Reports: Tigers make (possibly two-year) offer to Johnny Damon
So the Tigers have made an offer to Johnny Damon. Maybe, anyway. But there seems to be a lot of smoke on Twitter today, and where there's smoke, there's ... low-hanging fruit for blog posts.
Ken Rosenthal reports Tigers owner Mike Ilitch authorized an offer of $14 million over two years. That actually sounds exactly what I would expect Ilitch to do. He likes his star players, and Damon is a star player. He likes interfering with whatever plan Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski put together, and paying Damon $7 million (exact contract depending) to play in Detroit next season would seem to mess with the expected lower budget and youth movement. If it were true, anyway.
Rosenthal wrote:
If Damon agrees to a deal with the Tigers, it will mark the third time in recent years that Boras has coaxed a multi-year offer from Detroit when it appeared that the market had dried up for a star player. Similar scenarios unfolded with Rodriguez in 2004 and Ordonez in 2005.
A two-year, $14 million deal would match what the Yankees dangled to Damon as they were attempting to sign his potential replacement in the No. 2 spot, free-agent first baseman Nick Johnson.
TigsTown.com's Mark Anderson tweets the Tigers have a one-year offer on the table and a two-year offer remains an "absolute possibility." (For what it's worth, Anderson also wrote it would be no surprise if the Tigers signed Damon tomorrow.)
Earlier today, Newsday's Ken Davidoff tweeted the Tigers offered about $500k more than the Braves did. Atlanta's offer was said to be $2 million now, $2 million deferred.
So that's where we stand as of 4 p.m. or so on Thursday. Updates will follow on this post as necessary!
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No!
NONONONONO! No! No No No! Do not want!
How can you justify trading grandy if you go out and do this?!! No! Bad Mike Illich, bad! Stop listening to Scott Boras!
Loss: Curtis Granderson, ~$1.5 million
Gain: Johnny Damon, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke
Sounds good to me.
by StringTheory on Feb 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Get it done
DD and MI had no idea going into the offseason that Damon would fall into their laps like this. We all know they need offense and Damon would provide.
DO IT DO IT
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No kidding.
And after they let Thome get away from them you know they’ll be trying to fill at least some of what they lost.
Chicago isn't going after him
Kenny Williams hates Boras. The only reason there name gets tossed into stuff like this is so that they can appease their meathead fan base.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 11, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Grandy
Why do people keeping bringing up Granderson when we sign a player. Its obvious the Tigers felt Granderson had reached the limit of his potential and traded him before his stock slipped (Was not traded to cut cost!). I for one am not a big Damon fan but if this is true it does make the Tigers a better team for this season. Hopefully its a one year deal with a team option for 2011. This moves helps the Tigers stick with the Twins and CWS.
by Londontigerfan on Feb 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your comment about Granderson.
I really think the Tigers saw/knew something they didn’t like.
I think they call it
Crippling inability to hit left handed pitchers of any sort. It’s kind of a big deal.
His fielding was regressing
At least, that’s what some of the metrics are saying.
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by David Tokarz on Feb 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Amen.
He hung the old skipper out to dry too many times in too many critical situations. I think skip wanted him gone.
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by StorminNormanCash on Feb 11, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I also think it was baseball related
A lot of people here may not agree with it, but I’m convinced that DD thinks that Austin Jackson will be a better player than Granderson, or he would not have lowered his asking price.
by SabreRoseTiger on Feb 11, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still wearing my Grandy footed PJ's
So let me put this out there. While I can be objective and say that I can agree that trading Grandy had as much to do with on the field performance as it did with finances let me remind you of this. If we still had Grandy would it be reasonable to expect the following:
.270 AVG, 25 HR, 20 doubles, 10 triples and 30 SB while demonstrating solid range in CF. I hope Jackson is an improvement and while I don’t expect him to have the power numbers Grandy had I do hope that we can see a higher OBP, more consistency when facing lefties, and similiar range in the outfield. And while I am rooting for Jackson the problem that remains is that we can only speculate on what he will do once he is an everyday player.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 12, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think 30SB is a little unreasonable to be honest...
the most he’s ever had is 26 and that was during his career year. 20 is the more reasonable number I think.
