Tigers would have been better served by picking up Jhonny Peralta's option
Jhonny Peralta's best season in professional baseball was in 2005. His second best was in 2008. He managed to hit for a fair average in both years, as well as some power. However, in the past two seasons, he has gotten worse and worse at the plate, and in the field he was driven from the keystone position of shortstop to third base until Detroit returned him to the middle of the infield.
Sunday the Detroit Tigers agreed to a two-year deal with him worth at least $11.75 million with an option for a third year that would increase the total value of the contract to $17.25 million.
They now have a below average defender at shortstop and first base, as well as a third baseman who has been sliding closer toward average each season. And they have this infield for the next two seasons and possibly three.
Excuse me if I take a moment here to mourn for the future of contact pitcher Rick Porcello, whose ability to get ground balls requires the team to put a solid infield defense around him. This infield defense is certainly doing him no favors going forward.
But at least Peralta can contribute some offense right? He had 14 home runs in 2010, and has had as many as 23 in the past. I just hope the Tigers are not making the mistake of overvaluing the RBI statistic, because it's hard to find a reason they would give Peralta such a pay raise for any other reason. Clearly, they overvalue offense, learning nothing from the fact 2006 and 2009 were the team's best two seasons since the 1980s and both years were predicated on a defense-first mentality.
The past two seasons, Peralta has been a 1.4 and 1.2 wins above replacement player. This is obviously a slight improvement over Adam Everett, who was a 0.6 win player in 2009 and 0.3 in 2010.
Worrisome are Peralta's splits at Comerica Park during his career:
| Split | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DET-Comerica Pk | 321 | 33 | 78 | 16 | 0 | 6 | 40 | 25 | 60 | .243 | .295 | .349 | .644 | .277 |
Not good. In the past two years, they have been even worse. For example, this was the picture in the 2010 season:
| Split | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DET-Comerica Pk | 121 | 9 | 27 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 19 | 11 | 16 | .223 | .284 | .306 | .589 | .238 |
Obviously too much can be made of splits. They are a smaller sample size. But the picture in Detroit so far has been bleak and consistently bad over so many seasons it does not give a lot of confidence.
Another reason to worry about this deal: The closest comparisons to Peralta, however, will not thrill Tigers fans. He is remarkably similar to Neifi Perez and Edgar Renteria at similar ages:
The wOBA stat is a quick way of encompassing all the things a batter does into one quick glance. It's scaled to look similar to the OBA we are already familiar with. In other words, .330 is about average. .350 and above is good. Peralta's woBA the past two years has been .304 and .309.
As you can see, neither Renteria nor Perez were good players at the age of 28. The Tigers have to hope Peralta follows Renteria's lead and improves. However, Renteria went from the American League to the National League and showed his improvement there. And hey, at least Perez could play some defense.
The Tigers didn't have a lot of good choices in finding a shortstop for the 2011 season. The free agent market was not ripe, and the internal candidates were not great. However, Detroit would have been best served by picking up the 2011 option for $7.25 million rather than locking in a player like this for multiple years. This move is not one to be celebrated. It is one to be tolerated, and only when we get to the end of the offseason and are able to look at the moves as a complete group.
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I don't buy the CoPa splits
First, I’ve said all along that I would rather have the option (overpriced) than two years or more. If we HAVE to sign him for two years, I hoped it would be front loaded so that it’s really like buying the option and having Peralta in 2012 for 3 or 4M (which makes him more tradeable).
While viewing the CoPa splits isn’t encouraging, I’m not as worried about this as some are. His splits come mostly as an Indian, facing Tigers SP. Probably about 15% of his AB’s came against JV. Maybe he has trouble with a Tiger’s SP or two and that contributes to a rough 300 AB’s. It’s a pretty small sample. I’m fully expecting a decent 2011 at the plate from Peralta and he’ll be substantially better than anything we’ve had batting from the SS position in a long time. It’s one less gaping hole in our lineup than we had last year when there were three zero-offense bats in the lineup to start the season.
Beyond that, it allows the club to focus more energy and more cash on LF, DH, C, SP, and other positions. If you can fill one of your starting slots for 5-6M, that certainly allows them to spend money elsewhere.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
using OPS
career: .747
career at Jacobs Field: .755
career vs. Tigers: .717
For the Tigers this year, he went 24-for-99 in the Tigers uniform with one home run
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Because Porcello did so great with Everett at SS?
