be it. You shouldn’t be the guy to pay immediately after the career year when it’s highly unlikely he’s going to repeat that year again next year (a.k.a. not be worth the investment).
And even if you think he’s worth the $5.5 mil next year or whatever it is, relievers grow on trees and 3 years is far too long to commit to one, save for the Joe Nathan’s or Mo Rivera’s of the world.
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I don't like it all
Way too much money given to someone who’s had such a fickle career. Why would we expect this guy to stay healthy now when he couldn’t on the front of his career?
The best case scenario is the contract turns out to be ok. When that’s the best case scenario, stay away.
I like this deal
The dear baby Jesus knows someone will get injured in our bullpen next year and it never hurts to have too many arms. As for the money? There’s no salary cap and it’s not coming out of my wallet. Pay him whatever.
there is a team budget
please write that on a chalkboard 50 times, thanks!
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're spending too much time in the classroom
Also, even with the budget, we have tons of cash.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Too much of that $$$
was just spent on an 8th inning reliever. It’s a brutal contract. He has thrown barely over 100 total innings over the last 3 years combined. A 3 year contract for a middle reliever on team with other more pressing needs is downright stupid.
Good pick up
First who, really, do we not have to overpay to come play in Detroit? I’m not sure why this comes as any shock to anyone. We’ve overpaid players for what seems like forever and will continue to do so until we can’t afford them.
The lack of his innings were not at all his fault. He was used more like we will as a late innings guy. He logged the second most games in a season in his career this past year at 63, averaging just under an inning a game. He has been a bullpen guy since 2006 and has only seen his FIP raised above 4.00 once and his xFIP above 4.00 twice since then. His WAR over the course of those years has been a 4.7 and his K/9 has hovered at around 10.
With that said, I like this signing. One of the tasks on the agenda for the offseason was to get a veteran bullpen arm and I think Benoit will do a pretty good job.
by Let's do this! on Nov 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
We should coordinate a BYB-wide "$5 Hot-N-Ready Night" and see if we can't make that team budget grow a little.
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by trross1200 on Nov 17, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm tempted to post a comment with that written 50 times
or just 50 comments.
Yes, there is a team budget, but I don’t think that this deal is going to hinder the FO’s other goals for this offseason.
by handsomerob1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
You should make a FanPost of it in there about 50 times. Or maybe 50 FanPosts!
by Let's do this! on Nov 18, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
And wouldn't someone with three shoulder injuries, that happens to throw a ball for a living, be one of the pitchers that could be first on the DL?
His injury was the most serious one for a pitcher. The years are too much and the money is too much. Since everyone knows that teams go through relievers like water, why spend the same amount on them that Curtis Granderson would make this year?
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Granderson is due $8.25 million in 2011
He made $5.5 million last year.
by handsomerob1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
handsomerob1 you are correct
It’s Ilitch’s money, not ours. So why are some people whining? He can spend it as he sees fit.
It’s like whining about the going price of pepperoni or pizza flour- just not really our business, is it?
Ilitch knows what he’s doing – the Tigers need pitchers.
Wow
Are you serious? The team has a budget. I’ll never understand why people continue to say “well it’s not my money!” Do you realize, the more money they spend on middle relievers, means the less money they have to spend on corner outfielders???? Think about it.
But the budget is determined by Mike Illitch
not a collective bargaining agreement, like in other sports. Illitch can spend as much or as little as he wants on the team. There’s no set amount they can or cannot spend. If DD wants to spend a couple million over the budget he’s been given, all he has to do is ask Illitch to green light that spending.
by handsomerob1 on Nov 18, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but there is a budget
Every offseason, the first thing the front office and team owner do is set the budget for the coming year.
They are not going to suddenly become a team that spends 150 or 200 million.
Put it like this, if there wasn’t a budget they wouldn’t have been trying to save money the past offseason. If there wasn’t a budget, they’d be offering 30 million for 7 years to Cliff Lee just to make sure they get him.
Therefore, they must spend wisely.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 18, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
yep Ilitch sets the budget
and he can change it however he’d like.
