ESPNChicago reports Sox pull offer to Damon
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 19, 2010 4:53 PM EST
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PrintBruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com reports the White Sox have pulled their offer to Johnny Damon, effectively making the Tigers the winners. Maybe.
He quotes Sox GM Kenny Williams:
"It became clear to us in our recent negotiations that the money that we were offering was not going to be good enough for Johnny at this time," White Sox general manager Kenny Williams told ESPNChicago.com. "At this particular point, we feel it's necessary to withdraw our offer."
Levine wrote the Sox offer was about $6 million.
However, Damon's agent Scott Boras is still trying to get the best deal out of the Tigers, ESPN's Buster Olney reports on Twitter in a series of tweets:
Heard this: Scott Boras is now working a two-pronged approach on the Tigers. No. 1 -- he'd like to get Detroit to remove all deferred ... money out of their one-year, $7 million offer. Or No. 2, he'd wants Ilitch to actually give Damon legitimate second year in their offer.
So I guess that's what Dave Dombrowski was talking about earlier in the day.
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Seriously, I woud love to see Boras screw himself and Damon over.
I don’t even care if we get him or not at this point.
This
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by David Tokarz on Feb 19, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
this is what I get for complaining you guys say "+1" too much, isn't it?
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 19, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
+1
to that
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by Detroitchik on Feb 19, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by David Tokarz on Feb 20, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any incentive for the Tigers to keep their offer where it is? They should lower it and see how cheap he can come.
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Keep the offer where it is
this is no time for petty politics. I’d rather have a player who feels wanted then one who feels he got jerked around. Being petty is just stupid.
Then Damon and Boras should have thought of that before they started playing games.
I say keep it where it is or drop it a little since all the leverage of another team is gone. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
That would just be great.
Can you just see the phone conversation DD will have with all the other GMs.
DD: Hey…just making sure really truly have no intent of going after Damon. I’m going to lower my offer to Damon just to screw with Boras.
What a show of unity by all the GMs against agents now and future.
doesn't even have to collude or anything
Just drop it a little – not even a dramatic “screw him over” kind of drop, just a “you jerked us around and I’m annoyed so I’m lopping a little bit off the top” kind of drop. It wouldn’t take much to make a point.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Second thought, dropping it probably brings Chicago back in the mix since their offer was $6 mil — not exactly far off from us.
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People are still feeling the sting of thinking they'd been burned
not realizing that it’s just part of dealing with Scott Boras. Once they see Damon wearing the olde english D, they’ll change their tunes.
Which I won’t understand at all. He helps this team win and the Tigers have been negotiating with one of the better (and stubborn) negotiators in baseball.
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He's an investment.
And if he doesn’t live up to expectations, people are going to be upset about his signing anyways. The fact that Damon and Boras are playing games is just going to make that worse.
Winning cures everything. No one cares about the number of times Carlos Guillen complains about where he’s playing, how much he’s playing, trying to stay healthy, etc etc when he’s hitting a 2-run bomb in the 7th inning. Once baseball starts, people quit holding their grudges. The ones that keep them are the ones worth ignoring, in my opinion (no offense).
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Based on what?
Speculation out of Chicago that he didn’t want to play in Detroit? If he didn’t want to play in Detroit, he would have taken the White Sox offer. There’ is absolutely no basis for the theory he doesn’t want to play in Detroit other than speculative newspaper reports from suspect sources. One of life’s first lessons is to not believe everything you read. Remember it.
Weird, I didn't know Jon Heyman and Ken Rosenthal were "out of Chicago".
Thanks for the life lesson lecture, though. Can’t wait for more of your wisdom in the future.
Heyman and Rosenthal never quoted Damon.
They quoted things they were hearing from people out of Chicago. It’s a round about way of saying the same thing. They were just intermediaries for those same suspect sources. We have absolute no proof that Damon didn’t want to play in Detroit. If he signs, I think that’s pretty concrete proof that those reports were bogus in the first place. If he didn’t want to play in Detroit, he would have taken the White Sox offer, simple as that. He didn’t.
He had another choice
that much was clear. An offer was on the table. He’s not stupid. He knew what his choices were, White Sox or Tigers. He would have taken the White Sox offer when he had the chance if he didn’t want to play in Detroit. The simple fact that he may have chosen the White Sox if the offers were equal is a very far cry from “doesn’t want to play in Detroit.” If he didn’t want to play in Detroit, other choices were there. So, obviously, it wasn’t true.
It's been apparent for a long time that he's in this for the money
His choice wasn’t White Sox or Tigers. It was White Sox or Tigers+$1M. Just because he might choose the money over his other options doesn’t mean that he does want to play in Detroit.
I totally don't get your point at all now.
You acknowledge that money was his consideration, but preclude the possibility that he was creating competition in the interest of getting more money for himself? Trying to get a bigger, better offer? Instead, it’s simply “he didn’t want to play for us?” Totally illogical. Are you just upset that the Tigers weren’t his first choice? That he wasn’t willing to give us a discount or sign with us without exploring his options? Of course we weren’t his first choice. The Yankees were his first choice. We knew this all along. There is absolutely zero evidence he didn’t want to play for us, certainly not enough for you to crucify the guy and “hold a grudge against him.” You feel slighted, but the basis for this feeling is essentially hearsay. If you don’t want to like Damon, that’s your business. But I don’t think you have a single compelling reason to.
I'm not upset about anything.
Nor did I say that I will hold a grudge against him. Nor do I feel slighted. I don’t particularly like him as a player, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what has happened this offseason. I want the Tigers to sign the guy.
I’ve made all of my points and have nothing more to add.
That was for...
Trysdor’s original comment about the “not wanting in Detroit” rumors just being newpaper gossip…
Hmmm...I still don't feel like the Tigers are "in the clear," so to speak
Rule number one: Never trust Scott Boras. There’s still something fishy going on.
I am watching MLB TV this morning (my new favorite station)
They just reported the Detroit Tigers are the “Lone Suitor” for Damon at this point. Do you think he now regrets not signing that contract the Yankees offered him?
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yeah, I am sure of that.
He was probably telling Damon all along, “don’t take it. I can get at least 3 or 4 teams to offer you more…”
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by Detroitchik on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Technically he has until tomorrow morning to accept Chicago's offer
That sounds like a deadline to me, not a withdrawal.
by SabreRoseTiger on Feb 20, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions
well
according to MLB TV, the ChiSux officially pulled that offer
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by Detroitchik on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
on the otherhand nothing would surprise me at this point
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by Detroitchik on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Kenny Williams said this:
If circumstances change in the next 24 hours, I certainly will be willing to revisit it.
to the Chicago Sun-Times.
by StringTheory on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
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