Report: Tigers, Victor Martinez near 4 year, $50 m deal
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 AM EST
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PrintUpdate: Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports confirms the report, as well as Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com
This coming out of an ESPN Deportes writer named Ignacio Serrano:
The Tigers are close to signing catcher/designated hitter Victor Martinez to a four-year deal worth about $50 million. The report states Martinez has signed with Detroit and an announcement could be coming soon, pending physical.
I'm not sure the track record on the author here, but ESPNDeportes' Latin American writers have been pretty successful with their track record as it relates to the Tigers, so I feel pretty confident in his report. Still always good to keep a bit of healthy skepticism.
Earlier this month, I valued Martinez at about a four-year, $48 million value. I also preferred Martinez to Dunn. So this is within the acceptable wriggle room if you ask me.
The Tigers will still need to find a right fielder, and with all these Venezuelans it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to work Magglio Ordonez back into right field for a couple of seasons.
They'll still need to find some pitching, however.
(Original link via SabreRoseTiger's tweet)
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Well then!
I’ll take it. $12.5M a year isn’t terrible for someone that will be one of the center parts of our lineup.
$12.5 million isn't terrible for a couple years
I don’t like the idea of a 4-year deal for him though.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind it
We at least will have our DH set for at least 4 years, which I’ll take Martinez over Damon any day at that spot.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Having your DH double as your backup catcher is an injury risk
Especially at Martinez’s relative age (considering the number of games he’s caught in his career). I can live with a healthy Martinez for 4 years. I won’t be happy with another Carlos Guillen for 4 years. I’d like to see us use Avila behind the plate as much as possible this season, provided he performs well.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t see Martinez catching too much this year though. Avila started 23 (caught in 28) of the teams final 32 games and I see him starting more than that. I think we will see him start 25-26 out of 32. Assuming the trend of last year continues, we’re looking at 45 games, 50 tops, Martinez will be catching.
I think Avila will perform better than he did last year. In those 28 games, Avila had a .337 OBP, .375 SLG and a .712 OPS. That’s not great, but who’s going to complain about that with your catcher that’s batting somewhere in the 7-9 range in your lineup. I believe that we will see stats in between last year and the year before.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think that will be reversed.
I think V-mart would be catching 100-120 games the first year, then 50-50 split with Avila the 2nd year, then V-mart would be 40-60 games at catcher the final years. The Tigers need to develop Avila a little more next season before giving him the starting job in my opinion
No way
No way will they have Martinez starting that many games at C. Avila’s defense is SO much better they will not sit him that much. I would give him a 1/3 of the year behind the plate his first year.
They like Avila too much to do that. His biggest issue is swinging the bat, but even that started to pick up the more games he played.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
If that is the case...
Then Dombrowski severly overpaid for a DH. That contract is terrible if Vmart is the fulltime DH.
by vandamage on Nov 23, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's just as bad if he's the catcher
We’re not paying him for his defense.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn't make the same $$
If he was strictly a DH, he would not make the same amount of money. He’s a more valuable player at catcher (albeit terrible)
I disagree
How is he more valuable as a catcher? He’s coming to Detroit to be a good hitter. I’d rather have Avila’s defense behind the plate than random player X DH’ing (with arguably similar offensive stats to Avila) while Martinez turns 1st base into a turnstile for runners heading to 2nd.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Because his bat is more valuable at C
He would not get 12 mil per year if he could not catch. It’s simple. He’s not a good catcher, but his bat plays better at catcher than it does at 1st or DH.
Not exactly
It’s all relative. Unless we sign someone else, who’s bat in our system is THAT much better than Avila’s that it outweighs the defensive dropoff behind the plate?
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He would though
It’s just like the Dunn deal. He’s REALLY terrible in the field, but he’s still going to get a very nice chunk of change from an AL team to play DH. Same, as I said, will go with Vlad.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
If he’s the full-time catcher, then our pitchers are really screwed. He’s going to be the primary (not full time) DH. I really don’t think he overpaid Martinez for that position. Vlad is going to look for that much, and maybe more, for the same offensive results and worst defense.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Vlad isn't close
Vmart had a much better season than Vlad did last year.
