Jair Jurrjens...

by trross1200 on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM EST

I absolutely, 100% do not wish for any player to be hurt, but **IF** Jair Jurrjens were to spend a significant number of days on the DL this year, would that somehow lessen the sting of the Rentaria trade?

If you remember way back to 2007, it was thought at the time that part of the reason DD thought Jurrjens was expendable (aside from the fact that he did not fit the 6-5, 220 lb mold that he likes all of his starters to fit into) was because Jurrjens suffered from chronic shoulder stiffness/discomfort... and I'm sure that that caused DD some discomfort.

From ESPN.com:

"The Braves were one of the few teams with a surplus of starting pitching, and were confident enough to trade away Javier Vazquez to the Yankees.

That rotation depth could be eroded if Jair Jurrjens has more than just lingering soreness in his shoulder. Jurrjens traveled to Atlanta and underwent and MRI on Tuesday.

The Atlanta JC reports today that Jurrjen's shoulder discomfort began while playing in a "low-key game" in his native Curacao last week.

The Braves are hoping it is merely a case of tendinitis. The 14-game winner admitted to fatigue last season while throwing a career-high 188 1/3 innings, so is this a legitimate red flag?

ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney discusses the best-case scenarios for the Braves this season, and they obviously involve a healthy Jurrjens."

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Hindsight is obviously 20/20, but I can honestly say that I did not like the Rentaria trade at the time, partly because the Tigers chose to also include one of their "better" position prospects at the time, Gorkys Hernandez (now with the Pirates). I would have loved to see Jurrjenns pitch for the Tigers in 2008 and 2009... or at least until they traded him to the Yankees for a left handed reliever.

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im over the jair trade....

….We prolly wouldnt have goten Procello if that trade doesnt happen…..Jair is prolly a better pitcher but its close between him and Rick….We went for it with that trade and it didnt work out…..It happens.

by BennieBladesFan on Feb 17, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions

Little known fact

Porcello was drafted June 7, 2007. Jurrjens was traded October 29, 2007.

by ChrisDTX on Feb 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions

Jurrjens

He’s a shock- he projected to be a 3rd starter at best, and he’s clearly surpassed that. Plus he would have gone to Florida had he not gone to Atlanta.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 17, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions

heyman tweeted that he's fine and the MRI didn't show anything serious

whatever that means.

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by allikazoo on Feb 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions

I can forgive the Tigers for Jurrjens simply because

well, who saw that coming? I mean, he was a fine young pitcher here, but ace-caliber? I sure didn’t see it.

by Trysdor on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions

And besides, as long as the

Verlander-Porcello-Scherzer-Crosby-Turner dream rotation works out, we won’t miss him anyways.

A man can dream, can’t he?

by Trysdor on Feb 17, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions

and besides that

if he wasnt’ a Brave, he’d probably have been a Marlin

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by Kurt Mensching on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions

Now that I think about it, without the trade, shortstop is still our biggest need

and the whole offseason changes. We might not have even gotten Cabrera. Scary thought.

by Trysdor on Feb 17, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe, maybe not

At the time if you’d have given Florida a choice of two of the following three, Miller, Maybin and Jurrjens, I think they’d still have taken Miller and Maybin. But it’s all water near a bridge. I was (and still am) of the opinion that the Tigers got rooked by Atlanta but whatever. Not the first time that’s happened!

by ChrisDTX on Feb 17, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions

Can't say . . .

. . .oh well, he’s hurt, so we were right to trade him—the reason he’s hurt is that Atlanta overused him, as the recent front page article on overusing pitchers shows..

by rea on Feb 17, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions

woops,

i said the same thing, and wouldn’t have if I took the time to read this first.

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

I was actually a proponent of the Renteria deal that the time. Hindsight would probably skew my view, but given what I knew then and how to evaluate trades, I wasn’t a hater of the deal.

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions

I guess,

NOT. Even after reading that it still sucks that the Braves got a free arm to abuse, which IMO they did. It stings more because we would have taken him slower. IMHO.

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 AM EST reply actions

Whaaa? We would’ve taken him slower? We had him up in the Majors and throwing 104 pitches in his first start. And then he went down with some injury if I recall correctly. He threw 72 pitches in his first game back in the bigs that year and then 90 before he got rocked in his final two starts in a Tigers uniform.

We showed no signs of taking him slow and if the front office thought he was ready, they shouldn’t have either.

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by Mike Rogers on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions

the what if's...

much like 163 debating this topic is merely what-if’s. The past cannot be changed so trying to figure out what would of been different is essentially non-sensical, maybe not for us, we are fans. But I do not want our front office figures spending their time looking for justifications of any move, good or bad. Focus on the future and learn from the past. Do not make it the driving force behind team decisions.

On a side note: I love Jair. I"d pretty much trade anybody on this team to get him back. What I saw from him in a Tigers uniform at such a young age very very much impressed me. Plus he did it against AL hitters. Makes his pitching effort that season all the more impressive and very hard for me to swallow this particular trade.

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by madpoopz on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions

I still consider this to be one of DD's worst deals as GM

I believed at the time Jair would have been a big help in the 2008 rotation and while he probably wouldn’t have prevented the disaster that that season turned into, he would have been a better contributor than Renteria. Throw in the fact that we also lost Gorky in that deal makes it even worse. All that being said, Jair breaking down now changes nothing for me. Time to move on and wish all parts the best going forward.

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by tigerfaninChicago on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions

Still no excuse

for DD being ‘surprised’ by Renteria’s lack of range, which he admitted after they declined his option (at a buyout cost of $ 3 million) for 2009. Edgar’s range was not good in Atlanta. Just like Willis had lost it, so had Edgar with the glove, and DD’s scouts blew it.

To add insult to injury, Gorkys was later dealt in a trade that brought Michiganian Nate McLouth to the Braves. I’d give them Austin Jackson, Clete Thomas, Raburn, and Wells for McLouth!

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 23, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions