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Mechanics: How to get that strikeout without being Justin Verlander.

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It was pointed out to me that the Tigers are not a defensively gifted team.  Yes, Jhonny Peralta has good hands, but so did Edgar Renteria.  Problem for both of them is that they have no range so their defensive ability is a little bit deceptive.  This goes well with the post because we are about to get a lesson in deception that works positively for us on the defensive end.  More specifically we're gonna use Rick Porcello as the man we are going to suggest too because well, this team isn't set up for him to be greatly successful in the coming season.

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I say this a lot but mechanics are funny because they are incredibly individualized and tend to make every word I type more idealogical than anything.  But I've found over my studies that "ground ball" pitchers tend to lend themselves more to my ideal ways more than anyone else, especially if they aren't incredibly physically gifted in any way.  And I say this because good mechanics help create deception.

Now I found this video of Rick pitching.  It's essentially the only video I could find and it's of a BP, so for mechanics purposes it does me little good.  But the camera angle is similar to what a batter might see which does us good.

Rick Porcello bullpen (2/26/09) (via 321Baseball)

Now heres what I see in the video:  There are places where Rick fully exposes the baseball to the batter before the arm is cocked.  To understand why this is bad, one must grasp some basic concepts of hitting mechanics.

 

  1. The front foot of the batter.  It steps forward for a reason.  One is to generate momentum.  Another is to set up hip rotation.  And a third (less obvious reason) is to help set up timing.  It's actually the last major step in developing good timing
  2. Those batters have goofy movements in their stance for a reason.  And that reason is TIMING.  When dealing with heaters coming at 90+ mph, timing is probably much more important in batting than it is in pitching.  If it takes some weird flick of the bat or twitch of the leg to help get that timing than yeah, those guys are gonna do it.
  3. And what does all this have to do with exposing that baseball?  Every extra moment that a Major League hitter can see the ball gives him a point of reference to develop his timing.  And for really good hitters, it's extra opportunities to pick up on the type of pitch too.  This to me is a big reason why it is important for your lead off hitter to see as many pitches as possible.  It gives your big guns in the lineup time to develop a rhythm while sitting down.

 

So we come back to Rick now and talk about what can be done to A) fix his known issue or B) create deception in other area's.  So below are the fixes and or possible changes.

 

  1. Alter body position in regards to batter to hide the ball better behind the body.  This has lots of problems. Namely it would take some getting used to for Rick and it may not help hide the ball from batter on both sides of the plate.
  2. Adjust the throwing arms actions before the arm is in the "cocked" postion.  There a lot of "if it aint broke, don't fix it" mentality with mechanics and rightfully so because of the individualism associated with it.  His big problem comes around where he practices "scapular loading" (the point where his shoulder blades come together).  Around this point the ball becomes fully exposed.  Now the fixes are to A) adjust how the whole arm acts (the fully corrective fix but probably mechanically damaging fix) or B) turn the hand with the ball toward 2nd base (probably the best fix in this scenario).  I say this for two reasons:  I don't think scapular loading is necessary to pitching well and is actually more destructive (ex// Joel Zumaya) and turning the hand around actually promotes proper arm rotation prior to cocking.  However for Rick I'm gonna say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  His strikeouts aren't broken yet, they just need to be improved.
  3. Alter the time it takes to get through the entire delivery--from leg kick to release.  I hate this option the most and I hate it because I think it's one of Armando Galarraga's biggest problems.  It's an asset to him when he doesn't allow it to disturb his own timing but too often it does which is sad because we've all seen what Mando can do.
  4. Well heres the obvious and most likely to occur scenario--develop a really good strikeout pitch.  If you don't know what I mean than go watch a sport for stupid people.  Since Rick is young, developing a pitch he already has or adding to his repetoire.

I'm guessing that the Tigers or at least the Tigers pitching coaches realize this and have already started with Rick (probably began last offseason) but it was fun to write about none the less.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.

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Ugh

How screwed is Kid Rick next year?

I’d say you’re right that the solution needs to come with the strikeout pitch: the other options suck and could possibly have rough endings.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 14, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

just hope that strikeout pitch becomes a reality

not something we hear about every spring like the mythical Bonderman change-up

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by rock n rye on Dec 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There will be no shortage of warm n fuzzy stories next spring.

