Scott Boras speaks about Magglio Ordonez
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 5, 2010 9:32 PM EDT
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PrintYou know how when your family gets together on Thanksgiving, it's not officially the start of the holiday until your crazy uncle gets drunk and falls off his chair?
Well the offseason doesn't officially begin until agent Scott Boras opens his mouth to talk about how big the market is for one of his clients. He spoke about Magglio Ordonez today with MLB.com's Jason Beck.
"We've gotten a lot of early calls. I think with this marketplace, the right-handed hitters of that ilk, like Magglio, there's going to be a very strong demand for them."
Duh.
The fact Boras spoke really changes nothing at all. Before the offseason it was pretty obvious there was going to be a market for the services of Ordonez. You don't have a batter with an .800 OPS five consecutive years--dating back to his injury-plagued season in 2005--without teams interested in his services. Any Tigers fans who thought the team could get Ordonez for $6 or $7 million were delusional. Of course, doesn't mean Ordonez is going to get a contract through the roof either just because Boras said there's a few teams interested in him.
My take? The Tigers would like to bring him back. He's been successful in Detroit in the past. The coaches and the manager both know him. His teammates know him. He knows how to play right field in Comerica Park.
Just don't expect Detroit to get into a bidding war for his services either. Hopefully they've learned by now about paying too much for an aging ballplayer coming off an injury.
The market for aging outfielders hasn't been the strongest in past years, but Johnny Damon managed to get $8 million in 2009 and Bobby Abreu $10 million. Vlad Guerrero got less, obviously, but I don't think Ordonez will be viewed as a primary DH quite yet. With the state of the free-agent market for outfielders, I think Ordonez will get a two-year deal worth a total in the $15-17 million range with an optional third year.
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I didn't read the Jason Beck article
but does Boras ever mention what other teams have called regarding Magglio? I bet he doesn’t. He’s just working the off-season hype, hoping DD will bite. Hopefully Maggs will take a reasonable amount being offered to him, whether its with Detroit or another team; or he may end up like Damon when spring training starts.
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Maggs
I do like Maggs, but, unless they opt to release Carlos Guillen, there is no place for another DH on the roster. If they try and play him in the outfield, he will be on the DL by May. Time to move on to younger players
I disagree
what makes you think he would end up on the DL by May? He doesn’t have an extensive history of being on the DL. He’s always proved competent in the field, he’s not the best but he holds his own out there. He’s been rehabbing well and will most likely test his “sea legs” in the Venezuelan Pro League in December to be sure the bone is/has healed properly.
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Wouldn't ecactly say
Ordonez lacks an extensive history of injuries. Especially considering the only reason the Tigers ever got him was due to an injury, and in his 5 years spent in Detroit he amassed over a season of DL time.
He does lack an extensive history
in ‘06, ’07, ’08 and ’09 he averaged 147 games, in 4 seasons. Four solid seasons would leave me to believe that his doesn’t have an extensive history of being on the DL. (and in Chicago 140 games per season – and I factored in the year of the knee injury) In ‘05, people were thinking that the Tigers would not get their moneys worth from Maggs and in 2006 he took us to the World Series and in 2007 he brought home the batting title with a higher average than anyone in baseball (both leagues).
In 2005 it was an abdominal strain that turned out to be a hernia that kept him on the DL here and once recovered, he’s had only minor stints on the DL, same as most any player on any team. In 14 seasons playing, he’s had just 3 season where he spent time on the DL due to extensive injury, so I would say overall he doesn’t have an extensive history and has proved his worth in Detroit.
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hmmmm...
I think I’m hearing your Tiger roar of triumph from way up here in Bay City.
that was a Comment of Pwnage.
OIC what you mean . . .
. . . not sstained on defense rather than offense.
I was about to point out that home plate is part of the field . . .
by rea on Nov 7, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
OMG
Haven’t you people learned yet? Do not mess with Detroitchik when talking about Magglio.
Geesh!!!
