Rest of the AL Central - how do we matchup?
So frequently we are on here debating who the Tigers need to sign or trade for to become top dogs again. We've heard the names we should get (Greinke, Garza) and we've heard the names to keep (Turner, Oliver... and any minor leaguer according to StephenGrosberg -- just kidding). Constantly discussing this has made me wonder -- how would we compare up to the other teams in the AL Central based on moves made so far this offseason. After looking it up and comparing what we've done compared to others I have to be honest, I'm liking our chances more and more
So what I've done is gone through and for the other four teams in our division I've made a spreadsheet listing notable players acquired, lost and re-signed this offseason. I've then created a list of what the starting 9 (in no particular order), rotation and bullpen currently looks like. This does not include all 40 players on the 40-man roster and will have some holes. This is just something we can take a look and get a better idea. If I have not listed contract details, it's because they have a minor league contract. And please, if you see any discrepancies or see someone that was left off, let me know.
Let's start off with the defending AL Central champs, the Minnesota Twins.
| Notable players lost | Notable players received | Notable players re-signed | |||||||||
| Jesse Crain | FA (CHI 3yr/$13MM) | Phil Dumatrait | FA | ||||||||
| Brian Fuentes | FA | Jim Hoey | Trade (BAL) | ||||||||
| Matt Guerrier | FA (LAD 3yr/$12MM) | Brett Jacobson | Trade (BAL) | ||||||||
| Carl Pavano | FA | Tsuyoshi Nishioka | FA (3yr/$9MM) | ||||||||
| Jim Thome | FA | ||||||||||
| Jon Rauch | FA | ||||||||||
| Nick Punto | FA | ||||||||||
| Ron Mahay | FA | ||||||||||
| Orlando Hudson | FA (SD 2yr/$11.5MM) | ||||||||||
| Randy Flores | FA | ||||||||||
| J. J. Hardy | Trade (BAL) | ||||||||||
| Brandan Harris | Trade (BAL) | ||||||||||
| Current everday lineup | Current starting rotation | Current bullpen | |||||||||
| Delmon Young | Francisco Liriano | Matt Capps | |||||||||
| Denard Span | Scott Baker | Joe Nathan | |||||||||
| Michael Cuddyer | Brian Duensing | Jose Mijares | |||||||||
| Danny Valencia | Nick Blackburn | Alex Burnett | |||||||||
| Tsuyoshi Nishioka | Kevin Slowey | Jeff Manship | |||||||||
| Alexi Casilla | Pat Neshek | ||||||||||
| Justin Morneau | Anthony Slama | ||||||||||
| Jason Kubel | Scott Diamond | ||||||||||
| Joe Mauer | Eric Hacker | ||||||||||
| Brett Jacobson | |||||||||||
Ahh, look at all those free agents possibly gone creating possible holes in this team. Who am I kidding, don't they manage to pull it out every time? As we can see, they have for sure lost 2 major components in their bullpen and their starting 2B and SS.
From what I've seen it's looking like more of that bullpen will be for sure gone as Fuentes, Rauch and Mahay are talking with multiple teams each. Thome is still out there and a possibility to go back as is Pavano.
Pavano seems to be the biggest name they will have lost if he does not sign again. He was excellent for them last year and will be missed. Other than that, the rotation is untouched. The bullpen will look much better if Nathan can come back and be the healthy Nathan before last year. If he does not, they will be in big trouble, I think. Hardy and Hudson will be replaced with Nishioka and Casilla. Don't know much about Nishioka but he cannot be worse than Hardy and I think Casilla is a minor down grade from Hudson. There have been rumors of Orlando Cabrera wanting to come back and he would be at least a minor upgrade to Casilla at second.
I would also be a little worried about Morneau. Him missing so much of the season last year thanks to concussion symptoms cannot be good. He will need to be there if the Twins want to make it further than they did last year.
Overall not much good has come for the Twinkies... yet. Still 3-4 months until Spring Training.