That's my point
Vlad will get $10MM-$15MM this year to be nothing but DH. At least Martinez is somewhat capable of playing the field and will make the same amount.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Key words - this year.
Four years – sobbing hysterically.
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by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Avila is good, but wouldnt start on any other team in baseball
Would the Tigers REALLY be considering starting him if his old man wasn’t in the head office?
You have an odd idea of what a big-league catcher does
Most of them don’t contribute much with their bat. The fact that Avila is a lefty with power means we can cut him a little slack if he’s not hitting .250 just yet.
He plays pretty good defense, controls the running game, and shows ability with the bat to become better, perhaps substantially better.
I have no problem with Avila at catcher, and while his old man may have helped get him drafted, I think he’s worthy of the job.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
by momotigers on Nov 23, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We'll wait and see
I agree that he has a good arm behind the plate, but his power numbers were not up to what he showed the previous year. It might have just been an off year for power numbers, but we’ll see what he does next season. I don’t expect him to bat .320 but .260 or .270 range should not be asking too much.
About him starting, I still believe he would only be a backup on any other team in the majors, but hey…thats only my optinion.
I don’t think (and I hope) that no one expects him to his .320. He will bat somewhere in the 7-9 range which would make .270 look really good. I’d be just fine if he hit .250.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
i expect improvement
less than .750 OPS would dissapoint me.
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by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I would too
But I’m not going to get my hopes completely up, they always seem to get crushed doing that.
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agree completely
Watch Avila’s average go up as he plays more. Watch his patience when batting. If Martinez came without giving up draft picks, I might consider him, but……. The Tigers have a backup catcher in Bryan Holaday.
by StephenGrosberg on Nov 23, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Good take on this.
Catchers like Piazza and Pudge and Mauer have really thrown off our offensive expectations about catchers in the past couple of decades, just like Trammell and Ripken and A-Rod have done with our expectations of shortstops at the plate. Sure, it’d be nice to have a catcher with an OPS like a corner outfielder’s, but those are pretty damn rare.
I’m fine with Avila and Martinez each starting about 80 games… but, here’s some food for thought: in Minnesota, with Mauer DHing fairly frequently, they’ve run into the following situation a few times. If Mauer’s brought in to catch late in the game in a game he started at DH, you lose the DH spot and have to either have the pitcher bat or pinch-hit for the pitcher. This might mean you have to use your bench a little more wisely; I’m sure Jimmy’s up for the challenge, but still, it might be something we’ll have to face in the future.
by frisbeepilot on Nov 23, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think too much of a big deal is made out of that situation
where the pitcher might need to bat. So what. It might happen once or twice a year when we play a 14+ inning game.
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+1
I’d add in that Avila at least provides a league average OBP to go with his good defense.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 24, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
Better than Dunn.
Better than spending big money by signing a 100% DH (Dunn) in my opinion (Although Victor is not much better in the field, granted). No need to sign a backup catcher now, as well.
Love this.
Great signing, if it’s true. The 90 point difference in BA will outweigh his defensive follies, at least in my book. Good to see DD getting it done.
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Isn't that what we said about Renteria?
I think VMart will be more consistent, but it’s worth considering.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I assume we won't need his D much
I imagine Vmart will only catch on days the Tigers face a lefty. Avila will start behind the plate against righties, and Vmart DHing.
DING DING DING DING DING
We have a winner!
Victor is our DH 75% of the time.
Now to trade for Señor Zambrano.
by Dergunna Wavimin on Nov 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He has to catch or they would of just sign a DH.But im sure he will DH some and play first some and Cabby will DH and unless they release Carlos he will DH some the nice part is no more Laird.