Give Peralta a shot. He’s the better option at short in this weak F/A class at SS.
Time to focus on Maggs and Crawford now!
by JAYRC on Nov 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Everett didn't do so great with Everett at SS
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by Detroitchik on Nov 7, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Btw I wasn't trying to sound as rude as I did.
As usual you bring up very good points Kurt.
I was just pleased with the deal given the lack of options unless we pulled off a trade.
3B and SS didn’t get much better but they didn’t get much worse. I was worried they would break the bank on Beltre coming off of a career year and do something dumb like going after Renteria!
by JAYRC on Nov 7, 2010 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i know
I was just trying to lighten things up. :) I hope i didn’t sound rude, either, Just being a smart ass.
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every pitcher needs defense
it’s part of the game. This isn’t fantasy baseball. It follow good defense will help pitchers get better results.
In the case of the Tigers, with a superior-fielding Everett at shortstop in 09, they finished ninth in the league in defensive efficiency. Porcello had a pretty good season behind good results on his balls allowed in play. Being a contact pitcher, that’s a lot.
This season after May it was basically a mish-mash of several shortstop, including a lot of below-average innings racked up. The DEF was now 18th. The pitching staff was now 12th. And Porcello was now below average.
Obviously you can’t pin it all on the shortstop. But I’ll tell you, that’s the most important defensive position in the infield and having a statue there is going to hurt the Tigers’ ability to turn hits into outs. Porcello is going to be the pitcher who sees the results harshest because hes the one who gives up the most ground balls.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a fan
Sure, there aren’t any good SS options on the FA market, but why not go with a platoon of Santiago and Worth? Neither of them are great with the bat, but their defense is significantly better than Peralta’s and the cost would be far lower. I think the savings and the improvement in defense would have made up for any offensive benefits Peralta might bring to the table.
However, while I do think that this is a mistake, it’s not a grievous one. $6 million per year is a reasonable amount to pay, and if Peralta can give us 1.5-2 WAR each of the next two years (which he probably won’t), it will probably be worth it. I just think that there are better options, and that the money could have been spent more wisely.
I’m pretty confident that our left side of the infield will be one of the worst (taking into account both offense and defense) among next year’s contenders.
Sure, there aren’t any good SS options on the FA market, but why not go with a platoon of Santiago and Worth?
Adam Everett is asking the same question.
Yes, Peralta’s glove sucks, but hopefully he’ll be able to get into a groove offensively hitting behind Miggy (or behind the guy behind Miggy, ideally).
ideally he's hitting 7th or lower
because while he might hit above-average for a shortstop he’s still below average for a batter.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I agree
It depends on who mans the other two OF spots and 2B next season. If we’re able to comfortably put Peralta 7th or lower, we’re in good shape. If he hits 6th, we might be ok. If he’s hitting 5th, abandon ship.
caption for that picture...
Guillen: “Herp?”
Peralta: “Derp.”
The only thing that remotely excites me about Jhonny Peralta is having his bat shore up the back end of our lineup. Really that is the only thing about him that has the potential to be even slightly above average. Defensively he is probably better suited to be a third baseman because he just doesn’t have the range, but still has decent hands. But I’m just not sure what upgrades at short stops are out there. Everybody is a risk, at least we’ve seen Jhonny play. But regardless of the free agent market, we should have picked up his option versus renegotiating.
Who knows what would’ve transpired over the next season? Maybe Jhonny has a hot 1st half and becomes real nice trade bait because of an expiring contract. Oh the possibilities. Oh well, no sense dwelling.
Why better to pick up 1 year when you can get 2?
This way we have a decent SS for 2 years at a cheap price tag. 2 yrs is better then 1 with Perlata. GO TiGS!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions
because he's not that great
would have been better to save 4m, then in 2k12 when possibly the FA market has more to offer and instead of getting an average SS over two seasons you might be able to get a good one in ’12.
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Never play the wait till next year game.
6 mil isnt that much money nowadays. There is no guarantee anyone would or will sign with Detroit. Peralta is a good player. THANKFULLY WE HAVE HIM!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 8, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Define bad.
Your right he is bad to the bad. BAABBAABBABBAA bad. Love em. GO GET EM TIGERS!!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 8, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Limited ability to play the field, especially at shortstop.
