Should the Tigers pursue Zack Greinke?

From what I’ve seen, Turner looks like the real deal. I think he’ll be as good or possibly better than Grienke in the not so distant future

If the price is Turner, Wells and Worth….I’d do it….Turner looks very promising so it would be a tough pill to swallow but I think Grienke is worth the risk…

if they would take any combination of Oliver, Furbush, or Crosby along with Sizemore and Boesch or Wells I’d be more than happy to do it. I don’t think there is anyway they’d bite on that thought. I just am not really sold on Greinke being a true ace. He had a ridiculous season in 2009, but came back to earth a little last year. He’s been a headcase in the past, and didn’t really develop until late. a little bit too much of a gamble for me to give up Turner for.

If there’s a GM that would trade a Cy Young caliber pitcher for Worth, Oliver, and Wells; its Dayton Moore

I would give them Garalaga, Worth and possibly thomas for Greinke. To my recollection,
there are no top tier FA starting pitchers available for next years class of 2011. So, not paying these 3 players, and about $23 million coming off the books for Carols/Maggs we can also afford it. One more dependable starter would be awesome. I agree giving up Turner is too much.

He’ll cost far too much. I saw Washington offered Espinosa, Storen and Zimmerman (the pitcher), all very good, top prospects, and KC said they still hadn’t offered enough. Obviously KC is over-valuing Greinke, and I guess they have every right too, as moving him will bring them the pieces they hope to build their team around moving forward. I’d rather target a guy like Garza who will come will a less-severe price tag. At this point, I wouldn’t move Turner or Oliver, and just look to sign a Brad Penny or a Pavano

I’d rather see us not go for Greinke. IF we were to move Oliver and Turner to the same team, I’d much rather see Felix Hernandez.

and I don’t think their asking price is going to come down enough for it to be worth it.

I said this in a fan post but I think dealing Jackson in a deal for greinke makes sense. From all his minor league numbers and even his stats this year I don’t think he can sustain success. I really think his value has peaked. Throw in Oliver galarraga and worth and I think a deal could be made

Do you mortgage the future to win now, or do you build a bit slower and remain competitive for more than a season or two? I’d prefer to think of this organization as more like the Indians of December 1993 than the Marlins of December 2002.

That being said, I agree with you regarding the prospect of a Verlander, Greinke, Porcello, Scherzer rotation. It might not rank up there with the Phillies’ rotation, but it would be damned impressive!

I don’t think KC would, or should, trade Greinke without getting a Turner-esque prospect. I’d be willing to give Oliver and just about anyone else they want for him though.

The thing to remember is this. He’s not “cheap” and will make about 13.5M per year for 2011 and 2012. After that, if he pitches well, he’ll hit the free agent market for 20M+ per year (or he’ll might give an extension “break” and sign something like a 5yr/85M extension). Either way, a trade for Greinke would cost us a ton of pospect value, a nice chunk of change for the next two years, and we probably wouldn’t have him in 2013 (since DD has said this organization can probably only support two 20M players).

That being said, our rotation would be outstanding for two years with JV, Greinke, Max, Porcello, and Coke/Galaragga. Even in 2013, if Greinke walks, hopefully Turner is still around and ready. I’d offer Oliver, Raburn, Sizemore/Rhymes, and whoever else they wanted, but it probably isn’t enough.

I recall a story at the beginning of , was it two years ago(?) when they were talking in the oufiled before a game and Zack told Justin that he was throwing his four-seamer all the time. Verlander made the adjustment and has stuck with it ever since.

It just got me to thinking that Greinke might be more open to a trade to detroit than another location. Not that it is his decision to make however.

At the risk of following the flavor of the minute, take a look at the SF Giants and what got them to the WS this year. They have 4 outstanding starters which makes up for any other flaws in their roster. The tigers have 2 outstanding starters in JV and Max, one solid #4 in KidRick, and then a bunch of questions. Regardless of how much hitting we get, we need at least a solid #3 or better to be added. Greinke fits the bill and Garza’s 2010 is nearly the same as Greinke’s (both have 1.25 WHIP, Garza has the better ERA, Garza gives up more HR and fewer K’s, but has the better VORP (30 vs. 20)).

I’d give up anyone and everyone not named Turner or Castellanos (outside a few on the current ML roster) for either Garza or Greinke. Trading prospects with future impact is worth getting a strong #2/3 to blend with the current roster for next year.

Wouldn’t mind Penny at all

Sign a few former Braves. Say they are gritty leaders. Tell GMDM they can block prospects too.

Moore looses his mind with eagerness and trades Greinke for the withering corpse of Andruw Jones and the ghost of Steve Avery.

I’d easily send them Turner, Perry, and any combination of Boesch, Worth, Sizemore, Rhymes they would want. Might even swap Oliver and Perry if it took it. We can only hope Turner turns into someone of Greinke’s caliber. However, I would only do this trade if he agreed to sign an extension. I mean, a starting rotation of Verlander, Greinke, Scherzer, Porcello, and Whoever would be nice, plus losing Perry wouldn’t be as bad, seeing we could slide Coke back to the pen…

I’d give up Oliver/Sizemore/Boesch/Villarreal for Greinke.
The problem is I’m guessing they would want both Oliver and Turner plus a handful of folks. I would guess that their kings ransom increases IF he is traded in the AL Central.
Tough call but who wouldn’t want Greinke?
Imagine: Verlander/Greinke/Scherzer/Coke/Porcello next season!