If that is the case
They signed a very expensive, very average DH
by rif23 on Nov 23, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Switch Hitting "DH"
They paid good money for a good hitter who is a switch hitter & can play no matter who is pitching, Righty or Lefty. He will give Avila a rest when Lefty’s are pitching unless they sign a backup catcher but why would they waste the money for that. They just killed two birds with one stone, a Full-Time DH & a Backup Catcher all in one player.
by TigersFan1957 on Nov 23, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if he can hit while standing on his head, V-Mart is an average DH. Martinez has to catch 80 games or we just wasted a bunch of money.
V-Mart: .302/.351/..493 WAR 4.0
Thome: .283/.412/.627 WAR 3.6
The only reason V-Mart was more valuable than Thome in 2010 is because he caught 100+ games. I don’t see Martinez as more than a 2-2.5 WAR player at DH and that certainly isn’t worth what we are going to be paying him. We would be better off, and cheaper with Avila full time and superior hitter at DH.
average DH:
.252 average, .332 OBP, .426 slugging
Vmart last year:
.302 average, .351 OBP, .493 slugging
Average?
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Good point Kurt, though in fairness there were some god awful DHs last year. I was more referring to Martinez as average compared to other options available this offseason. Compared to Damon, Jose Guienn, Adam Lind, and other guys who saw significant DH time last year V-Mart is a superior DH. But compared to DH type players on the market like Thome, Dunn, Konerko, and Vlad, V-Mart doesn’t look that good to me, especially at 4 years $50mil. As a pure DH there are better cheaper options so I am unsatisfied with the idea of paying V-Mart like a position player if he is going to DH full time. I think this was a good sign, but I am also sure the MArtinez catches 80+ plus games in years 1 and 2.
Play him in the field
And the chances of him hurting himself again increase. We don’t need that, I see him as full-time DH & back-up fielder. We will find out this spring for sure. We can all just speculate for now.
by TigersFan1957 on Nov 23, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
VMart also fills two positions
DH & back-up catcher, this gives the Tigers the advantage of carrying another player on the roster.
by TigersFan1957 on Nov 23, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Your idea of average is rather spectacular
good afternoon
It's easy to just look at last season's stats
But shouldn’t you go by more than one year (which may be an outlier at this point)?
V-Mart:
2008- .278/.337/.365 .9 WAR (he was injured this year though, and had under 300 ABs)
2009- .303/.381/.480 4.1 WAR
2010- .302/.351/.493 4.0 WAR
Thome:
2008- .245/.362/.503 2.3 WAR
2009- .249/.366/.481 1.6 WAR
2010- .283/.412/.627 3.6 WAR (at 39 years old)
When you post stats like you did, you make it sound like Jim Thome is going to throw up a 1.0 OPS again. I mean, look at the 2010 stats, he was worth almost as much as martinez!! Yes, he was. Then you look at how many guys in history have put up a 1.0 OPS or greater at age 40 or older. How many guys? Two. Two men in history have done that.
Ted Williams and Barry Bonds.
I’d say it’s more likely that Thome goes the Frank Thomas route (everything matches up with him leaving the Sox and having a great bounceback season, then signing somewhere for a couple of years and declining before retiring).
Quite simply, Martinez is not going to be a full time DH, he’s going to get more than 300 ABs, and he’s not 40 freaking years old. I think that’s worth the years, the money, and the draft pick that Martinez is going to cost.
by ozymandius1024 on Nov 24, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really can’t disagree with anything you just said, maybe the Thome prediction, but predictions are predictions. This part of the thread began at the suggestion that Martinez should be a full-time DH. He is worth the years and the money because “quite simply, Martinez is not going to be a full time DH”
And, we saved 3-4M per year on a backup C
Does nobody else see this?
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
V Mart will catch
I think he will catch 50% of the time or they would not of signed him to that much money.But i am worried about done the road that he will only be a DH.Hopefully we can trade him in a few years at the trade deadline.
we don't need Zambrano and his 5 year old attitude
please, we can do better than that.
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this
VMart allows us to take 2 back-up infielders (Santiago and the Sizemore/Rhymes loser) and 2 back-up outfielders (Wells and Boesch). Sign Maggs, start Raburn, get another SP and a lefty reliever and we’re done.
