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Minor League Matters: Middle Infielder Depth Chart

[Bumped because I really enjoy this series ... and because Kurt's bumped all the other ones. -- Mike]

 

So it's a cold, snowy day in North Carolina- which makes this the perfect time to revisit the minor leagues and look forward to the spring! Today's topic will be middle infielders- and the results may surprise you.

Onto the players!

(Oh, and a handy rubric for statlines: Plate Appearances, Batting Average/On Base Percentage/Slugging Percentage, BABIP, K/BB)

Star-divide

 

MLB

Adam Everett- Shortstop- 32 years old

2009 (MLB): 390 PA, .238/.288/.325, .277 BABIP, 61/22 K/BB

Opie (as he's affectionately called around here) is a 37 year old slick fielder who doesn't hit. He's around for $1.55 million dollars next year and will probably chip in a couple wins with a steady glove. A good player to have, if a bit boring to talk about.

Ramon Santiago- Middle Infielder- 29 years old

2009 (MLB): 296 PA, .267/.318/.385, .313 BABIP, 57/17 K/BB ratio

Once billed as the shortstop of the future by Tigers fans, Ramon hasn't exactly lived up to the hype. That's not to take anything away from him- he's a good glove utility player with enough of a bat to grab 300 plate appearances in the Bigs without embarrassing himself. The $2.5 million over 2 years we're paying for him is a bit much, however.

Scott Sizemore- Second Baseman- 24 years old

2009 (AA) 269 PA, .307/.398/.535, .353 BABIP, 46/35 K/BB

2009 (AAA): 330 PA, .308/.373/.473, .349 BABIP, 49/29 K/BB

Ladies and gentlemen, the second baseman of the future for your Detroit Tigers. It's no secret that I really like Scott Sizemore (almost as much as Casey Crosby), but let's try to put that into perspective. He's got some problems- health is one, considering he broke his ankle in the AFL. He's also not the best fielder in the world- Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus called him "sloppy"- and that BABIP is a bit scary (league average is around .300, but Sizemore looks like he could sustain a high one, especially with a good line drive oriented swing). I like to think of him as the opposite of Placido Polanco- while Polly was great with the glove and solid-but-unspectacular with the bat, I see Sizemore as great with the bat and solid-but-unspectacular with the glove. He's a good little player, and I hope his transition to the Show goes well.

AAA/AA

Brent Dlugach- Shortstop- 26 years old

2009 (AAA): 517 PA, .294/.346/.446, .400 BABIP, 137/39

I was an advocate for Dlugach becoming the starting shortstop over Adam Everett this year- Dlugach has an excellent reputation for good fielding in the minor leagues, and his numbers were very good on the surface- perhaps he made a breakthrough last year? Not really- his BABIP is normally high, but that number is 40 points higher than his career rate. The strikeout rate is also abysmal, and he doesn't walk that much. A high BABIP indicates good contact rates (to some degree) and his line drive percentage bears that out, but Dlugach really isn't a starter. That being said, I would have liked to see Detroit trade Santiago and give Dlugach the utility job- he provides a little more offensive upside and a steady glove. The Tigers really should try Dlugach out around the diamond this spring and summer, and perhaps should ship Santiago out at the deadline.

Will Rhymes- Second Baseman- 26 years old

2009 (AAA) 454 PA, .260/.317/.354, .297 BABIP, 58/36 K/BB

Rhymes is a 26 year old AAA role player that has never really taken off offensively. Defensively? Let's put it this way- if he were any good, he would have gotten an audition at shortstop sometime during the year. He's an organizational soldier.

Cale Iorg- Shortstop- 24 years old

2009 (AA): 529 PA, .224/.276/.339, .299 BABIP, 148/32 K/BB

Whew. This one is a bit of a trainwreck. Iorg went into the year as a highly ranked shortstop prospect with a good bat that needed to work on his glove. He came out of it as a no-hit, good-field semi-prospect. It's easy to be on the "Cale Iorg sucks" bandwagon, and I don't fault people who are. Allow me to be a bit more optimistic. We wouldn't be complaining as much if a 22 year old SS prospect just out of college came to AA and put up that line. It's easy to forget that Iorg sacrificed two years of development on a mission trip (he's a Mormon) and that he was rushed badly by the organization. The kid has a good work ethic (hell, he fixed his defense) and great tools. But that plate discipline is atrocious. If I were the Tigers minor league coach, I'd give the kid tons of plate discipline exercises to do throughout not only the winter but Spring Training. Iorg will probably end up as a utility player at best, but a glimmer of hope remains.

Danny Worth- Middle Infielder- 24 years old

2009 (AA): 315 PA, .241/.308/.323, .325 BABIP, 73/26 K/BB

2009 (AAA): 162 PA, .212/.265/.252, .288 BABIP, 40/11 K/BB

I like to think of Danny Worth as the middle infield version of Max St Pierre. Just like Pierre, he's good at a premium defensive position (Worth was drafted as a slick fielding shortstop while Pierre is a good glove catcher) and neither can hit worth a damn. The Tigers moved Worth to second base sometime in the middle of the year after demoting him from Toledo. That indicates that the Tigers see Iorg as a safer bet than Worth to make the Tigers and have an impact. That's about right- Worth is probably an organizational soldier, but he may have the potential to pull a Brent Dlugach and land a utility job somewhere.