That’s why its irrelevant to ask fans if the Tigers should pay someone $15M or $16M or whatever. The fans don’t pay the players. But if you want to play pretend GM or owner, go ahead.
And don’t assume MI doesn’t take money from his left pocket (Red Wings) and put some in his right pocket (Tigers, or Fox, etc.) when he wants to. He already has.
So fans can debate whether getting Player X was the right choice for filling our perceived needs, but how much their salary “should be” is not really an issue of ours.
then offer Cliff Lee the bank
he is the guy who could do the most to help the team’s playoff chances. Let him write a check. Won’t happen because teams have budgets whether or not you want to accept it.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 18, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
lol i know they have a budget
and the fans don’t get to spend it. So arguing $15.7 vs 16.2 million or $20 million is pointless.
It is equally as silly as debating how much Little Caesars spends on pizza ovens.
Your statement of Cliff Lee being “the” answer is debatable and proper blog subject.
Whether Rod Allen should be a broadcaster is debatable. Arguing how much they pay Rod Allen is irrelevant.
wow, Uh...
maybe you didn’t know that annually they (MLB) sets a budget as to what a team is allowed to spend and if that amount is exceeded then, that particular team has to pay a luxury tax to MLB. It can get quite pricy. So I would say toy you, Mr. Illich DOES NOT set the budget, that comes from th commisioner’s office, each season.
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oh cmon - lets not get into revenue sharing and all
MI decides what he will spend and we all know it. This is not the salary cap NHL.
I did not say he sets the luxury tax limit. He decides what he spends. Not fans.
I really do not wish to argue over the definition of the word budget.
I am glad we got some relief help with Benoit. I look forward to the Ben-Wa jokes. What his salary is can be debated by any of you who want to spend the offseason pretending you are a MLB GM.
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Actually
MLB decides what he spends, and he decides whether he wants to pay the MLB luxury tax or not by going over the budget MLB has set for him. I am not arguing over the word budget, just stating a simple fact which is quite relevant based on the comment you made. That’s all. That’s good that it’s hockey season for you, however, baseball season doesn’t stop for me just because there are no games being played. This is a baseball blog, so that’s what we talk about.
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Love this move.
Solid arm out of the pen is what we need. So who is next Crawford or Dunn?
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions
Compare Benoit to Lyon
Lyon came to Detroit, had a great year. Lyon landed 3 years/15 mil with a chance to close with Houston. Benoit has a great year, now signs for 3 years/16.5 mil. The $$ is comparable, and since I’d rather have Benoit, I can’t consider it too much of an overpayment…
That's the problem
Lyon’s contract was pretty terrible as well. I guess certain GMs are just willing to the cash at middle relievers with careless abandon…
I think Lyon was supposed to be houston’s closer, fyi
by jonathan.onne on Nov 17, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
His performance, statistics, and metrics do not equal the contract he received.
Quality Arm
Yes we may have paid a little too much.But i am glad we got him just look at his Stats for last year he was dominating.Only 30 hits in 60 innings over 70 strikeouts.Yes we could of sign Eddie Bonine for much less.But i want the Tigers to win next year and i trust DD on this one.He could make are bullpen one of the best in baseball.
More fun Joaquin Benoit facts
If I’m not mistaken, he was credited with a save in the game where the Rangers beat the Orioles 30-3.
It was actually Wes Littleton
So Benoit had his save in another ridiculous game.
by ozymandius1024 on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
i remember tim kurkjian going crazy about Wes Littleton getting the save!
so classic!
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Nov 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
WOW!
I don’t like signing relief help for more than two years. All things considered though this is a good signing. The amount of cash and years is a bit high but we need help bad. His pressence will allow youngsters Perry, Schlereth and Weinhardt to not pitch as much in stressful innings. It will give them a chance to “get their feet wet”. Having Benoit and Valverde will definately shorten the game.
And oh boy IF Zumaya gives us anything we should have a strong pen.
We need another lefty for the pen next!
I don't understand this notion that everyone has that Perry needs to be coddled
This kid is supposed to be a stud by now right? Relievers have such a short shelf life… he’s not a rookie anymore and he did pitch in college. Zumaya stepped up right away when he came to the bigs and was heavily relied on. It’s time this kid steps up and does something.