Pick
I would guess that giving up the best available pick in the draft for Martinez almost guarantees that we sign another type A
Fan of the move
More needs to be done though.
by Not a Gunslinger on Nov 23, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Fox Sports is reporting he'll be the PRIMARY catcher
This cannot be true… can it? If so, that defensive infield is going to be an absolute butcher. They won’t have a plus defender at any time with that lineup.. Yikes.
It's still November
I’ll believe this when I see it in April.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Fox doesn't watch baseball
MLBTradeRumors suggests he’ll be primarily DH and backup 1B/C.
Those at FOX don’t know what they’re talking about. They have Joe Buck calling baseball games.
by Oberon on Nov 23, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what is better
Your username, or this:
Those at FOX don’t know what they’re talking about. They have Joe Buck calling baseball games.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
But Dave Camreon does
Go read his article. The deal is stupid, unless Vmart catches.
by vandamage on Nov 23, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He probably will catch
But not full time. I don’t mind him catching as our backup, playing 1B as our backup, and DH otherwise. He’s not a TERRIBLE catcher…. just not very good.
He’s a big, everyday bat and a part-time C/1B.
We could always have Gerald Laird again, who at one point yesterday I totally forgot existed. He was removed from my memory.
Laird makes this look really good
Just thinking of Laird makes me ill so i guess we should feel real good about V Mart.
Might as well blow up the 2011 draft
Happy with V-Mart. Now we need a RF that can play the field. Thinking of Werth and not Maggs. Worried about Maggs range over the next two years.
My sentiments exactly
I’m coping though.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Me, too.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
hes about 1,000 times better that Laird
now that guy made me cry. his bat is a good addition to this lineup
Sorry, but he will be the primary catcher
With that contract. At 12+ million a year, he will be the primary catcher. His bat is much less valuable as a full time DH. My guess is for the first 2 years he’ll be catching, and the last 2 he’ll slide over to full time DH. 4 years just seems like too much to me.
Did Boston already offer him arbitration?
If not… then why didn’t DD wait for a few more days? If Boston declined to offer arbitration, then even as a Type A Free Agent the Tigers wouldn’t have to give up the first round draft pick.
Or, maybe Boston already offered, and I’m just wasting some space here.
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I assume Boston would offer him arb anyway.
So I don’t think it really matters.
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Nov 23, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Epstein would have offered anyway
That’s how he rolls.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well.
I guess might as well get Werth (or Crawford or Lee…I jest) now too. And wait a looooong time for that 1st pick in the 2011 draft… (although I’m not too concerned as the 2011 draft offers a ton of talent and depth of talent)
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Nov 23, 2010 11:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I was just about to write that we shouldn't resign Ordonez
until we sign Victor Martinez..
This is great news. I love VMart. I think he’s one of the best hitting catchers and calls a pretty good game. He’s caught for some of the best: Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, Beckett, Lester, and a probably a few more that I’m forgetting.
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by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
that's harsh
I think it’s pretty darn insulting calling VMart a back-up. He’ll probably get 600 AB’s, so I wouldn’t call him a back-up to anyone.
good afternoon
True
He’s our starting DH and backup catcher.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
You watch, he will get more playing time behind the plate than what most of you think. I don’t really agree with it, but that’s the $$$ the DD gave him.
I think he will get more time behind the plate than I would like
But I don’t get paid to make decisions like that.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Can't wait to watch him catch against the Twins.
Span will get 5 SB per at bat if he can reach first.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
drama queens
Geez. Span isn’t even much of a base stealer.
V-Mart gets the pitcher to focus on getting the hitter out. He’ll let the baserunners try to steal, but they likely won’t score.
good afternoon
It was sarcastic - lighten up.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Good good.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
The defense will be rough
Will the Tigers have anyone who is a plus defender besides Jackson in CF? Yikes..
defense is overrated
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by downinthezone on Nov 23, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Vlad over V Mart
It seams to me we are over spending in years as much as dollars for a DH.I would much rather have Vlad he has more power and would probably take a 2yr deal to DH.This sure smells like the same contract Carlos signed and who likes that deal now.
by swish330 on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1000
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hell no
Vlad is a shell of himself. He’s done. I agree the deal for Vmart is too long…. but Vlad would’ve been a mistake.