Audy Ciriaco- Shortstop- 22 years old

2009 (A+): 469 PA, .262/.296/.397, 306 BABIP, 89/20 K/BB

Ciriaco is a toolsy shortstop, which is apparently why the Tigers added him to the 40 man. His speed is very good, and he's supposed to have some power (though you can't really tell looking at that line). His big problem is a lack of plate discipline. His fielding is passable, though he does flash a good glove occasionally. But unless he gets that batting line up, he's not going anywhere. There was some improvement last season as time went on (he did pretty well in June-August) and there's a pretty big home/away split (though part of that is due to a high BABIP at home). That being said, if he can put those tools to good use, he could make the Show- Sickles called him a future utility guy, though there's a major question as to whether that's a utility player for the Tigers or for Toledo.

A+/A/SS

Brandon Douglas- Middle Infielder- 24 years old

2009 (A): 379 PA, .322/.383/.374, .358 BABIP, 33/29 K/BB

Douglas is a toolsy middle infielder (started the year at shortstop but moved over to second base) who has more potential than his age indicates. Normally I leave 24-26 year old A ball players off these depth charts (the odds of them impacting anything is slim), but Douglas has a good set of tools and he not only hits for solid contact, but can take a walk and doesn't strike out a ton. He's a smart player with good tools, but I'd like to see some aggressive promotion next year- the Tigers need to send him to AA and see if there's anything there.

Gustavo Nunez- Shortstop- 21 years old

2009 (A): 513 PA, .315/.355/.425, .355 BABIP, 62/25 K/BB

Nunez has turned himself into a pretty legitimate young shortstop prospect- Sickles had him at 17, Kevin Goldstein at 10 and Baseball America at 7 on their respective lists. He's raw, and he got suspended this year for an altercation (KG says it was minor, but frankly, it's worth noting either way). The big thing to emphasize here is that Nunez is raw. While he's got good speed and makes contact well, there's a lot of things he needs to improve on- from his jump when stealing bases to learning a little patience. He's got definite upside as a starting shortstop, but he also has a long way in which to travel to make it there.

Chris Sedon- Second Baseman- 22 years old

2009 (SS): 153 PA, .124/.209/.153, .213 BABIP 57/10 K/BB

Sedon's numbers are pretty useless- 150 plate appearances don't help that much. Sedon is a decent second baseman who had a big year at Pitt in 2008 and got drafted in the 10th round in 2009. He hit for a good amount of power in the Big East, and he's got some speed, so there's upside here. While Sedon will probably end up as an organizational soldier, he's worth following next year- it's not fair to lump him into that category quite yet.

Daniel Fields- Shortstop- 19 years old

No Professional Numbers

Bad news- he's poor defensively and will probably land up at either third base or center field, with center being the more likely destination. Good news- he's a great power-speed threat with a good arm and major league bloodlines. There's really not a lot to say here other than to call Fields a raw, toolsy player with impact potential. And really, that should speak for itself.

Final Thoughts

The Tigers are deep in solid middle infielders- almost all the players mentioned have some sort of big league ceiling, and while the lower levels are full of organizational players, there's also some legitimate prospects. While there are no impact prospects, a breakthrough by Nunez, Douglas or Iorg is definitely possible and would go a long way toward improving the system rank as a whole. There's still a lot to like here- this is how a good system should look across the diamond.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.

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Regarding Sizemore: The very unstable minor league defensive numbers have him at average or better at every stop — though it’s a lot of small samples bunched together and it’s less reliable than major league stats.

But, continuing with that, it backs up your Brent Dlugach claim. Doesn’t like Rhymes, either.

All courtesy of Minor League Splits, of course.

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 AM EST reply actions  

Always safer to go with the scouts when it comes to minor league defense

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t have a database of scouts opinions at the ready :)

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ciriaco

Why did you leave him off the list? I am hoping to get a read on him.

by Barry2 on Feb 2, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Jeez... forgot him

I’m working off of the rosters at MiLB, and it’ll miss people. I’ll update later in the day.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Upper levels

I agree Ciriaco probably needs to be in the conversation since the Tigers added him to the 40-man. At the moment, I’m wondering if Iorg starts at Toledo, Ciriaco starts at Erie and Dlugach floats around as a supersub playing nearly every day throughout the infield (if he doesn’t make the big club). I suspect it will be something like that with my biggest question mark being whether they would promote Iorg to Triple A. I’m just doing guesswork, though.

At the lower level, I think I’d probably look at Alexander Nunez as somebody to watch over Chris Sedon but I agree we shouldn’t bury Sedon quite yet.

Good job, though. I’m enjoying the series.

by mattintoledo on Feb 2, 2010 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Great article series, but I completely disagree on this one....

I differ with the conclusion that there is a lot to like among middle infielders in the Tiger organization. There’s nothing there at all on the farm until you get all the way down to Nunez and Fields, and they’re years away. If anyone has enough upside before 2010 to make a contribution, it’s gotta be Ciriaco. “Mister tools”, I call him, has been on my radar for what seems like a decade (but it can’t be that long).
     