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fair enough
that was the only one though that I felt like I was over doing it with
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 12, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying I agree with him
To be honest, I’m not sure what my opinion is, mostly because I haven’t seen a single frame of Austin Jackson. I’m just expressing what I think DD believes.
by SabreRoseTiger on Feb 12, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's fair
I think I agree with you too and perhaps I’m being too defensive of a guy I really liked but while we may all eventually agree it was a smart baseball move I don’t think people should disregard that it is a debatable decision for a reason.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Should they get him
I hope he spends all of spring training doing long toss. Isn’t that really his only major flaw? I mean besides that website of course…
This has been like really bad foreplay.
Enough, already. Sign the damn contract and let’s play ball.
If it's 2 years for Damon, so be it
it’s not as though we have an overwhelming number of answers for the corner outfield and DH spots next season.
Truer words are rarely spoken...
White Sox/Tigers bidding war over Johnny Damon means one thing…someone’s gonna overpay.
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Now batting 1st for the Detroit Tigers-Johhhhhhhhhnnnnnnyyyyy Daaaaammon
As I stated in the previous post this is a good move for the Tigers. If anyone is looking at batting stats we lost 30 home runs and a 300 hitter. And, we were still 1 game shy of division title. I am not saying Johnny puts us over the hump but it certainly makes the hump a lot smaller. If this signing happens, I like our chances a lot more then I did at 8:00 this a.m. Folks this guy brings a lot to the table. He can steal bases, he’s left handed, adequate fielder, smart base runner, decent average, a good leader in the club house, can mentor the younger outfielders, can lead off or bat 2nd. Yes, I like it. But as we all know, another shoe will have to drop to put him on the 40 man roster. Im guess willis, bonderman, or robertson will answer that question by the end of spring training.
You’ve to give DD/MI credit. At least we have people who try and pull strings and make a competivie team. Ask the fans in Cleveland, Florida, Washington, Kansas City and Pittsburg how they like these moves we’ve made the off season. For the record, I liked Curtis (He was my Tiger), but from a baseball standpoint, I understand why he’s gone. Sorrry to see him go. GO TIGERS!!!!!
by blueleo on Feb 11, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
21 of those Granderson HR's were with the bases empty.
I’m not going to miss him. He was rather terrible last year in high leverage situations.
In fairness he usually had Laird and Everett batting in front of him.
Doesn’t change the fact he couldn’t hit lefties.
Get this Done...
…..This will allow us to bat Ajax 9th and way way way less pressure on him……Perfect situation for tigs and ajax.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Damon makes us better
But why (speculation) pay so much? Usually I don’t care what a team pays for a player: it’s not my money, there’s no salary cap, you can always make more pizzas, etc. The one caveat to that is when onerous contracts prohibit the organization from getting/keeping other players. Pretty big caveat obviously (Yankees). All that said, I’m actually embarrassed by this (speculated) signing. If all reports are true it seems like we could have Damon for less than 7 for one year. By (maybe?) paying him 14 for two, it feels te league is laughing at us again. Boo hoo.
by TigerFaninDC on Feb 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would like to see a one-year deal
But I’ve been “meh” on the whole situation anyways because I think the rotation is not good enough to contend for a division title this year. Justin Verlander, potentially good Max Scherzer, sophomore Rick Porcello and then two question marks. Only Verlander can be considered a sure thing, so color me skeptical.
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Questions marks doesn't mean not good enough
Porcello and Scherzer could just as easily outperform expectations and give us a top-tier rotation. The mere fact that they’re question marks means we have no idea if the rotation is good enough or not. But it definitely doesn’t mean it’s not good enough.
Then it's just a question of optimism versus pessimism
I look at one sure thing in the starting rotation (JV), my expectations are tepid for Porcello (a sophomore who will now be familiar to opponents) and Scherzer (a move from NL to AL) and then I have very little hope that Bonderman, Robertson, Galarraga or Willis comes through and gives back end stability to the rotation. Obviously it’s a pessimistic view.
Alternately, JV can be dominant, Porcello and Scherzer could become aces 1b and 1c and at least two of the four mentioned above or Coke could solidify the rotation. That is optimistic.
The true answer will be somewhere in between, but I tend to think it will be more towards scenario one. I will be pleasantly surprised if it isn’t.
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Well then you can look at the.....