They just signed V Mart
On yahoo sports they said the Tigers just signed V Mart so i wish him great sucess.
Vlad no shell
How can he be a shell when he hit 300 with 29 hrs i guess i’ll start collectin shells.
I like the price, see that the Evil White Sox offered almost 33% More, 48 for 3,
so a relative bargain? Like the Venezuealan theme, Miggy will stay happy, and suspect there is an implicit understanding that Magglio will be coming back as part of the deal. Also Like that it frees a roster spot. Without VM it would have been a defensive catcher backup like Laird.
Wonder what this says about Ozzie Guillen and his repore with fellow countrymen…Magglio fued still going? Tiger strategy reminds me of Sweden and the Red wings.
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Venezuelan Mafia?
Enrique Gonzalez, signed again, he is from Bolivar Venezuala. Then there are the high priced kid signings, see the recent Lynn Henning link, below.
Guillen is expected to coach there when he retires, and Maggio has a personal friendship of the presdent, who was one of the first to offer help on the “Katrina” disaster. The US should have humbled itself and accepted the help with the way things turned out.
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by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't count on Werth
50m over 4 years is what they expect to pay Vmart. I doubt with that kind of commintment to that amount of money, acquiring Werth won’t happen. Werth is favorited to land in Boston.
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Werth wants “Holliday” money. Yikes. I think Maggs would be a nice consolation prize.
I would love to see maggs back here
I hear the Jay’s are pursuing, I hate the Jay’s. I want my Tiger back in an old English D, muy pronto.
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
If Red Sox trade for Upton
If the Red Sox trade for Upton and the Yankee’s sign Crawford we might be able to still sign Werth.
here's a scenario
Thwy sign Maggs for 2 years and Vmart for 4. When Maggs is all done, they make avilia the primary catcher and move Vmart to DH and maybe to rest the boy avila now and again and by that time, there may be better RF options for the Tigers, either in the system or on the FA market. But that’s just an idea forming in my head….
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
this still isn't confirmed
it’s simply being confirmed by other media people. nobody that actually reports for the tigers nor the team have confirmed it
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Not near enough
VMart can’t be the end of the Tigers signing. The Tigers have spent 18 million on Benoit and VMart. While signing VMart takes the Tigers out of the running for Crawford, it could leave them room for a Werth and an Ordonez and maybe even enough for a Pavano. And yes VMart does have too be the catcher and not the DH.
White Sox
The SouthSideSox thread on Pierzinski is pretty funny right now, they can’t believe he would talk less money to play in Detroit. Even if you don’t like the signing giving the Pale Hoes something to suck on is worth its weight in gold.
He's better friends with "our" Venezuelans than theirs
F%^&$*k Chicago
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by Detroitchik on Nov 23, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You Said It...Sister!!!! Screwww Chicago!!
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by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Let the Suxs and Hawk stew on this one for a few months!
by KeystoneTiger on Nov 23, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
My hope is that Jhonny and Victor talk to DD.
And plead to acquire Shin Soo Choo.
…stop looking at me like that!
Alex English was pretty coo'.
well since they're getting the 07 AL Central champs together
see if they can talk Cliff Lee into signing here too
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they're saying that the report about chicago's bid
“has to be a typo” because nobody would turn down that kind of money to play in detroit for an extra year. hilarious!
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It’s impossible to know the budget, obviously, but we have about $100MM on the 40 man roster right now.
by StringTheory on Nov 23, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
But Dombrowski said it was his goal to get 2 of the top 4 big hitting FA’s this offseason and I can only assume that was with Peralta, Inge and Benoit (or a reliever when he said it).
by Let's do this! on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
See New York is giving Jeter the Run Around
Bring Mr. Kzoo Promise on Home MR Illich for that 3 spot, like Mike Modano.