Next up, lets take a look at the evil Chicago White Sox.
| Notable players lost | Notable players received | Notable players re-signed | |||||||||
| J.J. Putz | FA (ARI 2yr/$10MM) | Kyle Cofield | Trade (ATL) | A.J. Pierzynski | 2yr/$8MM | ||||||
| Freddy Garcia | FA | Adam Dunn | FA (4yr/$56MM) | Paul Konerko | 3yr/$37.5MM | ||||||
| Manny Ramirez | FA | Jesse Crain | FA (3yr/$13MM) | ||||||||
| Mark Kotsay | FA | ||||||||||
| Andruw Jones | FA | ||||||||||
| Bobby Jenks | FA (BOS 2yr/$12MM) | ||||||||||
| Erick Threets | FA | ||||||||||
| Scott Linebrink | Trade (ATL) | ||||||||||
| Current everday lineup | Current starting rotation | Current bullpen | |||||||||
| Juan Pierre | Mark Buerhle | Matt Thorton | |||||||||
| Alex Rios | Gavin Floyd | Tony Pena | |||||||||
| Carlos Quentin | John Danks | Sergio Santos | |||||||||
| Brent Morel | Jake Peavy | Lucas Harrell | |||||||||
| Alexi Ramirez | Edwin Jackson | Gregory Infante | |||||||||
| Gordon Beckham | Chris Sale | Jesse Crain |
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| Paul Konerko | |||||||||||
| Adam Dunn | |||||||||||
| A.J. Pierzynski | |||||||||||
Aside from the Tigers, they definitely made the biggest offseason moves in the Central. Signing Adam Dunn was huge for them. Losing Manny Ramirez, Mark Kotsay and for the most part Andruw Jones is nothing now that they have Dunn in the DH spot. He is going to be quite the slugger batting behind Konerko, who has resigned with the team for another three years (how wonderful...). Offensively nothing else has really changed. Instead of Vizquel, Tehean and Viciedo commanding 3rd base, they have Brent Morel, whom I've never heard of.
The rotation remains the same. That can be a very good rotation as long as Peavy can stay healthy. They have a lot to sort out with their bullpen. Losing your setup man and closer will hurt although Crain and Thorton should be be able to fill in quite nicely. I'd be a little worried if I were a ChiSox fan.
There have been rumors of the White Sox shopping Carlos Quentin and Edwin Jackson for payroll purposes. Might not be an all bad thing for them. If they have faith in Chris Sale to take over as the No. 5 starter, I'm sure they could get some cheap bullpen options for Edwin Jackson. Quentin's terrible defense will make him a little more difficult to trade, I think.
Next up is the young and inexperienced Cleveland Indians.
| Notable players lost | Notable players received | Notable players re-signed | |||||||||
| Luke Carlin | FA | Anthony Reyes | FA | ||||||||
| Adam Everett | FA | ||||||||||
| Paul Philips | FA | ||||||||||
| Jack Hannahan | FA | ||||||||||
| Current everday lineup | Current starting rotation | Current bullpen | |||||||||
| Michael Brantley | Fausto Carmona | Chris Perez | |||||||||
| Grady Sizemore | Justin Masterson | Rafael Perez | |||||||||
| Shin-Soo Choo | Carlos Carrasco | Tony Sipp | |||||||||
| Jason Nix | Mitch Talbot | Frank Herrmann | |||||||||
| Asdrubal Cabrera | Josh Tomlin | Joe Smith | |||||||||
| Jason Donald | Jeanmar Gomez | Jensen Lewis | |||||||||
| Matt LaPorta | Aaron Laffery | ||||||||||
| Travis Hafner | Vinnie Pestano | ||||||||||
| Carlos Santana | |||||||||||
Not much to say here. If they stay healthy they have a decent shot at being a good offensive team. They have a young squad that has the talent to make a huge impact on a ball club (Santana, LaPorta, Choo, Brantley). Their big questions, and the key to them being successful, will be the health of Sizemore, Hafner and Santana. They will need all three of them to be healthy for the season to win a good amount of ball games.
Starting rotation is also very young and very unproven. Fausto is the ace of this team and could very well be traded in the not so distant future. There are teams inquiring on him, if the right deal comes along we all know the Indians will not hesitate to pull the trigger. See Victor Martinez, C.C. Sabathia and Cliff Lee. Like I said, not much to say about them.