…..White Sox….They got what Peavy and the Twins well nothing in that rotation scares me…..this division is wide open and thats why you go for it……84 55 wins could win this division and if we beat Miny and the Chi Sox this division is the Tigs!!!!…..So yes maybe all we have in JV but hey no one else anything better in this division then we got man…GO TIGS!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 11, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I would put lots and lots money on Ryan Raburn having a better 2010 season than Johnny Damon, plus he can throw. That should be the #1 reason why we shouldn’t sign Johnny Damon.
No way.
Look at Damon’s OBP and Raburn’s.
Raburn is NOT a top-of the line-up guy and does well against LHP.
It’s not that Ryan is bad. It’s just we need a Damon type guy given our line-up
by Tigersin2010 on Feb 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the end
A Damon vs. Rightys and Raburn vs Leftys platoon would probably give us the best chance to win.
Are you giving Damon 2 yrs $14 million to platoon?
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 11, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
The lefty in a platoon
starts something like 70% of the time . . .
I would put lots of money on the fact that Ryan Raburn can’t possibly keep the amount of production he had last year sustained over an entire season. He is a perfect bench player and that’s it. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves and crown the extremely versatile utility guy the answer everyday at a corner outfield spot. It would be ridiculous to assume that Ryan Raburn is an upgrade over Johnny Damon.
If we sign Damon
I saw we all pretend that we had a blockbuster trade where we sent out Edwin and Curtis and got Damon, Coke, Schlereth, Scherzer, Coke, and Jackson. Won’t that make everybody feel better?
Damon > Grandy
at the leadoff spot. That’s all I’m going to say. I wanted Grandy for the #3 spot for the last two years and obviously that’s a no-go, but this team needs that spark at #1. Damon would do that, for sure.
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Do people tweet just to see themselves tweet?
I mean…really..what is the purpose of retweeting something that’s already been retweeted like six times?
It’s e-mails I get at work that are "FYI"d from the squadron commander…then "FYI"d from the first sergeant…then "FYI’"d from the superintendent..then "FYI"d from my chief?
I mean really? WTF? Do you NOT see who the previous five e-mails went to?
there are reasons why I do not involve myself with twitter...
mostly it’s because facebook is as annoying as I’d like to go with annoying social networking services.
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Is this really what it takes to get Gullien out of LF?
I think Damon at 2 yrs $14 million is a terrible deal but if it gets Gullien out of left-field I can live with it. What I don’t understand is why people are convinced that Raburn won’t work out as an everyday player. By September he was practically a regular and he his numbers were consistently improving throughout the year. None of these guys are a star defender but if Damon really does have a dead arm than I would rather have Raburn out there and knowing Raburn costs less than a million versus paying Damon $14 million it just seems like a no brainer to give him a shot. I do think signing Damon is a win now move too so if the team is not in contention come September than I would argue it is a waste of a move.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 11, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions
Agreed that Damon is better than Guillen in LF
But if they switch on and off at DH and put 2 solid LH bats in the lineup, especially in the top 5, then that would work out great.
Raburn, to me, seems like a bench player who should be played when he’s hot. Same as Santiago. Same with Inge… oops =x forgot he’s still starting.
That said – I hope Damon is a Tiger. Get it done DD
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I believe Damon could make us favorites to win the division
That’s great. The problem I have is that I loved Raburn down the stretch last year and I believe he showed enough to deserve a shot at the starting job in LF. If it fails and we don’t contend in 2010 then at least we are in great shape heading into the next off-season. If Damon doesn’t work out and we are stuck with him for 2011 then it makes the plan going forward after 2010 more unclear. Still, if they sign him I will be rooting for the best possible outcome.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 11, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
WHY? Nothing against Damon just not the best move
I am absolutely confused! Johnny Damon is a solid ballplayer, just not the answer for us. If we new we had $7 million to spend this year there was better places to blow it! Johnny is just okay! He cannot throw and that is vital in Comerica. Where is he going to play? LF? Didn’t we already offer that to Carlos (not that I like the idea)? So, I am just sayin why upset the herd when you aren’t vastly improving the team and committing too much money to an average, over the hill player. Damon’s stats look better than they should have been because he played in the airfield called Yankee Stadium. Don’t give me the “oh, his average in comerica if fifty million”? I don’t care what happens in 200 AB’s, I think Rudy Pemberton hit .320 in his first 200 AB’s and you never heard of him again …. why? Because 200 AB’s means precisely zero! So, Carlos is mad and DHing, Damon is less than adequate in LF, I just don’t get it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heyman says Tigers offer may be north of 14 for 2 yrs
Which is amazing if that’s the case. 1 year deal is plenty, IMO
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/8981449535
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That's the line
We should want a bargain here- 2 years 9mm should be the opening offer, and we match the Braves/Sox/Rays in cost, but go for the extra year.