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by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want Jetahh in an old English D
ever
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Jeter's camp is laughing at 3/45
in what world does he think he’s worth more than that. He should be delighted for that offer, at his age.
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No Jeter Please
The Tigers don’t want Jeter and he isn’t going anywhere but to the Yankees
can I swear in this thread please?
because the thought of Jeter in the D makes me want to.
As if VMart coming over didn’t make me want to swear already…
I wouldn't be against Jeter on the Tigers
if the Yankees paid his salary.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha rec'd
because the Yankees can afford it
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Wow. Somewhat surprising news
The first thought I had was will we still have enough cash to make a run at Crawford?
Second is, ‘finally! we’re getting some help for Miguel!’ Victor proves that we’re serious about winning in 2011 and will give Miggy some needed protection in the meat of the order.
Would have preferred a Crawford signing preceding this one; but I’m pretty happy about it
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Well if you believe what the Tigers say they had too spend which was @60 million, they have spent 18 million on Martinez and Benoit. So that leaves @ 42 million.
Agree with the signing, but not the timing
I think VMart is a great bat and we can debat all day about where he’ll play, but the organization will make that known shortly (and it might change by April anyhow). I think he’ll play 50 games in the field and the rest at DH. Either way, he’s a perfect #3 hitter and his .300 – . 310 average and .350 – .370 OBP might get even better in front of the best batter in the league. He’s been durable and I’ve heard he’s a good clubhouse guy. (As for the length of contract, I’d rather have 3 years, but I don’t mind 4. Lots of people are in favor of Maggs for 2 years. VMart is a similar hitter, perhaps more power…think of his contract as two Maggs 2-year contracts stacked on top of each other.)
Unfortunately, we could have filled DH in a number of ways, but corner OF is getting pretty tight. I think there’s still room for Maggs and a SP (or Werth, but we’d have to trade for the SP.) I’d have rather seen the big contract (and the early one) go to the corner OF. It would be easier to fill the DH later than vice versa.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
I agree 100%
I wish we signed Crawford first (presuming he’d come here for the right price).
I also wish we’d trade for Matt Garza
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Like Garza
Would love to trade for Garza even if we have to give up Turner.Garza is just 26 and proven starter.
DH is still open
Martinez will bring 12 million per year to behind the dish.
I'll bet you a beer he doesn't catch often
…and by often I mean >60 games.
I actually like your odds on this one. If the team is snubbed by Crawford, Werth, Maggs, and any other respectable corner OF, we may end up signing a more traditional DH (like Thome) to fill the #5 hole on our team. If that’s the case, VMart’s bat will have to park itself behind home plate.
However, I still think we’ll get that #5 stick from a position player. For the good of the team, I hope I’m right.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
It's a deal!
Make it a 6-pack.
I’ve got to imagine at the very least they resign Maggs to play RF.
Victor Martinez is not worth 12.5 million a year to be a DH and partime catcher. They’re paying for his bat to bring value at the catcher position.
I would rather see them get a solid starter
The lineup isn’t great right now, but the rotation needs more help than the offense IMO.
73-5.5 inge-5.25 peralta-6 benoit-12 vvw- 11defered comp.... minus
6-8 sign other players like zumaya, minus 29 million lost last year. They might already be in the red again. But then, I guess mr. I can spend till his personal wealth is exhausted, hope Pizza prices don’t go up! Tigerdog says its all fuzzy math with unreported revenue anyway.
Then what I can’t figure out is how the Rangers emerge from bankruptcy with a 3B dollar
TV deal. "Yes your honor, “the Presumption of Abuse does Arise”.
Piston financing/new areana downtown?
"Always 1984"
Gonna be a huge revenue boost
When illich buys the Stones and we end up with the “Little Ceasar’s Sports Network”
maybe baseball and Pizza can be sold in Venezueala
see Vlad calling the Rangers, “Latin America’s Team”.