BTW, I do agree with her comment.
by J and S' Team on Nov 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore,
Guillen is probably out until at least the All Star Break. I’d disagree anyhow because I feel that he’s competent in RF, but Guillen’s injury allows us to sign a DH player. Personally, I don’t think Maggs is that guy. If they sign Maggs, it will be to play RF. If they also go after VMart (which I don’t really want) they would be able to share DH time while Maggs gets time in RF and VMart at C.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
Say what you want about Boras
And no, I dont particularly like him either. But, you must admit, he’s very good at his job. The only reason he’s speaking out about Mags is because he knows he has damaged goods and he’s trying to put doubt and fires out before they start. Its a warning shot. I would have no problem with the Tigs giving Maggs 10-11 mil for 3 years. This guy has been nothing but pure baseball any and every where he’s played if he is not injured. He knew he didnt have a Magss type year in 2009 (although he still hit 300). Look how hard he worked last offseason and the shape he came in to spring training 2010. And, I dont doubt Maggs is working hard now he get back to being the player he knows he can be. I think he has at least two more good Magg type seasons in him and could possibly a DH in the last year. Anyone who under estimates Maggs is a fool. He will come back strong and work even harder to get back to where he was before his injury. He’s proven himself, time and time and time again. RESIGN MAGGS DD.
Boras is good at what he does
That’s partially because he throws ethics out the door, which I disagree with. However, he also negotiates withing the realm of the law and ethics better than anyone out there, so he deserves some credit.
That being said, even Boras isn’t good enough to get Maggs 30M. I would guess that the highest figure we’ll see is 25M if someone wants to give him 3 years. More likely, it would be 2 with option(s) and the two will be at 10M or less per.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
maggs will never get 30 million with Detroit
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giving maggs that much money would be a mistake
every bit the magnitude of what got the tigers into the mess they were in the past 3 years
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Notice Boris said Maglio is not going to play Winter Ball
Trust the Boris spin, I don’t, Bad news.
"Always 1984"
according to an interview done with Maggs about 3 weeks ago
he was/is planning to play in December for the Caribes de Anzoategui, his team in VZ. My guess is he will play, he’s going to want to see how that ankle is doing, and obviously to prove his worth in MLB. However, Magglio also said he would not do anything to jeopardize his MLB career. So, if the healing is going well, I would think Boras would also want Maggs to check that ankle out before trying to overprice him on the open market
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Mistake? Not worth the money?
Ok, fair enough, you have your opinions Kurt, Detroitchik. I remember last spring when most people on here was all excited about the 8 mil and Johnny come marching home. If I remember correctely a lot of people thought it was a good move at a decent price. I can understand everyones hesitation, (hello sheffield). But some of these guys already showed or were already in a decline when we gave them the big bucks. If you can justify 8 mil for Johnny Damon, you certainly be able to justify 10-11 for Mags. Show me in the last 5 years the guy with what at 800 OBS, in the top 10 in hitting (except 2009), has great power numbers, and has shown NO decline in any of these areas AT ALL. Magss will get this deal because he’s worth it. Dont be surprised if CWS try and get him back. Maybe you guys are right, not in Detroit, but will produce and be worth the $$ wherever he does.
I was not excited when "Johnny came marching in"
I never wanted him here in the first place, but after he was signed to that deal I had to resign myself to the fact he was in an Old English D.
I can guarantee there is no one who wants Maggs back on this team more than me. Trust me when I tell you that. But you have to be realistic. He’s going to be 37 when the season starts and he’s coming off an injury. You’re right he doesn’t/hasn’t shown any decline, I said that myself, many times.
However, do you really think Detroit is going to give him 30m over 2 years, when they declined his 15m option? I don’t. I don’t think there is a team out there who will. You might be right, they may go as much as 11m per year, if they do and he signs here, I’ll be dancing in the streets faster than anyone you know.
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I love Maggs
but if he does end up in the $15-17mil range I would rather see us go after a full time DH like Guerrero or Thome and spend the money going after Werth or Crawford
my guess is that Vlad is going to be making 6-7M himself, so it won't be much different than ordonez
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But Vlad brings his mom who makes awesome food.
That adds to his value.
Alex English was pretty coo'.
I'll cook you all the same things Vlad's mom does
for the same price….
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Just my opinion but I'd take Maggs at 6MM to 8MM a year for 2years.
Anything more than that and I’d pass but Im a bit partial I guess. I think part of his contract should be that he MUST bring back the locks.
Quit screwin around Maggs so they can sign you and move on to Crawford!
by JAYRC on Nov 7, 2010 2:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
exactly the range i was thinking
anything higher than that save the money and just take a run at 2 big bats. i love maggs and would hate to see him go but needs to be for the right price
2 years 18 million
I’d do it in a heartbeat I’d bet the farm he’s got that much productive time left in him. He’s one helluva ballplayer.Then go after Crawford
2 years 16m
Mutual option for 8m for the next year.
Deputy Editor, Bless You Boys
Free Scott Sizemore!
2 years, 16M and $1
It works on the Price is Right. I like DT’s bid, so I’m stealing it.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
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