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Surveying the Tiger Farm: Left Fielders

In a series devoted to looking at the Tigers' prospects at each position, this is the sixth installment. The first five covered the Tigers' infielders: catchersfirst basemensecond basementhird basemen and shortstops.

With the outfielders, I'm going to break them up into the three positions (with each player being grouped in the position he played most in 2010) for a couple of reasons. One is just to keep the size of the posts down. The other is because I think we learn a lot about what kind of prospect a player is by looking at which position they play in the outfield.

You expect left fielders to have glove problems and big bats. Center fielders can be reasonably expected to be good defenders and right fielders are kind of left fielders with better arms. It's important to keep in mind, especially with the Tigers' group of left fielders, there are exceptions.

Left fielders can also be center fielders who just happen to share a roster spot with a better center fielder. This is key for the following group because the Tigers just don't have many of the big boppers whose range is the size of a beach blanket. This isn't a strong group, but I have a feeling it has some local fan favorites.

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Toledo

Ryan Strieby, .245/.323/.400, 325 PA, 33 BB, 85 K; I'm listing him in this group, but I still don't consider Strieby a serious outfield prospect. I've never heard a good word about his defense out there. I think the Tigers just want to have options on what to do with him if he ever gets healthy again. That's his biggest concern right now. His wrist has been an issue for three seasons now, and at this point you have to wonder if it will ever be right. If it does, he's one of the Tigers' best hitting prospects with very real power and a bat that's been good enough to make the Tigers worry about how they can get him to the majors. 2011 Outlook: I think he'll be bouncing between left and first base for Toledo again. The bigger issue is going to be whether the wrist will let him rack up plate appearances.

Erie

Andy Dirks, .278/.342/.425, 434 PA, 35 BB, 59 K; Dirks used 2010 to show that he should be considered a legitimate option as a future big league fourth outfielder. After all, he can cover enough ground to hold his own in center field. He seems to complement that speed with pretty good instincts on the basepaths. His speed is further accentuated by his ability to make good contact and draw walks while hitting from the left side. He even showed more power in 2010 than he had previously, but that's probably the part of his game that will keep him in a reserve role. 2011 Outlook: I'd look for Dirks to be manning various positions in the Toledo outfield.

Deik Scram, .221/.331/.392, 309 PA, 38 BB, 84 K; After spending two full seasons in Erie and playing pretty well there, Scram finally got a shot in Toledo in late April of 2010. He fumbled the opportunity, though, hitting just .208/.319/.313. By June, he was back in Erie and spent the better part of a third season there. It wasn't a bad season, but there were no improvements from his 2009 and I think we've seen Scram's opportunity as a prospect get away from him. 2011 Outlook: If he's still in the system, whether he's in Toledo or Erie could come down to a numbers game again.

Lakeland

Brent Wyatt, .258/.367/.363, 446 PA, 53 BB, 75 K; Wyatt is an outfielder with some intriguing skills, but he's also going to be a 26-year-old who has less than 100 plate appearances above A-ball. With a career isolated power of just .100, power is not his thing but he draws walks, doesn't strikeout much and is a good baserunner. He's also versatile enough defensively that the only thing he's yet to do is set up behind the plate. To be honest, though, I think this all adds up more to a good guy to have on the roster than a future major leaguer. 2011 Outlook: I'd look for him to continue his role as a super-utility guy in Erie.

West Michigan

Michael Rockett, .235/.266/.369, 402 PA, 12 BB, 81 K; Everybody wants to see a guy with a name like Michael Rockett succeed, but 2010 looked to me like a season that pegged him as an organization guy. He played each of the three outfield positions, but just didn't hit well enough to stick at any of them. 2011 Outlook: I'm not certain he'll be back in 2011 but if he is it will either be as a reserve in Lakeland or a return to West Michigan.

Connecticut

Ryan Enos, .265/.323/.378, 266 PA, 21 BB, 42 K; Enos was a non-drafted free agent the Tigers plopped into the Connecticut outfield to help out. He wasn't spectacular in any facet of his game, but was pretty solid in most. His numbers don't look great but they're above average in the stingy NY-Penn and he made better production out of them by stealing 16 bases in 21 attempts. 2011 Outlook: He looks to me like the definition of an organization guy who's good to have around. I'd look for him to bounce around the system serving as a reserve as needed - anywhere from Connecticut to Lakeland.

GCL Tigers

Gilbert Gomez, .243/.274/.364, 116 PA, 4 BB, 39 K; I'm always hesitant to make definitive statements based on the numbers of players with limited track records. However, Gomez has the feel of another organization guy. He spent three seasons in the Venezuelan Summer League and was put in the GCL when he finally came stateside. He showed good power in his third season in the VSL but at just 165 pounds, I'd be surprised if that translated here. He's also been converted from a catcher to a first baseman to an outfielder. That tells me defense isn't going to punch his ticket either. 2011 Outlook: If he makes it past cuts, he'll probably spend the season filling a spot on one of the short season rosters.