"Always 1984"
by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hugo
that would definitely increase ticket sales with all the Venezuelan ex-pats coming in to boo he and Maggs.
Heard Hugo is well liked at home
and may manage a more free society then we have here at least in absolute terms. One person in prison for every 10 here, but then we will always have “Gates Brown”.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/04/22/us/20080423_PRISON_GRAPHIC.html#
"Always 1984"
by Hack Johnson on Nov 23, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do we still need a DH
I am guessing that we signed V Mart to catch most of the time so do we still need a DH because im not sure V MART is going to bat behind Cabby and who is going to play right field now.So who is DD shopping for now Crawford and a DH to bat behind Cabby.Lineup #1 Jackson #2 Crawford #3 Martinez #4 Cabrera #5Konerko #6Raburn #7Peralta #8 Inge #9 (Rymes Sizemore)
Let's be realistic here....
Unfortunately, I will never make passionate love to Jennifer Aniston and Carl Crawford will never wear the English D
by Honeyman on Nov 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
But you can dream...
And when you come back to reality, you’ll need tissues either way.
by TonyOrlando78 on Nov 23, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I know its wishful thinking
But DD has been very busy so far he must of had a plan before he started this i am thinking this is just the start of more to come maybe MR I told him he wants to win next year he isn’t getting any younger.
Not sure about Aniston
Honeyman not sure about Aniston but one out of two isn’t so bad you’d be batting 500.Crawford would look really good batting #2.
Bah I had to come over here
The clueless comments on the Freep story made me crazy. This deal doesn’t, though.
Direct spiritual descendant of Katie Casey
An interesting comparison to put the $ and yrs in context
From: WEEI Sports Network
Victor Martinez, Tigers: 4 years, $50 million ($12.5 million AAV)
Signed as a free agent for ages 32-35 (2011-14)
Career stat line when signed: .300/.369/.469/.838, 131 HR, 638 RBI, 121 OPS+
Pudge Rodriguez, Tigers: 4 years, $40 million ($10 million AAV) plus club option
Signed as free agent for ages 32-35 (2004-07)
Career stat line when signed: .304/.344/.488/.832, 231 HR, 914 RBI, 113 OPS+
Pudge’s counting numbers (HR, RBI) are larger since he was in MLB from an earlier age. Note the OPS+ comparisons. Of course this is only with the stick; I know that VMart’s glove is not in Pudge’s class. Seem like comparable deals, when one accounts for inflation of MLB contracts.
V-Mart's career numbers @ Comerica almost as bad as Peralta's
Hopefully V-Mart is more successful against non-Tiger pitching in Comerica than Peralta was in 2010.
I'm concerned about the direction of the org.
Seems Dombrowski is just throwing tons of $$$ at problems. I know he has to try and improve the team, but this smells nothing like the 2006 WS team. Even though they spent $$ on vets like Pudge, Maggs, Rogers…they still had a young crop of prospects come up and help out. Now there are no impact prospects coming (short of Turner) to help this team. Seems to me the organization is stuck in the middle.
I agree
But since were only part way through this offseason lets just wait and see what eles the Tigers do and then judge them.Maybe the Tigers are going all out to try and win next year.And with Verlander and Scherzer pitching in the playoffs 5 out of a 7 game series now maybe our time.
Plus let's not pretend what the core of that team was
Because it was veterans we traded/paid for. Polanco, Ordonez, Guillen in the lineup and Rogers at the top of the rotation.
And just as we had the young core of Verlander, Zumaya and Granderson we have the young core of Jackson/Sizemore/Porcello/Perry now with Turner/Oliver/Fields/Nick C. developing.