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by David Tokarz on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I'd take 2 yrs at 9 mil
but I got a feeling that it’ll be 2 at 14
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I'm not...
I’d be happy to hit left handed for the Tigers for that much. I don’t care if I’m right handed, for that kinda money bad habits are easily changed.
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Offer
Obviously, the front office wants to avoid any kind of dancing and/or bidding war so 2 yrs/$14 mil is putting our best foot forward and Damon wouldn’t likely see a higher offer. Braves could match, but the Tigers are closer to the playoffs than the Braves.
Afraid
of putting our best foot forward when dealing with Boras. I’m sure he’ll just counter with 2 yrs/$18 mil.
I don't buy the White Soxes being in on Damon
They have $60 million invested in Rios, they just added Juan Pierre to lead off (Beckham is also the likely number 2) and the every indication is that the team expects Quentin to be more like the 2008 version than the 2009. They also signed Andruw Jones should there be a need for a defensive replacement or platoon situation. Throw in the fact that there first round pick last year was an outfielder and Kenny Williams hates Scott Boras (he was asked a few weeks ago about Damon and he responded with “who’s his agent”).
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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 11, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions
Good call.
All subsequent reporting has shown they aren’t serious.
by StringTheory on Feb 12, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
2 yrs, 14M is insane
If the Braves only offered one year at 4M, why would you go out and double the years and the money? Especially for a guy who apparently isn’t drawing much interest.
I'm guessing there was something behind the scenes.
I can’t imagine Illitch doing that willie nillie. Word of the Sux or Braves maybe jumping in might have caused it.
So, to recap...
Today we’ve heard everything from 1 year, $4.5 million to 1 year, $7 million, to 2 years, $14 million to 2 years, something more than $14 million. Some even say that the Tigers have TWO offers out to Damon, one being the 1 year/$7 million and the other being the 2 year/$14 million. Now if that were the case, if you’re Johnny Damon, why would you take the one year deal?
by SabreRoseTiger on Feb 11, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions
Because you don't really want to pay in Detroit
and a one year lets you go back to New York in 2011.
yes!
please make this happen jd is a good left fielder besides the arm, will be the smartest player in a tiger uniform(remember his double steal in the world series? i remember a blog post about who if anyone on the tigers could pull that off), and a great leadoff or second hitter with amazing patience and good speed and extra base power, another proven left handed bat, a winner. what more could we tiger fans ask for? do all you raburn lovers remember that he came up as a second baseman? he will be a super sub for sizemore, inge, jackson?, and the corner outfielders, besides does anyone remember how many balls raburn/carlos misplayed in left last year…at least jd will catch it, so what if he can’t throw. all we need now is for carlos to swallow his pride and live with being a dh…skip will have the options he needs on an everyday basis, and the tigers go from maybe being contenders to duking it out with the twins and sox…another thing it allows the flexibility to give miggy some protection because the way it stands he would’\nt have seen anything to hit this year….if all else fails jd would make a great hitting coach as the tig’s have NEVER had a good approach at the plate…do any of you remember how much his pesky ass pisses ypou off at the plate?
So many of you have convinced me
Damon is a good move. I’ve jumped on the bandwagon, now just go get him. I think Illich said as much to DD. April is coming, Go Tigers!
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by StorminNormanCash on Feb 11, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not exactly on the bandwagon...
But I’ve got what I wanted (Verlander), so I’m willing to let you guys have Damon if that’s what you want.
by SabreRoseTiger on Feb 11, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
See, it all works out!
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by StorminNormanCash on Feb 11, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I can live with signing Damon
never really got into the raburn craze. i mean, he’s a good player, but he just seemed to lack something most times he was playing that drove me nuts. and getting guillen out of left field would make me very happy.
I Like Pie
Seems awfully pricey.
And I’d like to see Raburn get a chance at some actual playing time. But oh well.
I did try to trade Grandy for Damon on MLB The Show for PS tonight. Couldn’t do it. Played college basketball instead.