I agree with you. I think I was just saying things in different terms. Perry moves back to the seventh inning now which is big for him. Not that he doesnt have eighth inning stuff right now but I think he will befit a bit from being “coddled”. His command is still shaky at times. I just think he needs another season under his belt. Perry was definately rushed to the bigs!
Schlereth and Weinhardt will benefit the most as both of them still need seasoning. Nothing wrong with them starting next season in Detroit but they are not ready for the eighth or ninth yet.
The bullpen should be pretty damn good if everything goes as planned!
As for Zumaya, he certainly did step up right away but he also had many innings under his belt (several seasons) as a starter. Perry….not so much.
Setting up the future with the big 12.
Potentially the Tigers develop a great bullpen at little cost. The starters only need to go 5-6. In fact, if They told them that to begin, alot of the pressure would be off and the performance that much better. I like the low cost with no draft picks according to Kurt. I would rather have had 2 years though. I’m still looking for Weinhardt/Schlereth to be big time. Congrats DD, a low cost potential based on his stats. Now Wilk/Furbush/Figaro/Villarreal/Oliver/L.J. Gagnier/Weber/Turner/Nelson can develop as starters. No need to panic about a #4 or #5. Keep that #1 pick. Zach Simons will get his chance wmen a DL develops.
by StephenGrosberg on Nov 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
We have a lefty out of the pen
And his name is Phil Coke. Now can we please go get a starter instead of actually moving Phil Coke to the rotation?!?
I agree stop the insanity Coke back to the bullpen
Yes lets go trade for a quality starter and put Coke back in the bullpen where he belongs.He has much more value to us as a reliever and with the addition of Benoit he could be our 7th inning guy Benoit in the 8th than Valverde.That would also still leave us Perry,Schealreth and Zoom Zoom if health.Then add one more lefty and we should have a great bullpen.
The only thing I like about the "Coke is a starter" fantasy
If the team is serious about this and thinks it will happen, we need to sign a quality lefty for the ‘pen and I think they will. If they REALLY plan on Coke shifting and REALLY want to content, I don’t think they’ll put all of their eggs in Schlereth’s basket. Hence, we get another quality lefty (and it might be another 5M/yr), but our bullpen should be outstanding with Valverde, Benoit, new quality lefty, Perry, Zumaya, and a mop-up guy.
If things fall through with Coke, add him to that bullpen and it’s one of the best in the bigs.
If the team is not serious about moving Coke, they won’t sign the lefty. I think if we read it this way, we’ll know before Spring Training whether Coke will start or not.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
It can't hurt to try to stretch him out
Best case, we get CJ Wilson 2.0. Worst case, he goes back to the ’pen.
Deputy Editor, Bless You Boys
Free Scott Sizemore!
by David Tokarz on Nov 18, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Schlereth would be nice if he worked out
But, we can’t go into 2011 with him as our only plan for a lefty in the ’pen.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
This year we won't have to scramble to figure out our pen
I like it that we are giving 2-3 year deals to a few RP’s. Nothing is worse than having to restock the back end of your pen year after year, like we have been doing. Having guys like Valverde and Benoit makes the job easier for our manager. It seems like every other game Leyland was at fault for misusing the pen in certain situations.
The money, well that’s just the Detroit tax that we pay for every player that many of you forget about.
Bravo DD. Bravo.
I want Uggla and VMart
What the hell is a Detroit tax?
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Free Scott Sizemore!
by David Tokarz on Nov 18, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
My guess
is the perceived “extra money” we “need” to give players to entice them to coming to Detroit.
by handsomerob1 on Nov 18, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Is the Detroit tax
the overpayment of players to come and get them to play in our economically ravaged state? DD would benefit from reminding people that, our fans are loyal… I mean, the Rays were going to take the division from the Yankees, and they had to give away tickets, while the Tigs were out of the race, and were pulling in 25-30k fans a game in the last week! That, free pizza, and maybe a couple of Pure Michigan videos would help…

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