Positional Outlook

To be a left field prospect, you really need to have a big bat. If you're familiar with the Tiger system, you know there is a shortage of players with that profile. That makes it less than surprising that the Tigers have a shortage of big league futures in left.

Of the players listed, I'd say Strieby and Dirks are the extent of players who I'd expect to take big league at bats. I'm already on record as saying I consider Strieby the Tigers' best first base prospect, so that really leaves this as a thin position. If you're going to be weak at one of the outfield positions, though, it is probably best if it's left field.

As I mentioned above, certain skills are required more at the other positions. So you'd prefer to have guys who can hit and still handle center or right. Let's hope the presence of those type of players explain an underwhelming showing in left for the Tigers. 

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As always great work Matt

It seems after all these articles so far there is not alot of postional talent in the Tigers farm system.Hopefully Strieby will stay healthy he has the potental to be a bomber with his bat.I also like Andy Dirks he could come on and be an everyday outfielder.

by swish330 on Dec 27, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Carefull, swish,

you are sounding a little like Grosberg.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 27, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It's simple.

Either ALL of the scouts from every organization that get paid to be scouts and ONLY be scouts are wrong about a good chunk of our prospects or Stephen is, and we know who we think has a better chance of being right. None of us hate Stephen, and we know he wants the same thing we all do, a winning organization and championships. There is NO HATE against Stephen, and I think he realizes this, otherwise he would go elsewhere. I like Stephen’s posts, and I read each one of them and give each one of them the same respect I give anyone else’s, and would hope everyone else does, too.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 28, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree NO HATE HERE

Im glad that Stephen makes his comments but that doesn’t make his coments right.And i’ll give credit he likes our minor league players more than anybody.And i don’t think anybody hates anyone else,we just all agree to disagree.

by swish330 on Dec 28, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Unrealistic expectations aren't too helpful in analysis.

Positive comments are useful but blind optimism, like eternal pessimism, is of limited use.

Alex English was pretty coo'.

by 13194013 on Dec 28, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Stephen brings absolutely no analysis

he sees these guys play, but all he does is call them “my guys” and disagree with where the tigers see their development. Stephen should really use his energy to share observations about their games in more detail.

As for “this hating blog,” well you keep showing up to comment and I don’t see people being abusive to you. So I think your comments are not accurate.

by Kurt Mensching on Dec 28, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The analysis is in the stats.

Every Tiger I favor has great stats from Andy Dirks to Adam Wilk to Cole Nelson. Even Shawn Teufel and Matt Little have them. Matt, did you miss Jeff Rowland? Look at his stats. I rarely see them play, unfortunately. I rarely get a scouting report. I favor promoting based on stats, That’s why I love Adam Wilk even though he tops out at 87.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 28, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He tops out at 87

How many major leaguers top out at 87?

Seriously, scouting reports are a fundamental part of prospect evaluation.

Deputy Editor, Bless You Boys

Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Dec 29, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Tim Wakefield dreams of 87.

Of course, I think he also IS 87!

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta agree with Kurt

This place is a far cry from a “hating blog”.
I think we all value each others opinions and agree to disagree if we do not see eye to eye.
That being said rather than say the same thing in every comment i.e….
“Player A/Player B/Player B/Player C SPRING TRAINING vs Player D = championship. No need to sign FA. Start WILK! Sit Martinez!”
Provide some evidence beyond “IT’S IN THE STATS!” all caps of course! Give me some different comments, observations, talk about other things than prospects and kids that are fillers in Connecticut for crying out loud.
I respect minor league players and could talk about it all day. As many of you know I live near Lakeland and have had season tickets for six years. You gotta talk about more things tigers than Carithers and WILK and Strieby though. And it’s always about more than numbers at least to me anyways. That’s why I do my best, when I do talk about prospects that I’ve seen, to discus more than simple numbers. I think we all can log on to team website and repeat stats.
Just my 2 cents

by JAYRC on Dec 28, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It starts with stats.