Finally, lets get to the bottom dwelling Kansas City Royals.
| Notable players lost | Notable players received | Notable players re-signed | |||||||||
| David DeJesus | Trade (OAK) | Justin Marks | Trade (OAK) | ||||||||
| Josh Fields | FA | Vin Mazzaro | Trade (OAK) | ||||||||
| Brian Bannister | FA | Steven Shell | FA | ||||||||
| Bruce Chen | FA | Brett Carol | FA | ||||||||
| Philip Humbar | Waivers | Jeff Francoeur | FA (1yr/$2.5MM) | ||||||||
| Zack Greinke | Trade (MW) | Melky Cabrera | FA (1yr/$1.25MM | ||||||||
| Yuniesky Betancourt | Trade (MW) | Alcides Escboar | Trade (MW) | ||||||||
| Lorenzo Cain | Trade (MW) | ||||||||||
| Current everday lineup | Current starting rotation | Current bullpen | |||||||||
| Alex Gordon | Luke Hochevar | Joakim Soria | |||||||||
| Melky Cabrera/Lorenzo Cain | Kyle Davis | Dusty Hughes | |||||||||
| Jeff Francoeur | Vin Mazzaro | Blake Wood | |||||||||
| Mike Aviles | Sean O'Sullivan | Jesse Chavez | |||||||||
| Alcides Escobar | Gil Meche/Jake Odorizzi | Kanekoa Texeira | |||||||||
| Chris Getz | Greg Holland | ||||||||||
| Kila Ka'aihue | Robinson Tejada | ||||||||||
| Billy Butler | Jeremy Jeffress | ||||||||||
| Jason Kendall | Gil Meche/Jake Odorizzi | ||||||||||
Like the Indians, not much to really say. They signed Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francoeur, yay. They traded away the only other proven player on this team other than Billy Butler, David DeJesus, for a 2 rotation pitchers. Butler is still the only semi-scary hitter on this team and yet the Royals will constantly give us a run for our money.
Pitching. Greinke. I need to say nothing as I'm sure most to all comments (if there are any comments) will be why he needs to be a Tiger and how we will/can get him. Obviously no one in the rotation will be able to make up for the loss of Greinke, as not many pitchers in the league can. I think Mazzaro will at least ease the transition a tiny bit. They have Meche in the bullpen, but he can easily move over to the rotation when now that Greinke is has been traded. Outside of Soria, no one in the bullpen scares me.
EDIT: Just saw that Greinke has been traded to the Brewers. Suprises me. Definitely down grade to their rotation, no one in there scares me. They received a very nice shortstop in Alcidies Escboar. He can hit and field pretty good, it's a definite upgrade to Betancourt. They have also received Lorenzo Cain, who from what I hear/see is a very nice center fielder. He may or may not know Melky Cabrera out of CF to start the season. Also added two pitching prospects. Both I expect to make it to the major league roster almost immediately. Very suprising move.
So. Took a decent look at the teams we will see the most. We all know the deals the Tigers have made, how do you think we stack up against the competition? I'm thinking pretty good so far -- and that's without adding another pitcher.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.
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looks like Greinke is out of the AL
by Not a Gunslinger on Dec 19, 2010 3:07 AM EST reply actions
Not to pick nits,
But I definitely disagree with your assessment of Hardy. I’m not sure why the guy gets such a bum rap, but he put up better than a .700 OPS with excellent defense. According to fangraphs, that’s good for 2.4 WAR, which (just for comparison) is almost exactly the same as Jeter’s but in half the plate appearances.
Personally, I think they are worse off with Casilla and Nishioka than with Hardy and Hudson. Casilla’s not that good and Nishioka’s closest comps are Kaz Matsui and Akinori Iwamura.
Hardy is like Punto
Excellent defense, holes in the bat. Granted this in Japan, Nishioka has a slash line of .361/.427/.788 (OBP/SLG/OPS) and as a SS, that’s pretty good and everything I’ve seen says he’s a pretty good defender. I have never seen him so I have no idea. That’s where I’m coming from. I like J.J. Hardy, don’t read that the wrong way. I think he did very good things for the Twins while he was there.
