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Are the Twins Still Public Enemy Number One?

    It goes without saying that the Twins have been the biggest thorn in the Tigers' side in recent years.  Even a full season removed from Game 163, I suspect that many of us still have some unresolved anger over the way 2009 ended.  However, is there a new evil on the horizon, one that should be vexing Tiger fans even more than Mauer, Morneau, and company?  In all of the sizing up of the competition that has been going on recently, I have heard little mention of the Chicago White Sox as the team the beat. 

    Consider the lineup the South Siders can trot out on any given night.  While Juan Pierre offers little in terms of extra base pop and does not get on base as often as a leadoff hitter ideally would, he did swipe 68 bags last year.  Following Pierre are Gordon Beckham, Alex Rios, Paul Konerko, Adam Dunn, Carlos Quentin, Alexei Ramirez, Pierzynski, and whichever youngster establishes himself at third base.  Beckham has all-star potential and Ramirez had nice bounce back campaign in '10, winning the silver slugger award by posting a more than respectable slash line of .283/.321/.430.  Rios experienced a tremendous revival after a disappointing 2009 campaign.  Provided Kenny Williams does not trade his defensively challenged right fielder before the snow melts, I dare say that Chicago is a Carlos Quentin comeback year away from being an elite offensive club.

   The White Sox pitching staff does not have a dominant front-line starter unless Peavy can sidestep injury concerns and reestablish the reputation he had in the NL.  However, John Danks leads a starting five that is deep and has Chris Sale, a young lefty with filthy stuff, waiting in the wings to prove his mettle while Peavy heals.  The bullpen is in transition, however, after cutting loose their ninth inning man with a bloated salary (and physique), Bobby Jenks.  While they seem to lack depth, there are several quality arms still in the pen lead by power lefty Matt Thornton.

    Meanwhile, the Twins have a number of question marks.  The pitching staff that seems to be dependable year in and year out will look quite different after numerous free agent departures.  Carl Pavano, their number two starter, may well be headed to a different team via free agency as well.  It remains to be seen if Justin Morneau can return to form after a severe concussion.  It also remains to be seen if Joe Mauer is the guy that hit 28 homers in 2009 or the one that hit 53 in the rest of career, including a paltry total of 9 in 2010.  It is this uncertainty, coupled with a some moves to improve the offense on the South Side, that points to a new Central Division pecking order in 2011.

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Think the Twins will be for a while.

The Sux have a team that reminds me of (and pardon me for saying this) us in the 90’s. Some real good thumpers, not really a lot of pitching or defense. They will probably look more like a .500 team if they don’t improve the staff.

Minnie just seems to be able to put together a TEAM better than anyone in the Central year after year, no matter what they lose in the off season. I guess that means my opinion is that the Sux will be flashier but no more of a threat than last year. However, I do wonder how the Twinks will do it this year.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 11, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

umm...

Improve the staff?

Peavy- Finally Heatlhy
Buerhle
Danks
Jackson
Floyd

That is as deep as it gets in the league, sox are the favourite.

by Benzy Ferrari on Dec 13, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop

with the Twins, but it never seems to happen. I go into every season thinking this is the year that a glaring weakness will keep them down, yet they consistently win. At various time they have seemed to be lacking offense or front line starting pitching, but it never matters by the time we reach September…they’re always right there.

It depends on what Pavano and Nathan contribute, but this year I look at the pitching staff as a whole and their lack of offense on the infield and I don’t see how they’re going to get it done. In spite of their mediocre defense, I think the Sox will have a really good offense and enough pitching to be the Tigers’ primary threat this year.

I can only agree with your assessment about the Twins though…they simply know how to build a good small market team. Solid but not spectacular starting pitching, excellent defense, terrific bullpen, a productive farm system, and enough offense.

by BayesLaw on Dec 11, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Same

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Twinks landed up with the Central title this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if Chicago did either. Would if Detroit did.

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Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Dec 14, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Do I hear hate the Twins?

That’s a sentiment I agree with in full!

Alex English was pretty coo'.

by 13194013 on Dec 12, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone once said

If you’re no good, they don’t hate you.

Damn Twins.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Dec 14, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes they are

Nest is the White Sox, the Royals are a pain and I sort of just pity the Indians

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by Detroitchik on Dec 12, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Don't pity anybody

The Tribe is the team that got us started losing after the all star break.

by swish330 on Dec 12, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Bah

DESPISE the Indians, merely loathe the Twins.

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Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Dec 14, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Your priorities are wrong.

Despise them both at once!

Alex English was pretty coo'.

by 13194013 on Dec 14, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

They have to be

Until someone can knock them off of the top, they have to be enemy No. 1 in the Central.

by Let's do this! on Dec 12, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

But relating to this post

I’d have to say I hate the Twins more, (a) for obvious 2009-related reasons, and (b) because they’re never that good on paper but they always win the division and immediately get swept in the playoffs. It’s one of the most frustrating things in the world to see.

Chicago is definitely a close second. I HATE that stupid roller rink they call a baseball park. Paul Konerko has to be slugging close to 1.500 against the Tigers for his career.

by Rob Rogacki on Dec 12, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

A lifelong Tigers fan

by ewild on Dec 15, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I should have entitled this Will or Should the Twins still be....