I never said sit VMart. I would play him at catcher with the names I’ve mentioned at DH, wherever possible. Shouldn’t a player with great stats at GCL/Conn./West Mich./Lakeland be promoted a level or 2 to get to Erie as soon as possible, witness Cole Nelson? The Tigers should be praised for doing it last year. I look for future stars to move faster as they show promise. I TRY to identify promise instead of fillers at Toledo. When I comment on the conditioning program for Worth and Boesch this winter, it opens up the possibilities of 2 regulars with more playing time. Thanks to Hack Johnson, I finally learned that Strieby is OK for 2011 according to DD. Now I want to make sure they don’t overwork him to possibly injure his wrist again. This was the problem the last time. As for the criticism, I welcome it. I love to discover the unknown stars that hopefully will develop with playing time. I know the comments on Wilk are growing. I also hope that Strieby will be in the mix for the Tigers with Danny Worth. Just look at how Strieby when he was healthy. How many comments have we seen that considered Strieby for the Tigers on opening day? I only hope others will identify potential big time game changers for the Tigers. You all know by this time who my candidates are. If there weren’t DL’s last year, Raburn,Wells, Schlereth, Weinhardt, Boesch, Sizemore, Rhymes, and Worth wouldn’t have gotten a chance to impress. Hopefully Spring Training will tell us more if they play them and the other promising Minor Leaguers. Go Strieby as they help to keep you healthy. He’s a potential Boesch the first half of 2010. If Santiago goes DL, Worth/Sizemore/Douglas can fight it out based on stats. If any OF goes DL, Dirks is ready. Test them to make sure at Toledo, along with Adam Wilk. Tigers, don’t be afraid to make the big decision, which doesn’t include Kelly, in my book. I obviously repeat myself, until the Tigers see the light. At least they limited free agency and trades. Congrats on that. MOST others had Wish Lists.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of the experts think its a bad idea to push these young player too fast.

I have read quite a few minor league report who say the Tigers are moving their prospects too quickly up the minor league levels.Lots of them questioned Fields starting off at Lakeland.I think they would be better off taking the same approach the Red Wings do let them learn how to play in the Minors before bring them up.

by swish330 on Dec 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

I don’t favor starting at a high level, BUT I do favor promotion within the first year, based on stats like Nelson/Teufel/Little. Also included is Jeff Rowland. I once had a debate with Mark A. about Andy Dirks seeing Erie. I was right, but wrong on Peter and Wyatt. The Dirks move was far more beneficial for the Tigers. Now he’s first up in a DL. The players I propose to promote faster, based on stats, are NOT fillers. I try to think ahead, just like the stock market, from which I support my family. The Tigers are watching Turner closely enough to have a good idea of what to do. At least JL identified a minimum of 2 pitches. We all know he has more.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

"Too quickly" is very subjective

Generally speaking, when a player is promoted out of need, ready or not, that’s “too quickly”. Such was the case with Bonderman. Porcello, on the other hand, was aggressively promoted, but I’d find it hard to say that was “too quick” because he won 14 critical games and helped the team in a pennant drive, including a great performance in game 163.

I enjoy Stephen’s enthusiasm for our minor league prospects. Where I differ with Stephen is comparing minor league prospects with major league all stars. That’ just a non starter with me. The Tigers have opportunities for young players to step into major league roles in the outfield, infield, rotation, and bullpen this season if they’re ready. I would not force any more just to see what they’ve got.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 30, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

Dirks is pretty cool. He’s a dirtdog, a scrappy player. He’s fun.

God, I think I’m going to lose my SABR card.

Deputy Editor, Bless You Boys

Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Dec 28, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

"Scrappy"? You mean like....... Eckstein?

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 28, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Kurt.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 28, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you be nice poopz >:(

Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.

by Detroitchik on Dec 29, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

just remember

during dramatic climate change, the large animals all die off while the smaller ones live on. You are so screwed with the glacier melt.

by Kurt Mensching on Dec 29, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

because i am a measly 5ft 4in

Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.

by Detroitchik on Dec 29, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

5'8" FTW

I’m a survivor!

Deputy Editor, Bless You Boys

Free Scott Sizemore!

by David Tokarz on Dec 29, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Also look at the stats.

I actually met Dirks and liked his comment to my comment about him. I also liked Casper Wells’ comment on my comment to his changed stance. Hitters like Strieby and Bishop, both of whom I saw, are HITTERS. Their stats are very good too. You have to note that Bishop started poorly in both Lakeland and Erie. Without the slow start, the #’s were even better. Holaday is a back up catcher who I think will hit too to Fight for the spot. CWS showed it as well as his winning “Johnny Bench Catcher Of The Year.” Charley Furbush has it all. Play him at Toledo and ST. Villarreal is a little slower with his stats, but I see comments about his stuff. I hope the Tigers are smart enough to play Thad Weber at Toledo to see whether he has it along with L. J. Gagnier. Trying these players at Toledo is FAR more beneficial than fillers. Andy Dirks should be first up.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 28, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Another great post

on another dissapointing position. Strieby is a first baseman, and we should leave him there to gain value so maybe he can be a chip in a trade later.

As always, thanks for the info, Matt!

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 27, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

Keeping Streiby at 1B sounds good to me

I don’t think we’re fooling anyone by putting “OF” next to his name.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Dec 28, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not about fooling anyone, it's about finding a position where he might one day play in Detroit

At first base, that ain’t gonna happen any time soon.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 30, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, its not about fooling anyone.