Everett is one of the worst overall shortstops in the majors. He costs the Tigers twice as many runs at the plate as he saves with his glove. (- 17.9 batting vs + 8.9 fielding according to fangraphs.com) He was the second worst hitter in the league last year against RHP’s, whom the Tigers faced 70% of the time. Inexplicably, Leyland let him bat against RHP’s over 200 times. Santiago has a little more pop in his bat, but below average range in the field. This is the primary position where the Tigers need an upgrade. In fact, they’ve needed an upgrade the last two winters, but DD has failed to provide one. Last season, this decision, among other things, cost them the division.

If DD’s waiting on the great Cale Iorg to save the day for them at SS, he’ll be waiting a long time. Maybe he finds lightning in a bottle, but so far he just can’t hit in pro ball. I enjoy watching young players develop as much as anyone, but the smart money says that the odds are strongly against any one of these guys making it in MLB as an average overall shortstop. This weakness is exacerbated by the weakness also at 3B and Catcher in the lineup.

At 2B, there’s Sizemore and then nothing. Roll the dice. I like Scott’s chances, because I like his development pattern, ability to hit and get on base at every level, and his improvement defensively including from Erie to Toledo last year. Reportedly, he’s adjusting and learning to play around the bag,and that’s exactly how he broke his leg in the AFL- turning a DP ball. We’ll have to be patient with him in the field, and don’t expect anything like the perfect Polly that we’re used to.

ddbb- I like this series of articles. You’re doing a great job, but I simply disagree with your conclusions about the strength of this position within the organization. Agree on Casey Crosby and Sizemore, though, as I mentioned in the other thread about Casey’s chat.

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 2, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

The MLB average overall shortstop is too high of a standard to set.

If you just go by what average is, then 15 teams in the majors have below average SS’s. I suppose Alexei Ramirez or Ryan Theriot would qualify as average MBL SS’s.

 If the Tigers have 4 guys in the minors, that could make the majors as a SS, then I’d say that’s very good, even if all 4 are are below average. At least they’d be a step above fringe mlb players / replacement level players, like Adam Everett.

by linuxit on Feb 2, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Shortstop of the future?

Where do you see Javier Azcona playing this year? Is he stateside? and how does he project in your opinion?
Thanks, I enjoy all the threads here at BYB.

by KalineCountry on Feb 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

He's not stateside yet

And I feel really uncomfortable about projecting out toolsy VSL/DSL/GCL players- it’s why I keep them off the charts. Hard to tell whether any of them can make it, and I don’t want to type “toolsy but raw” 500 times.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm most interested in Nunez.

All reviews I’ve read rave about his defense, and that’s something that isn’t lost when advancing levels. Even if he hits .260/.310/.350, he can still be a 2.5+ win player with 20+ stolen bases. Speaking of which, I guess they let players run wild in A ball. Except for Henderson, I don’t think I’ve never seen 25 caught-stealings before.

by StringTheory on Feb 2, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Ciriaco is on the 40 man roster

he was added just before the rule 5 draft. He played at Lakeland in 2009, and finished the season with Toledo for a few games.

There are NO SS or 3B players in the Tiger organization that I want to see in the Tiger lineup, and NO 2B’s after Sizemore. The idea that they can “make it” one day- which I don’t necessarily buy, doesn’t do anything for me. Everett has “made it” and he’s a liability to the team. I’m not encouraged by the talent level, or lack thereof, among position players in the Tiger organization.

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 2, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

The point

Look, while most of these players may not end up starting, there’s depth here insofar as there’s a lot of players who will not be a liability in case of emergency- if we have an injury in 2011 for instance, Cale Iorg would be passable in the short term. There aren’t impact prospects as of yet, yes, but there’s enough here so that Tigers fans don’t have to panic about injuries or minor problems.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The point

I see absolutely no signs of encouragement at the SS or 3B positions in the Tiger organization, from Detroit down to West Michigan. Cale Iorg can’t hit snow off a rope at Erie, so how would he be “passable” in the major leagues? The need for a shortstop came in 2008, and 2009, and 2010, and the system had nothing to offer three years in a row. I see nothing there for another three years. Danny Fields, if he sticks at SS, and Nunez look the most promising, but they’re a long way off. Those positions are the weakness of the organization, IMO. Among the rest, I’d be more interested in Ciriaco. At least he has an upside behind that big IF.

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 4, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Iorg's glove is better than Fields right now

So his glove could hold him up here. Nunez does look the most promising- but Ciriaco isn’t really anything to put hope in.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 4, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Ciriaco added

Shouldn’t have forgotten him initially… sorry.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 2, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Ciriaco does have some pop. I like the .130 isolated power for a “toolsy” SS.

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 3, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

That's why I said "supposed to"

I don’t see what the big stink is over Ciriaco. I’d rather have Dusty Ryan.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. I just hadn’t looked at Ciriaco’s numbers and was surprised his Iso was .130 last year. I was thinking he was more like a .80-.100 guy.

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 3, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

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by David Tokarz on Feb 3, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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