The Detroit media is particularly adept at pushing those feel good pieces. You can pretty much predict what they’ll be. Zoomer has never been healthier; Coke is all stretched out and they’re expecting great things from him in the rotation; Porcello is having his best spring ever; Avila has worked on his swing and expects to be killing the ball; Peralta has lost weight and doubled his range; Boesch will never strike out again; and Leyland is giving up smoking.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 14, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Porcello will be just fine

Porcello has a lot of talent and while most pitchers his age are still in single A or AA he has already pitched for 2yrs in MLB.Porcello is a big strong kid who seems to be pretty intelligent.Im not to worried about him he will make adjustments as he continues to learn on the job.He strikes me as some one who doesn’t want to lose and i can think of anouther guy who wasn’t overpowering but was a great pitcher Greg Maddox.

by swish330 on Dec 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, hate to disagree with ya swish,

but he relies so heavily on the defense without a SO pitch that for at least a couple of years he is in trouble here with our infield. I don’t doubt that he can develop one, but it goes with what you said about his age, right now he should have had 2 more years in the minors to develop it.

And there is no other Greg Maddux. Period. He could strike people out without a SO pitch because he had like 12 (not literally) pitches he could throw at any time, any count, and exactly where he wanted. Don’t compare Kid Rick to Maddux, it’s not fair to the Kid.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to disagree with you...

and agree with swish because Porcello has added to his repetoire of pitches. I have confidence that he’ll be able to either develop one of his pitches or add another.

by madpoopz on Dec 15, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Long term, yes.

I was pointing to the next year or two as a sinkerballer. I think he will be fine overall, and I see no reason he can’t develop a SO pitch or add another pitch either.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 15, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You maybe right

I just meant that i think he is smart enough to figure out what he needs to do to keep getting better.I was just comparing him to Maddux’s because he was not overpowering and yet he was one of the best pitchers ever.If Rick can be a 500 pitcher this year i’ll take that at his age,but i think he might just suprise us all.

by swish330 on Dec 15, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have Santiago at SS when Porcello is on the mound

100% of the time. And I think he will develop a strikeout pitch.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 16, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Inge and Rhymes take some of the fielding pressure off of Peralta.

If worse comes to worse, Danny Worth, as he improves his hitting, will get more playing time. This analysis means it will be more difficult for Sizemore to beat out Rhymes. As for Porcello, we won’t know till we see him pitching. One thing for sure, the potential is there throughout the lineup and Toledo/Erie. It only takes “promotion that is earned at a lower level.”

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 14, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Love the camera shot

I wish the Ump would wear a camera or some other way to give fans a better view.

by Barry2 on Dec 14, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Great Read.

Rick is still young and has much to learn. He should go back to being more of a power pitcher, like he was in HS. As far as a strikeout pitch, I’d like to see him throw a slider similar to the one Bondo had a few years back. Something that bites to go along with his sinker. Even a hard split finger in ‘sinker counts’ similar to Jimenez or Lincecum. He’s got tons of potential and a real live arm. I’m not sure why the Tigers decided to make him a sinker baller. He’s too good for that. Let’s hope he ‘comes out of his shell’ next season and starts throwing like he’s capable of. I’ve heard he hit high 90’s in high school. I’d like to see that.

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by Brand New Hero on Dec 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Poopz, don't take this the wrong way.

I’m curious about your background. Are you a coach or something?

by BayesLaw on Dec 14, 2010 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a 21 year old deli worker in a supermarket. :)

I started studying mechanics last offseason to pass the time (the internet is AMAZING). It’s just a particular area of interest to me because I love science and this incorporates so much from the anatomical (injuries) to the psychological (deception). It’s just really interesting.

I have a blog that is currently inactive (life just isn’t giving me as much time) but the address http://www.strikethreemechanics.wordpress.com. It’s just a place where basically you learn as I learn. I explain terminology there (kinetic chains, loading rate) and do pitcher analysis using video and pitchf/x charts. I’m hoping to get blogging again as soon as I get my personal life all situated and pointed in the right direction, but until I plan on keeping up with contributions here at Bless You Boys because I do love me some Tigers baseball.

But the truth is I have no pitching experience whatsoever. I played 3rd/OF in little league, but back then I didn’t even know what a force out was lol.

I enjoy commentary on my posts most of, especially when someone challenges my opinion. It forces me to research and learn some more. So if you ever have and questions or comments on anything I write, ask away!

by madpoopz on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, you can go ahead and take this the wrong way....