It’s about rebuilding his value. First base is a little easier to play and he is more comfortable there. His value to the organization will either be at first or DH. We have those set for the next four years, therefore, try to increase his trade value by putting him in the best situation for him to succeed. I would love to see him as a Tiger, but he would be more valuable to us as a chip in a trade if he could get healthy.

I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!

by 77bestrookieclassever on Dec 31, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all about Raburn and Boesch in LF

Get a full season of production from those guys like we got from BB’s first half, or RR’s second half, and LF won’t be an issue for a long time.

But nice work as always, Matt.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 28, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Right, we have decent AAAA prospects

Raburn, Boesch, Wells, and Dirks should probably be enough to keep our OF competitive for years to come.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Dec 28, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREE!!!

All they have to do is play them. Strieby and Bishop will take care of the DH. Thome, we don’t need you.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

VMart is my catcher as much as possible with Ryan Strieby at DH on a limited basis.

Alex Avila will only improve, based on his patience at batting. Strieby can’t risk his wrist every day, or even close to it. The 3 players could take care of the 2 positions very well. Only trying them will tell, especially in Spring Training. With Danny Worth available for a DL, the Tigers have a great roster.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Scary

That’s what I think every time I read one of Matt’s postings. The Tigers farm system looks thin at every position. The trouble is you get into a vicious cycle if you start signing good free agents to make up for the poor farm system because you’re giving up picks for the type A and B guys. Good job Matt. DD needs to step it up on the scouting department side of the organization.

by KeystoneTiger on Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Ryan Strieby needs Your Love Matt

Big Bopper yes, other than wrist for 2010, was consistently a HR/15 ABs which compares favorably whith the Cabera’s of the game. DD said 3 docs have given the wrist the A-ok for 2011. Plus Outfield Fielding Stats for 2010 look good to me, 2 errors 72 games, outfield 1 error 52 games, decent Range Factor compared with other players.

In a fair spring training competition, wrist precluded, he should have beat out Damon last year. Hope he is Detroit on the 25 man, disappointed Magglio was resigned.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=strieb001rya

"Always 1984"

by Hack Johnson on Dec 28, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

If you're right about the wrist, I'd bring him up for DH and postpone Danny Worth.

100% Ryan Strieby will be a STAR DH. Repeat that!!! The Kid is a HITTER or I wouldn’t postpone Danny Worth. Strieby can be a DIFFERENCE MAKING player. Martinez at catcher with Strieby hitting normally at DH is awesome for a Championship. It’s the added DIFFERENCE. Ryan Strieby needs limited BP to avoid wrist problems and the squeeze ball I gave him.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 28, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Squeeze

ball? Are you serious? He needs to prove over 400 to 500 at-bats that he can stay healthy. And he needs to put up numbers that will get the attention of the front office. Otherwise, another dud in the system.

by KeystoneTiger on Dec 28, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Cletus will be in the mix for a roster spot in the outfield

along with Boesch, Wells, and Kelly. Probably two bench spots between those four

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 28, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He lengthened his swing when JL decided to bat him in the 3 slot and he managed a few dingers.

He seemed to shorten up when he was sent back down for adjustment.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Dec 28, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

then came the surgery

Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.

by Detroitchik on Dec 28, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

As usual thanks for the in depth analysis

Left field depth looks pretty shallow.
I’m looking forward to your CF and RF post.

by JAYRC on Dec 28, 2010 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

MANY THANKS!!!

At least I get a positive once in awhile on an unknown. Maybe LF isn’t as “shallow.” He could be higher if they promote him faster based on stats. I love what the Tigers did with Nelson/Teufel/Little. Now they can do it with Burgos. Minorleaguebaseball.com is the place for stats.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

so guys having a good season means they should be instantly promoted?

you don’t think there are any other factors in determining if they are ready for a higher level of ball?

by madpoopz on Dec 29, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

There obviously are, but the starting point is performance.

Look at Furbush and Villarreal vs. Adam Wilk. Based on fastballs, there’s no comparison, but look at the stats. Also look at BB vs K. Also, look at who throws strikes. Then look at promotion.

by StephenGrosberg on Dec 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Major league success requires a certain skill set

Sometimes, players that are successful in the minor don’t have these skills. For example, not being able to throw 90mph isn’t a good sign. Very few major league pitchers get by on 87. However, minor league batters might have a little more trouble catching up to 87 if a good change up is in place. Scouting happens for a reason.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Dec 29, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Other things we can consider

Pitchers’ stats are going to look better in certain leagues, like the Florida State League, due to park factors and other things. Some minor league batters are very good at hitting bad pitches but don’t see them very often if they get to the majors. Many minor leaguers are able to put up good stats but get destroyed by major league breaking balls.

Minor league watchers who only look at stats are not going to be very accurate at predicting major league success.

by Kurt Mensching on Dec 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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