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So here’s the thing. Let’s say they sign Damon. I’m ok with his general jockass behavior (even though it really does highlight how fun, classy, and charming CG was) and I actually think his addition would make the Tigs a much better team in 2010. But here’s my problem. The Tigers story on trading Grandy was that “we couldn’t afford him — economics — etc etc” And believe me I feel the economy tugging out my soul like Admiral Ackbar lining up the rebel fleet. BUT the Damon thing — IF IT HAPPENS — basically says “no it wasn’t money — we just didn’t like Curtis — and we were lying to the fan base” And if that was true do you think it was a big controversy to use money as an excuse to trade the most popular Tiger? Why not just say “Hey look Curtis is great — except he strikes out tons, no longer hits in the clutch, and we don’t like him at ALL against lefties.” WHY WHY WHY?
I don't recall reading one word from DD or the club about making the trade for monetary reasons
I did, however, hear “this is not a fire sale” a number of times from them.
by Trysdor on Feb 12, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
no one ever said “we’re doing this to save cash.” It’s all been speculation. Signing Jose Valverde pretty much dropped that notion.
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As for the Granderson and Tigers thing, it’s safe to say the Tigers just didn’t like Granderson. Speculating beyond that is best left to Lynn Henning.
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 12, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't recall DD saying that either
Let’s face it, Grandy is a great guy and you couldn’t ask for a better role model, but I can hit lefties as well as him and I haven’t played since little league! Damon fills a hole right now (lefty and leadoff – oh, wait, two holes) for about the same price. I know, the lefty hole is the result from trading Grandy, but let’s not overlook that the two are related. Grandy was no leadoff hitter, but he was also not a “meat of the order” hitter either. This isn’t the early 90’s again where middle of the order was a .220 average with 25 – 30 HR’s and 140 SO’s. We need people to get on base and Damon does that. Let’s get it done and give Miggy and Mags someone to drive in!!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Feb 12, 2010 6:49 AM EST up reply actions
Trading Granderson Because We Couldn't Afford Him . . .
To the extent that Granderson was traded because of money, it was because of the money 2012-2014, when we will have 2 $20+million-a-year players on the payroll. Right now, when Verlander is only making $6.75 million this year, we can afford Valvrede and Damon, particularly if neither is signed for 2012.
if Damon sign, it’s true tigers will be a alot better team, with Damon pencil in 10 more wins in the ‘’ W’’ colume, @ means possible tigers will reach ~90+ more even 100 wins..I am excited so,the pieces is coming together perfectly!
by '' spiderman '' on Feb 12, 2010 5:55 AM EST reply actions
If, Damon sign on with 2y contract that means in order to make the lineup as follows: 1. Damon DH 2. Jackson CF
3. Maggs RF 4. Cabrera 1B 5. Guillen SS 6. Rayburn LF 7. Inge 3B 8. Laird/ Avila split the time 50/50 – C 9. Sizemore 2B No Everett he plays backup to Guillen, now, if need be Guillen has a dayoff or two then Santaigo plays SS, emergency Everett! Now , if Rayburn has a dayoff in LF either Thomas or Kelly plays LF Now, if Maggs has a dayoff or two in RF either Thomas or Kelly RF Now, thats my plan of the attact, JL & DD I see it the way they do!
by '' spiderman '' on Feb 12, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions
Too bad for Thomas
Obviously one outfielder is not coming North in April. Rayburn will make it, Mags, Carlos, and Damon. Forseeably, that leaves Jaclson and Thomas duking it out for the center field postion. Besides Damons arm, dont under estimate what Damon is going to bring to the table. He will make the pitcher work and work work. Everyone remembers his double steal in the WS. But, does anyone remember that if my memory serves me correctly he had like a 11-12 pitch AB before he singled to right center? We can all guess on the woulda/coulda/shoulda on what the Tigers should’ve done with the money they are now supposedly going to spend. But, at the end of the day, Damon was the best guy out there left standing, he’s a left handed bat with decent on base percentage and can hit at the top of the lineup. This will work out fine for the Tigs. Order the Octopuss Boras!!
by the numbers : Guillen – Healthy 07 – [SS] AVE 296 HR 21 RBI 107 RUN 86 SB13 PT: 50/50 Injury 08 -[SS] AVE 286 HR 10 RBI 54 RUN 68 SB 9 – Tigers decided try him at 1B, then 3B Finally , LF but Guillen wasn’t happy with tigers skipper JL , all because everett come on the scene big mistake 09, and Guillen at that time was injuried, so he had an injury big deal, every player has it soon or later, doesn’t mean automatically switch positions which they did on Guillen..All I can say, is Guillen is very comfortable playing SS, his proves that when he is health just like 07 when drove in 107 RBI, and 21 HR’S….You made the judgements.. best guy playing SS will be I think Guillen!….move him back at SS!…Guillen numbers will be increased greatly…..P.S Guillen with those numbers he post in 07 proves it!..sorry, I am off subject very sorry but , I had to do it
by '' spiderman '' on Feb 12, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions
Can you post Guillen's range (healthy or not)?