You learned about analyzing pitching and hitting mechanics on the web? 21 years old? Perhaps you know what you’re talking about, perhaps you don’t, but before I take what you say seriously I would need some independent corroboration. I don’t know enough about mechanics to challenge you on any of this, but if it’s as easy as a 21 year-old deli worker fixing a professional baseball player’s issues with strikeouts then Rick Knapp is really overpaid.

It’s cool you have an interest and I don’t want to discourage you from learning, you certainly sound like you’ve done a lot of homework. I found the article interesting, but I see a real problem with credibility when someone without a resume writes a technical piece like this.

by BayesLaw on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't deny that I don't have much credibility...

and that’s the reason in the “about” section of my blog I state that it is a blog that follows me as I learn.

I do have to take some offense from you saying that you can’t take what I say seriously. I put time and effort into these posts and I think I deserve some seriousness. My research only partly comes from the internet. It comes from going to ball games and watching the pitches. It’s from comparing videos of success to videos of failure. It’s from slowing a video down to practically stills. The internet gives me idea’s but I assure you that I put in the effort to physically see for myself what does and does not work.

And while I can do many things using things I find on the internet, Rick Knapp is not overpaid because he has a skill set that allows him to get highly talented competitors to accept what he has learned to be right. That is a skill set that allows him to be a coach.

by madpoopz on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you might take offense

but I that wasn’t my intent. I don’t doubt that you’ve put in a lot of work. However, let me offer this analogy. I am really interested in medicine and human biology. I study web MD all day every day for months, even read the New England Journal of Medicine in my spare time.

Would you come to me for a diagnosis? Trust your children in my care? Not likely. There is a fundamental problem with information, particularly with highly asymmetric information. Situations like doctor visits, car mechanics, and technical discussions of pitching mechanics all involve discourse between one very knowledgeable party and one party that knows very little of the ideas presented. In order for the party with little information to trust the party with lots of information, there has to be some vetting agency, licensing, etc, or personal experience that builds trust.

Like I said, you very well could be spot on with your analysis….it’s just that I have no way to discern meaningful analysis from garbage.

by BayesLaw on Dec 15, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

that’s why it’s a fanpost (see the disclaimer SB Nation puts at the bottom of it? “This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.”) that we moved to the front page for discussion. it contains thoughtful analysis and ideas – but nobody’s taking it as gospel. this is a blog, and while it is a trusted source it is not an official source for information; though the many, many people that visit here regularly must think we’re doing something right!

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by allikazoo on Dec 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think your taking this a bit seriously.

to call into question the credibility of someone on a blog is a bit much. I’ve never claimed to be an expert and I probably never will.

by madpoopz on Dec 15, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

I shouldn’t comment on posts while drinking, got a little too frisky last night. Sorry Poopz, keep up the good research.

I think everyone on here is pretty knowledgeable and I’m just happy there are people as freakishly obsessed with the Tigers as I am. I like this blog quite a bit…I think you guys are doing a lot right!

by BayesLaw on Dec 15, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it...

if you are looking for a more qualified individual for some information from then heres a good read for ya…http://www.baseball-almanac.com/bookdr1.shtml

by madpoopz on Dec 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you do a great job poopz,

I learn a lot and am greatful for your posts. For a 21 year-old deli worker, you have really got a great understanding for mechanics.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 15, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

This might sound weird...

…but this video made me think of Jack Morris. Let me explain.

When I was young and figuring out what baseball was all about, I would go in the back yard and play catch with my brother, emulating my favourite pitchers’ windups. (I wasn’t as good as Batting Stance Guy, but I think I got the general gist of, say, the difference between Morris and Frank Tanana, for example.)

Even at about 10 or 11, I found that if I emulated Morris — tons and tons of arm, torso and body movement before release — I could throw harder and more consistently. (Yeah, I was pretty analytical.) Jack Morris may have been a freak of nature, rarely going on the Dl, but I can’t help but think that his motion was part of this overall health — and his wasn’t too atypical of the time.

These days, with the excepton of Tim Lincecum and maybe a couple of others (D-Train excluded due to overwhelming weirdness), windups are extremely compact; Cliff Lee comes to mind. From a biomechanical standpoint, you’re trying to go from zero movement to nearly 100 mph with, as far as I can tell, very little prior movement before the “big finish” in comparison to Morris.