1. We need a pitcher, but we don’t want to settle for a #4 or #5 guy
2. Our pitching was terrible last year, so we really need a #1 or a #2
3. But we don’t want to pay for any free agents who are a #1 or #2 (i.e., Lee)
4. Which means we have to trade for a #1 or a #2
5. But we don’t want to trade any of our top prospects to get a #1 or #2

How do you expect to acquire a young, top flight starting pitcher without giving up dollars to a free agent or very good prospects to another team?

Stick Turner and Oliver on a plane with an OF prospect and an IF prospect and another scrub of their choice and make the damn trade.

Obviously, we need to stick Turner into the Way-Forward Machine and enjoy our 25 year old stud.

If it’s Porcello and Turner, I’d pass. But either one of them, or Oliver, and maybe a Sizemore, I’d do it. I hate to trade young pitching talent, but let’s not forget that, if Greinke were to leave after two years, the Tigers would almost surely get two very high draft picks for him to replace the lost prospects, and they’d have a helluva rotation in the mean time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Zack-Greinke-asks-Kansas-City-Royals-for-trade-fires-agent-121710

From JP Morosi at Fox Sports

Greinke fired his agent on Friday, the clearest indication yet of the ace right-hander’s desire to be sent to another club.

After Greinke switched representation from SFX Baseball to CAA, a high-ranking executive from another team told FOXSports.com, "He really wants out of K.C." Separate major-league sources confirmed that Greinke has unequivocally asked the Royals to be traded.

His new agent is Jeter’s agent. Gotta be a smart guy to swindle the Cash man out of $ 50 million for a shortstop that hits worse than Johnny Damon and waives balls through the infield.

does anyone know if Det is on his NTC?

And that makes me VERY uncomfortable.

HERE’S THE LINK to that horse $h!+ comment!

Grienke will be expensive to obtain and to keep. He is a great pitcher but he will only help get us to the playoffs. His anxiety disorder would be a complete disaster during the intense pressure of the playoffs. We need 3 top-flight pitchers to win a championship. You had better believe that is what Mr. I wants before he gets too much older. We should pursue a top-flight pitcher that is a better value and that thrives on pressure. I propose Wandy Rodgriguez or Matt Garza.

I bet Wandy would come waaaaaay cheaper than Greinke (which means we might still need to put Oliver on the table, but not Turner. He also might be had for Wilk/Furbush/Villareal instead with the right players added in). Wandy would be a solid #3 this season, would cost about 7M, and he’s left handed (for those where it matters).

Wandy is a free agent after 2011. We could offer arb and let him walk. He’d be at least a type B, probably a type A. Then, we still have Turner, maybe Oliver, and a couple of other strong SP prospects in the system to vie for a 2012 spot.

The more I type, the more I like the idea.

I think I would pursue this if Andy Oliver was the key to the trade. His first stint in the major leagues was not too impressive (I know you can’t base what his career could be on that); however, Jacob Turner looked really, really impressive when I saw him pitch in Spring Training last year. If we can somehow keep Jacob Turner, I’d much rather pursue Greinke that way.

We have JV and we have Max, we have few prospects worth a whole lot in the minors to anyone not named Grosberg, and we do not have an unlimited budget. Right now, I guess I see Grienke as more of a luxury than a need. We need another starter (preferably two), but we are not in need of an ace, we have one in JV. When I said to try a couple of flyers, I meant to at least resemble a plan “B”. We all know the rotation needs upgraded, even DD probably gets it. If we are going to trade to upgrade, and given what’s out there in FA we would have to, we can’t, as rc said, shut down Toledo and Erie to do so. There are other teams out there that are looking to dump real starting pitchers because they are getting too expensive, too. It would take less in prospects because they are salary dumps. We’ve been reading about them for a while. Guys like Blanton, Shields, Wandy Rodriguez, Nolasco and probably more we don’t know. Guys that it would take a combo of a couple of guys we have in the minors to get that are cost controlled for a while. Our minors have mid-level prospects all over, which is usually what it takes to get salary dump guys. We need a couple of guys that will go deep into games to keep us from overusing the pen. We shouldn’t blow the wad on one guy.

Career FIP: 4.17
2010 FIP: 4.42

Career K/9: 7.10
2010 K/9: 6.60

Team’s 2007-2010 Defensive Ranking by UZR: Third

He’s not bad, but is he a guy who you’d give up a top ten prospect for. Who is he? How would you expect him to do in Detroit?

Career FIP: 4.54
2010 FIP: 3.92

Career K/9: 6.53
2010 K/9 7.86:

Defensive ranking of his teams: 25th

He’s not going to cost you a top 10 prospect, and he’s gotten better each of his last two seasons. Is he really a guy you just cross off your list automatically?

If Greinke could be had for Turner or Oliver..Which one do you move???

sometimes the best trades are the ones your DON’T make

Greinke is headed to the Brewers

but for now, that’s all they are, rumors

gave up quite a bit to get him
Alcides Escobar
Jake Odorizzi
Lorenzo Cain
Jeremy Jeffress

are going to be terrifying in 2013

there’s a new thread talking about this move, right?