Then we can seriously consider this post
by Tigersin2010 on Feb 12, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
absolutely, when he is healthy.. Guilen is rebounding from injuries in 08 and 09…Tigers shouldnt have picked everett has as a replacement…bad move the Tigers made and GM [DD]….Healthy or not, all because of injuries keep in mind that…beside, in 2006 Gullen played SS, and marched to the world series!
by '' spiderman '' on Feb 12, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting idea
I wonder how Guillen would fair at his old post… I doubt the organization is seriously considering this, but it would be interesting to let him try it in spring training. Guillen seems to believe he can still play SS.
The question is, how long would he last before he breaks down? And, can we afford to lose his good left handed bat out of an already somewhat thin lineup?
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no thank you.
Guillen thinks he can play anywhere on the field. I don’t trust his judgement regarding his own fielding ability.
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hey i think i know what is happening...
I think spiderman is doing some kind of transference thing here… Somehow Carlos Guillen is or has become Ozzie Guillen in his mind… And then Ozzie Gullien has somehow become Ozzie Smith… and THEN somehow it is 1986…
Seriously
Please stay on topic. if you want to talk about something unrelated to the current thread, find a post regarding what you want to talk about or make a FanShot or FanPost. It might also help if you format your comments/posts so that people can read them.
Also
the OT February thread has a nice potpourri of comments
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by Detroitchik on Feb 12, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with doing this
I just don’t want the Tigers to bid against themselves and overpay. I don’t think they need 2 years out of Damon… There are only two teams who want him, and one (Atlanta) apparently doesn’t want him that badly. This should all play in the Tigers’ favor.
I mentioned this on the other thread
but it bears repeating here. A 2 year deal at $14 million or so makes a boatload of sense if (and only if) the second year is an option year of some sort. Most likely, a player option. This way, the Tigers get their man in Damon and Damon gets the security of a second year. If Johnny has a good season (likely), he can decline the option and hit the market again. The Tigers are taking a risk only if he stinks. If that’s what it takes to bring him into the fold, do it.
As long as Damon grows back the Jesus beard/hair
it will totally be worth it.
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Granderson and "couldn't hit lefties"
While all well and true that he failed against lefties in 2009 (quick quiz: who had .739 OPS vs lefties in 2008?), the problem the Tigers lineup had was “can’t hit anybodies.”
To hit lefties, which they see 25% of the time, they have guys like Cabrera and Ordonez in the lineup. To hit righties, which they see 25% of the time, what do they have? Well, Cabrera still. But Granderson’s .897 OPS could probably have come in handy against the pitching they see three times as often, yes? Without him, their OPS against right-handed pitching was .720, which would have ranked 13th of 14 teams.
Until they find a left handed hitter who can put up a .900 or so OPS against right handed pitching, they have created a substantial hole in their lineup by making the trade.
Whether Granderson whiffs against lefties is inconsequential to that.
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 13, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions
I was thinking about this the other day.
Granderson’s ability to hit lefties is not nearly as big of an issue if you don’t have two holes in the line up like Everett and Laird. Once I started thinking about this it made me a little disgruntled over the Granderson trade, which I was and am still okay with for the most part.
Agreed...
Fangraphs has been doing some great posts this week about splits… It isnt that big of a deal when it comes to splits… a player like Grandy’s true talent level against lefties is somewhere between the lefty/righty split..
And people forget that even with his bad hitting against lefties, he still was around a 4 win player… sure most of that came from hitting righties, but 4 WAR is 4 WAR… It just shows how GOOD he was at hitting righties..
That said i liked the trade, well kinda.. I think we could have got a better haul, like getting Castro from the Cubs, but the trade made sense… We freed up payroll that allowed us to aquire other postions of need, while at the same time filling rolls with cost controlled players…

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