His bat isn’t good enough to overcome his defense. Signing him for 2 years with an option for a third doesn’t seem like a sound choice.
Alex English was pretty coo'.
remember Bennie has a track record of getting behind the underdog
he was willis’s biggest support.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
Bennie has a track record of chugging kool aid
by the gallon.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 8, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes indeed.
However I like SS that hit over .250 better then ones that hit under .200.
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He's our optimist
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Free Scott Sizemore!
by David Tokarz on Nov 8, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt
This is true. however i aslo called Ajax season this year.
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 8, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
you called everyone this season
you had to be right on something!
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Kurt that letting the option kick in would have been better. I think Peralta is adequate as a one year stop gap but I wish they would have kept that position open for 2012. He’s not horrible but I like defense at shortstop and don’t like to see mediocre players signed beyond one year.
I don't really think the second year prevents them from making a move for 2012 if it's on the table.
$5 mil isn’t much money to eat if he spends all 2011 being crap or if something falls in their lap.
to me, that's the only good thing
it’s low enough the Tigers can eat it.
But make no mistake, any time you have to eat 5 million dollars that’s money you can’t spend elsewhere — the draft, international scouting, free agents, etc.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Peralta would be expensive, but a good bench bat
If Santa, 2011, shows up with a shiney new shortstop (and the only way I see this happening is by trading for a blocked prospect), Peralta could be a fine bat off the bench. Santiago’s contract will be up, so you might see Peralta in the role of backup 3B, SS, 2B, DH and still log 400 AB’s. Now, most teams don’t have 5M sitting the bench, but good bats on the bench are something I see from contending teams.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
I still think that DD sees him as Guillen 2.0
And by that I mean a player that breaks out with the Tigers.
Also, in mentioning your bad infield defense, you forgot to mention Scott Sizemore and Will Rhymes. Sizemore is below average and Rhymes is average at best. So we’re more screwed then even you think. ;)
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I don't get the hate
I see a two-win guy being paid as a two-win guy. In those splits, a guy with a career .313 BABIP has a .277 and a .238. If you were in favor of the option, consider this contract to be structured $7/$4.75. You’re signing him for under $5 mill for ‘11. If he’s awful, you can easily move him for that much salary relief. He is a SS, after all.
Agreed
The contract isn’t that bloated. If he really ends up being a problem and we have a better option he won’t be that hard to move for a prospect or two. But right now there really aren’t any better options. This gives Dombrowski money to go after Crawford and Martinez. Beltre was the only real upgrade available at short and he’ll be back in Boston. Anyone who thinks we could’ve traded for someone better needs to be reminded that we have nothing to trade with.
anyone who thinks we have nothing to trade with needs to be reminded of the trades that built this team
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s just like DD to go steal underperforming veterans and use them to make a championship caliber club.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 8, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a SS
He’s a 3B playing SS. That’s the hate, I suppose. Personally, I’m okay with him at SS because Adam Everett’s flacid bat screwed up my expectation of what a SS should be.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
Yeah, but we had a lot more valuable prospects then. Even though Miller and Maybin were busts in Florida, on paper they were hot commodities. Don’t even get me started on trading Jair Jurjens. Last year we gave up established players in Granderson and E. Jackson.
Our current farm system doesn’t have that much depth and trading Jacob Turner should be out of the question. We also can’t really afford to trade any of our current established players because they only ones good enough to get anything worthwhile in return aren’t worth letting go.
here's the organizational tree
http://www.blessyouboys.com/pages/the-detroit-tigers-organizational-tree
you’ll see a fair number of players who came at very little cost.
Several more starters who are no longer on the tree also came for either mid-level prospects or replaceable major leaguers.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 8, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone forgets that we just saw him play SS for a while.
Im not sure how many errors he made and I dont think hes that different at SS defensivly then Rentaria will be. Hes a decent player with a nice bat. GO TIGERS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 8, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Don't rule out a trade
Hey- they now have Peralta signed. Now they have the ability to trade him in a package for say a shortstop prospect who is blocked and has nowhere to go. Just a thought
if we're trading for a blocked SS prospect
Why would they ask for a SS in return?
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by Christopher Horvath on Nov 8, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I know, pick me!
Trick question…because Peralta’s really a 3B and now we have a 3B to spare. Genius, simply genius.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

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