We do have some young talent
We do have some young talent on this team Scherzer,Perry,Jackson,Sizemore,Boesch,Wells,Schealreth,Ryemes,Porcello,and Verlander and Cabby aren’t that old yet and who know who eles might come up from the minors.Great point Nicolas08.
the tigers just add aplayer whe fills one of thier needs in the line up he hit from both sides can play 3spots at c//ib//dh for less money then want they paid miggey and know players licke werth who might not have pick the tigers just might in fab eause they licke the moves tighers have made so far in fa this year also the tigher might add matsui to thier fa list this year he can play of //dh and would be a great top of the order bat for the tigears
Don't be so hard on him now
We can’t all be writers now.Im glad you commented kwfords.
we dont' all have to be writers
but we have to actually try to communicate in a forum used for communication. If he doesn’t understand how to use punctuation marks, then we have a big problem.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 23, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe thats the best he can do
Kurt i understand what your saying but maybe thats the best he can do.Im just glad to see him trying to make a comment.I have a son who is Mentally challeged so maybe im more forgiving.
I never insinuated he was mentally challenged
and to do so is both insulting and horribly ignorant. Technology today allows for us to edit what we write before posting it into a public forum. I literally can’t tell what the point is that he’s trying to make. This is the problem.
I wasn't talking about him
Rob i wasn’t trying to say anything bad about anyone and i was talking about my own son not anyone else.I just think we should all be more tollerent of each other.Happy Thanksgiving to All.
i'm ok with this deal
as long as he’s the primary DH and catches less than 30% of the games for us.
I Like Pie
They sign him to Catch
For that kind of money im sure he will be catching over 50% of the time.If they sign a DH then you will know thats true.Just remember Laird and everything will be ok.
Huff at 2 yrs-22 M
makes this deal look even better.
I thought about posting this also...
In fact, I tried, but my fingers refused to put the player name and contract details in the same text box. Freaky.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
Ok, well
One more big signing, I hope.
Not sure whether I’d rather have Werth or Pavano… if neither, hopefully we can at least bring back Maggs for 1-2 years.
As nice as it is making the moves we’ve made, at this moment, we probably aren’t as good as last year (Maggs + Damon>V-Mart), so we really need to make one more move.
A lifelong Tigers fan
Pavano for sure
Not just because starting pitching is so important but because we’d be sticking it to the Twins by taking him from them. Plus he’s mostly owned us the last two seasons so then we wouldn’t have to hit against him anymore.
Good point.
While Werth may be the better WAR player, taking Pavano from the Twins would be huge. Especially in a year when there are no other legitimate 1-3 starting pitchers on the market.
A lifelong Tigers fan
Not Done Yet
I don’t think the Tigers are done yet they have been very aggressive so far and i don’t think they are going to stop.I would think they are going to try and sign Crawford or Werth next and if that dosen’t work out they will proably sign a DH and then Maggs or make a Trade for a corner outfielder.
VMart and Benoit
I think we’re about 6 wins better with them.
If Coke turns out to be a decent starter, then we’re about another 2 wins better.
With Minnesota losing Pavano, they are about 4 wins worse.
If we resign Magglio we could be a 90 win team if Porcello and Scherzer pitch to their potential for a full season. We can’t afford to be sending them to Toledo again to get straightened out. It would be nice to get a veteran arm to give our rotation some depth. Having Zach Miner back should help too.
good afternoon
Don't want Minor
I only see Minor in long relief and hope we have someone better.
I'd be glad to have Miner in the long releif/swing starter role that Bonine left behind
he’s gonna be cheap
Miner Repairs
How do we know he will be alright to pitch but we can hope he will be this years Benoit.
Repairs?
I thought Minor was going to miss the start of next season? So unless the Tigers are getting a real discount price from him and his agent, why bother? Aren’t there other guys out there who aren’t coming off arm/shoulder injuries that are FAs and actually less risk more upside? And don’t forget about some of the young guys available from Toledo and Erie. I’m not sure you need to go anyplace for a middle/long reliever.
by KeystoneTiger on Nov 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just need to add Martinez (I think Magglio gets resigned real soon)
good afternoon
by linuxit on Nov 23, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Great
I lose internet for one day and we do this.
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Free Scott Sizemore!
It could be worse
Think of the insanity if we had signed Cliff Lee.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 24, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be okay with that.
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Free Scott Sizemore!
by David Tokarz on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
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