I still hate the Twins more too…for now. I can easily see this shifting pretty quickly though if the Sox maul us this year and the Twins finish in third place. I have a fair amount of hated for the Sox also as they’ve absolutely owned us a few times. It wouldn’t take much for me to start hating them more than the Twins.

by BayesLaw on Dec 12, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

twins and whitesox

I think the Tigers fans I talk with and post with have a stronger dislike and hate for whitesox fans, the park, players, and the ####head announcer harrelson, but would like nothing better than to beat the twins 20 to 1 every game the Tigers play them.

by KalineCountry on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

The Twins

sneak up on us every year. Like BayesLaw said above, I keep thinking, ‘this is the year that the Twins are going to stumble due to lack of big name talent,’ but they just keep it up every year. I think the White Sox have more talent than Minnesota, and believe they’ll be the better team this year, but if we’ve painfully learned one thing being Tigers fans, it’s to never count the Twins out.

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by BrianCMU. on Dec 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

always.

white sox can go suck a fat one.
Royals = lol
Cleveland could just disappear and no one (not even cleveland fans) would care.
Twins can die.

by madpoopz on Dec 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

In Cleveland's defence...

…their two buildings are pretty. The Jake’s nice, too.

That being said, I really do want to make a road-trip to Twinkietown this summer to see that new park they’ve got over there. I’d go to KC too, but (a.) it’s too far, and (b.) it’s too hot.

by frisbeepilot on Dec 12, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Kauffman stadium

Is a REALLY nice stadium. I’ve been to about 10 parks and Kauffman ranks up toward the top of the list for me.

by Let's do this! on Dec 12, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

1987 - the year the Twins became a hated baseball team.

Everything else they’ve done has just been toppings on the hate cake.

Alex English was pretty coo'.

by 13194013 on Dec 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

It's as simple as this

the White Sox ALWAYS underperform, while the Twins ALWAYS overperform. That’s why the Twins remain public enemy #1.

by Trysdor on Dec 12, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

So True

So Sad

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Dec 14, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong.

There was a time this was true but since 2005 the White Sox have actually performed better than the twins from pre-season predicted wins.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate whoever we play

I don’t want to lose to anybody so which ever team we play on that day i hate them.If we played the Girl Scout soft ball team i would hate them.I want the Tigers to go 162-0 and show no mercy to anyone especially the Twins.

by swish330 on Dec 12, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

especially the Twins

There’s your answer.

by Rob Rogacki on Dec 12, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I must be completely alone on this,

but I actually kind of like the Twins [gasp!]. In fact, if I wasn’t a Tigers fan, I would probably be a Twins fan. This affection is probably the combination of a few factors (all of which are totally irrational):

1) They always seem to do the most with the least, and I respect that.
2) I have Twin-fan relatives in MN
3) Their uniforms are really sharp!

On the other hand, I hate the White Sox with every fiber of my being, for similarly irrational reasons:

1) Other than Game 163, the most soul-crushing Tigers losses I can remember came at the hands of the Sux.
2) Twins fans are nice, White Sox fans are obnoxious as hell (not as bad as Yankee fans though).
3) AJ Pierzynski’s douchiness, stupid face, and ridiculous facial hair. I hate him more than anyone else in baseball.

by Dberg on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

AJ is a boil on the ass that is the Chicago White Sox....

he just seems like a total prick. I think we can all agree on that. I know we don’t really “know” athletes and perhaps he’s a total gentleman, but I feel pretty confident that I wouldn’t like him if I did know him personally.

On top of that, the bleached blond hair on a man never really was in fashion to a great extent…yet he still rolls out there all peroxided-up 15 years after it was semi-acceptable.

by BayesLaw on Dec 12, 2010 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

How do you know you wouldn't like AJ?

He has a radio show here in Chicago and actually comes across very nice. He’s an avid sports fan (florida football, wrestling, golf) and I have heard nothing but good things who have seen him in public. Competition is different.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Every team's fans likes their own assholes and hates other team's assholes

sports in a nutshell.

The answer is of course, he’s like a catcher version of A-Rod with the stuff he tries to get away with.

by Kurt Mensching on Dec 14, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, as a fan you don't really know athletes,

I’m simply going by what I see on the field. He’s cantankerous, talks a lot of smack, and isn’t afraid to engage in dirty play.

I will say though, if I have to pigeon hole somebody based on either the impression I get from a scripted and polished radio show or the visceral reactions I see on the baseball diamond, I’ll choose the latter. That’s seems a more genuine representation of the individual.

by BayesLaw on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

In high school (when I was still in shape), I was purposely an ass on the athletic field, mostly to get under the skin of the other team. Off the field I’d like to think I’m a calm, mild-mannered kind of guy.

While there’s a world of difference between high school sports and any professional organization, it’s possible that Pierzynski acts like a douche simply to get his opponents riled up, and judging by the reaction of one Mr. Barrett, it works. Not to start a huge debate, but lots of people thought Tiger Woods was an alright guy before his wife Ike’d him with a 9 iron last Thanksgiving.

by Rob Rogacki on Dec 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think football players are especially notorious for being asses on the field.

and while baseball seems to be pretty mild mannered, my dad (who used to catch in HS) would tell me about things he used to do to get under a batters skin. It could just be a tactic, but he could also just be a douche.

by madpoopz on Dec 15, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

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