Tigers should offer no one arbitration -- not even Magglio Ordonez
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 23, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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Today marks the final day for teams to decide whether to offer free agent players arbitration. Offering arbitration does not guarantee a player will be back the following year, but it guarantees a team will receive extra draft picks for any Type A or Type B free agents who decline the offer.
The Tigers have a few players they could offer arbitration for, but none they should:
- Gerald Laird (B) -- Do I even need to write about this one? He was paid nearly $4 million in 2010 to hit a .207 average with .263 on-base percentage and .304 slugging. Obviously a catcher's primary job is to squat behind the plate and try not to get hit too hard in the irreplaceables. Players have to be offered at least 80 percent of their last salary. So that means if he accepted arbitration he'd be paid at least $3.2 million to create outs, both the good and the bad kinds. He's not going to be offered and he shouldn't be anyway.
- Johnny Damon (B) -- Again, this one is a no doubter. Damon is not going to be offered arbitration. The Tigers could really use his on-base percentage near the top of the lineup, but not at a minimum of $6.4 million and probably more.
- Magglio Ordonez (A) -- I guess for some people this one is the tough one. There's plenty of reasons you'd want to see Ordonez in Detroit next year. He's popular. He was their second-best batter this year and had a really nice season: .303 average, .378 OBP, .474 SLG. I mean, if you don't want that back on the Tigers you're crazy. The main problem is that he'll be coming off the broken ankle injury. Offering him arbitration pretty much guarantees he accepts, because he'll be guaranteed $15 million or so -- $14.4 million to be exact. That's more than he could expect to make in a season anywhere else, and agent Scott Boras would use it to his advantage in trying to negotiate a multi-year deal. But it also guarantees a pretty good batter stays with the team on a one-year contract, allowing the Tigers to postpone making any long term decisions about who should be standing in the outfield. So I definitely see that argument. I just don't think it's the right decision.
As for the other free agents, well they're not going to be offered arbitration anyway, either.
So prediction time: Detroit offers no one arbitration.
What do you think happens?
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Decline arbitration
Then re-sign him to a one or two year deal.
by JAYRC on Nov 23, 2010 7:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe Maggs
Kurt how do we know he will get 15 mill dosen’t his injury reduce his value.If he would only get 10 mill i would want him back.
that's what the rules state
he can be offered no less than 80% of 18M, so 14.4 million.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 23, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well your right
Then there is no way we can pay Maggs that kind of money then.But i would still like to sign him 2yr maxs as we need a right fielder and a #3 hitter.
Make an offer
So offer arbitration, you’re either stuck with Mags for a year at $14.4M or you negotiate a 2 year deal maybe for $10M a year. I don’t think it would be so bad to have Mags back under those terms. Another reason for my thinking is that I’m afraid the Tigers are going to be shutout on CC, Werth, Dunn and VM. After those 4 Mags is the next best option.
If we get Werth no Maggs
If the Tigers sign Werth i don’t see them bringing back Maggs they both play the same postion.
I disagree
if we get werth, maggs could DH.
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Are the Tigs becoming a softball team again?
With the signing of Martinez, I’m concerned about softball team syndrome (see 2008) – the team ends up with a bunch of potential DH candidates that can’t play the field. Is this injury going to improve Maggs’ range in RF? Does anyone else besides me flinch when a fly ball is hit towards Ryan Rayburn? Now imagine a curve in the dirt with a runner on 3rd and Martinez catching… this is where games are lost.
I wish Magglio could come back, but it is hard to see where he fits… and it is probably going to take a 2-year deal…
by texastigerfan on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Maggs wasn't bad in RF
before the injury, he was average. Also, I am not sure if you’re aware but he’s been taking full practice, which means throwing, running, catching and doing all the things he needs to do to show the injury hasn’t permanently maimed him. If we sign Maggs over a couple of season, I think he’ll be fine there.
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed: Maggs is a decent fielder and his recovery is coming along well...
…. but age is not making him any better and it seems unlikely that the injury “improved” his fielding ability…
I would love to see him play for the Tigs again; he is one of my favorite players. I’m having trouble visualizing it though…
by texastigerfan on Nov 23, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
his #'s haven't been affected, over all
he is still very solid at the plate, and should be for a couple of more years. He takes good care of himself, so there’s no reason to think he can’t do what he’s always done. He’s never been a huge power hitter, but he’s got a great eye and his strikeout rate vs. his walk %, well that’s something to think about. He’s not done yet. If Detroit doesn’t pick up Maggs, someone else will, and the Tigers will regret it.
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Even I voted no
too much money.
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I voted yes
One year at $15-odd million isn’t going to kill us. It’s the multi-year deals that turn into dead weight that cripple the payroll. If he leaves, we get draft picks. I don’t see a downside to this situation.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
maybe they're looking to sign him for more than one season
like 2/19 or somethng?
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Just because we don't offer arbitration
doesn’t mean he definitely won’t be back. I guess it’s a chance the club has to take. I hear there’s tons of interest from the Blue Jays. We just have to hope the Tigers are willing to match other offers that will be made to Maggs. If they do, I think we can count on him coming back, because I think he loves it here as much as we love him.
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I'm with you
I’d like to see Maggs back, but not a $15M. I also would not be worried about him going to Toronto if we got Werth, best he’d get is a DH position in Toronto also.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
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