I agree with you on the Casilla and Hudson, I’d MUCH rather have Hudson.
by Let's do this! on Dec 19, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Punto is the spawn of Satan
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by Detroitchik on Dec 19, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Satan claims no responsibility for Nick Punto.
Even Satan has his limits.
Alex English was pretty coo'.
by 13194013 on Dec 20, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great writeup, nice job
I’ve heard that Nishioka’s defense isn’t good enough to stick at SS in MLB, and while his stats look pretty nice on paper, Kaz Matsui’s were better in Japan. I probably wouldn’t read too far into his NPB numbers.
Overall I think their middle infield has definitely taken a hit, and they didn’t really get things back to fill other holes in their team (the relievers they got for Hardy aren’t very good). A full season of Danny Valencia will probably help if he can even keep up a fraction of his production in his limited time last year, but the lineup overall just isn’t that scary given how bad their starting pitching is likely to be (if Pavano isn’t back, obviously).
Every team in the Central has pretty glaring flaws, and the Tigers are right there at this point with the moves they’ve made this offseason. If they can get a quality lefty for the pen and possibly another starter to challenge for the 4th/5th spot, I think they’d be in excellent shape (and even better if they somehow got their hands on a #2/#3 type instead).
Doing my best to be positive :)
by ozymandius1024 on Dec 19, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed all the way
I looked at Nishioka’s numbers and think of how they would translate into the MLB. I think he will be an upgrade for them in terms of offensive ability, but a downgrade for defense. From the little bit I was able to find they were saying he was a good fielder so I figured he’d be an average one over here. I will definitely need to take another look at that.
That entire pitching staff is not what they were last year, but the Twins always manage to find a way to pull it all together which why I can’t bring myself to say they will drop. They could lose both Morneau and Mauer yet still find a way to win 85-90 games. But I do agree with you — the hitters they have don’t really scare me anymore because of that staff.
That was my main focus on this article. Yes we have Coke in the rotation and no our 4th/5th starters are not great, but the rest of the teams are not looking wonderful either. I think that if the season started tomorrow, we would have a good chance of taking the division if for nothing else we’ve plugged more of our holes than the others have.
by Let's do this! on Dec 19, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Very Interesting Observations
In your review of the Twins and Sox, it becomes glaringly apparent that we need another quality lefty in the pen. Our ticket to the playoffs is punched by winning the central. We cannot count on a wild card berth.
To win the division, we may not need another starter. To win in the playoffs we will probably need someone better than Porcello as a #3. If we just get a better #5 than Galarraga, we may win the division but may not make the series. Winning the division just ain’t enough.
Gorzelanny will help win the division but would probably be a non-factor in the playoffs. Who can we get who could help us win in the playoffs?
No question about it
You are absolutely right. Right now we are looking pretty good compared to other teams in our division and have a decent chance of taking it. After that, we can only hope our offense will carry us.
by Let's do this! on Dec 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Messrs. Verlander and Scherzer respectfully disagree
Our playoff rotation would consist of 3 starters, 4 at most. Verlander and Scherzer are as good of a 1-2 combo as any team not based in Philadelphia. While he struggled last year, Porcello showed no signs of fading under the bright lights during his rookie season. I would be more concerned with our defense than our rotation.
by Rob Rogacki on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
That is something I did not think about
You’re absolutely right. That is something that did not cross my mind.
by Let's do this! on Dec 21, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
To me it’s depth. You have to have healthy bodies in the rotation for 162 games to begin with.
The Twins may lack a dominant 1-2 punch, but they do have a whole heck of a lot of depth in the rotation. We need some of that here lest we become left behind.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 23, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
A note from an admitted 'evil' outsider
A) Nishioka projects out to be Ryan Theriot/Chone Figgens, offensively and will be the Twins 2b. They have certainly downgraded at short going from Hardy to Castilla.
B) The two biggest problems in Chicago last year were the DH and defense. Dunn and Morel plug 85% of those two holes. Crain/Thorton will at least stay healthier than Jenks/Putz and not having to watch Linebrink do anything will save lives. No one seems to remember that before a complete statistical abberation in the first half of ’10, Beckham was one of the best prospects in baseball (and hit fine until he got hit on the hand). None of the top three teams have taken a step back, the question is which has taken the biggest step forward.
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