Now, I’m no kinesiologist, but this to me seems like a recipe for disaster. Plus, with pitch speeds higher than ever these days, and the requisite higher forces/torques that have to be developed… yeah, Tommy John surgeries are gonna be given out so often, you’d think Dr. James Andrews morphed into Oprah: You get a Tommy John!… You get a Tommy John!…

by frisbeepilot on Dec 14, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

You have good points.

theres more emphasis on high heat than location these days and I am of the belief that it is nearly impossible to pitch at nearly 100mph with out doing something wrong. Now I’m not saying that there aren’t guys who aren’t naturally gifted with arms that can handle the extra stress, but little injuries can cause guys to compensate on there arms beyond what even they are capable of. Loading rate is an extreme issue that I see. Guys get to the “cocked” position way to quick and don’t practice a proper arm swing because they feel that scapular loading will give them an extra mph or 2.

It’s important to remember that most of the velocity on the ball comes from the legs and hips. Not the arms. So the better your hip rotation and stride, the better your velocity. Your focus with your arm should be getting into the proper arm slot and release with a timing that doesn’t get your arm ahead of your body. Those two points are my main ones to pitching properly—arm slot and timing. Do that and you should be hitting the strike zone with consistency. From there you can worry about pitch movement and velocity.

by madpoopz on Dec 14, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You have some too.

little injuries can cause guys to compensate
Oh, how true this is.

they feel that scapular loading will give them an extra mph or 2
If I was a minor-league pitching coach, you’d better believe I’d try to break this habit in my pitchers.

most of the velocity on the ball comes from the legs and hips
Clemens and Ryan come to mind — but again, with Morris, he had a big ol’ set o’ glutes, and it truly looked like he got his whole body into every pitch. Drop and drive, baby.

I’ve coached a high school baseball team a couple of times, and I’ve found the thing that makes the most immediate difference for a pitcher is to tell them to get their eyes on the target sooner. Some of them only look at the very last second (which I can tell if I’m catching them.) So, I’ll pop up out of my crouch, go over to them and suggest this, and when they hit the target with nine of the next ten pitches, you should see the look on their face… it’s like they can’t believe they could ever be that accurate. (Don’t tell this to Fernando Valenzuela, of course.)

by frisbeepilot on Dec 14, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

eyes are a big issue...

and it’s like shooting a gun. Verify your target before pulling the trigger. Why fire if your not looking?

by madpoopz on Dec 14, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

At work tomorrow, I’m going to have to watch videos of Jack Morris and watch this video again. That’s a very interesting comparison.

by Let's do this! on Dec 14, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

"Problem for both of them is that they have no range so their defensive ability....".

No range? What they really have is below average range for a Shortstop. Peralta is capable of fielding balls to either his right or left and making routine plays. I just don’t expect him to make any difficult plays.

I think Porcello needs to throw more strikes. The key to being a great finesse pitcher is to work all 4 corners of the strike zone, to change the eye level of the ball, and to walk fewer batters. It he uses the upper parts of strike zone, he’ll get more fly outs. Finesse pitchers will inherently give up more hits than power pitchers, so it’s vital to them not to walk many batters. He needs to be more like a Carl Pavano.

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by linuxit on Dec 15, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

this is a point I failed to get at...

because if his location significantly improves, his deception increases dramatically. Plus if you prove to be able to hit the strike zone consistently, umps are going to give you more calls. Plus the added ability to get the pop up helps a lot.

Problem with this (as I see it) is that location counts on incredible consistency in arm slot and release. That takes awhile to develop. It’s a skill that he can learn and will be invaluable especially later on in his career, but as a solution to the problems that are at hand now, either adding a cutter (that someone mentioned) or further developing a slider. This is the best solution for now. But I agree with you in the long term, being able to paint the strike zone will allow Rick to have a very nice career.

by madpoopz on Dec 16, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

One other point

One other point about pitching that is over looked is the ability to change speeds.If you watch some of the best pitchers from the past it was there ability to keep changing not only the location of the pitch but the speed.This keeps the hitter of balance and tends to lead to more strikeouts.

by swish330 on Dec 16, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

madpoopz

AWESOME! SIMPLY AWESOME (as usual)
thanks!

by JAYRC on Dec 15, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

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