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Off-Topic: March 2010

We made it to March! Several Tigers are in the best shape of their lives! Brandon Inge's rehab is unsurprisingly ahead of schedule! One more workout until the first spring training game of the season.

Handy links:

Full spring training and 2010 season schedule on FSD.

ESPN is also going to be showing a bunch of other spring training games you may or may not care about, check out that list here.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.

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by 13194013 on Feb 28, 2010 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

You're early.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 28, 2010 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Better early than late I suppose

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by David Tokarz on Mar 1, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what she said?

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USA! USA! USA! USA!

by Baroque on Mar 1, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really, Free Press?

This is Magglio? I know Leyland thinks he looks younger, but that’s stretching it a bit too far.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 1, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

I know… its Jr.

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Henning seems to have gotten into a pattern

Every offseason, he writes column after column about how the Tigers should trade one specific player and then during spring training he develops a huge mancrush on one of the prospects. Last year it was Maggs and Porcello, respectively. This year it’s Granderson and Casper Wells.

I will say this though: Ever since the Damon signing, Lynn Henning’s been in an uncharacteristically good mood.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 1, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I would agree

He must have a bro-mance with Damon or something. But I recall last season, especially as we approached the half way mark, how he dogged my Tiger, now he’s right back i the band wagon. NO BANDWAGON-ER’s ALLOWED. DAMMIT

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh

I’m not exactly the biggest Tim Burton fan, but my roommate has a crush on Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham-Carter, so I’m going.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 1, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Tim Burton = ew.

I feel for you, having to go see his latest atrocity.

by 13194013 on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thats kinda creepy

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Depp is kinda creepy

It works.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 1, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

not nearly as creepy

as Madonna

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by Detroitchik on Mar 2, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It's March already?

I’m screwed! It’s not too much work, too little time any more, it’s too much work, no effing time!

Coming in like a lion, indeed, about to bite my head off…

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by ahtrap on Mar 1, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Official Tigers
Casey Fien was claimed off waivers from the Tigers by the Red Sox today. He will report to their camp.

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

I know

messed up, huh? That will come back to haunt the organization someday…

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as much as if it were a starter or position player.

If sacrificing a reliever is necessary, well bring out the altar and I’ll go get my shiny dagger.

by 13194013 on Mar 1, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true

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by David Tokarz on Mar 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

if there’s one place the Tigers have a surplus, it’s relief pitching.

by ChrisDTX on Mar 1, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Not to make light of anyone’s concerns (which may well be valid), but I’ve noticed a tendency among Tigers fans to get a little bit worried whenever one of our prospects gets traded away or claimed on waivers. It’s as if they start to wonder if said prospect (even if it’s someone they never heard of ) was underestimated and is in fact an All-Star in waiting or a future Hall-of-Famer. Maybe it’s that residual regret from the John Smoltz deal (which I can’t personally experience because I was four years old when that happened).

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 1, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well its not that i was

crazy about Fien, but i think he had potential and those are the ones that usually bite us in the ass…

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to me like former Tigers in general (whether they were successful or not) seem to do quite well when they face us

You know Jason Grilli actually has a win AGAINST the Tigers? Not to mention the Jeff Weaver win against us in the World Series (Although our boys seem to handle him pretty efficiently during the regular season). I half expect Kyle Farnsworth to rack up 12 Ks in a game against us (if he actually is starting) or Curtis Granderson to absolutely crush our lefties.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 1, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

that’s what i’m saying. We made grilli look like a Cy Young contender

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's that the Red Sox acquired him

And the Red Sox have a brilliant GM.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 1, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yes they do

isn’t he one of the youngest too?

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by Detroitchik on Mar 1, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t see this before I posted.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s WHO is picking up the Tigers garbage so-to-speak. The track record of Theo Epstein speaks for itself and Jack Zalphabet in Seattle’s building a good track record too. So if they are grabbing someone from us, it’s good to second-guess it ‘cause they usually know something the rest of the league isn’t paying attention to (generally speaking).

If it’s Houston, well, we just laugh at them like Ed Wade is the drunk uncle trying to make balloon animals on his back in the middle of the living room floor.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you

But I also believe with the abundance of relievers, losing Fien is still nothing to fret over.

by 13194013 on Mar 2, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I just get frustrated at the “all power arms, all the time” routine because they are rarely good at controlling the walks. Fien was a nice change of pace because of his ability to not give up a free pass. There should’ve been a role in the pen for a guy like that, ideally.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately. I’d rather have: K/BB RATIO.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 2, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Weirdo

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by David Tokarz on Mar 2, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always had

That sports fan spurned-tradee-coming-to-bite-you-in-the-butt-later paranoia.

It hasn’t happened nearly as many times as I think it is, but my mind skews toward it because I remember the times it did happen and not the times it didn’t.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 3, 2010 5:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Positive spin alert!

When I first read this, my honest reaction was that we must actually have the depth in the relief ranks that we think we do, because the guy we just released got picked up immediately – by a pretty good GM, no less.

I mean, if you continually drop players that nobody else wants, what does that say about your roster?

by TennesseeYooper on Mar 2, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

The Chilean earthquake shortened the day by .00000126 seconds. Adjust your alarm clocks accordingly.

by StringTheory on Mar 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

is anyone else having problems

every time I log into BYB I have to adjust my setting to wide because it keeps coming up narrow. I never had this problem till this morning. I remember i adjusted the setting to wide when I first joined and it had always stayed wide, now every time i come to the blog today, I have to fix it. Its quite annoying

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by Detroitchik on Mar 2, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

You truly are the

leader of our people.

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by Detroitchik on Mar 2, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

you get paid?

Damn. Who pays you? Hopefully you don’t rely on people clicking on the “Get Ripped Abs” ad over and over again. For your sake, you deserve better.

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by TigerFanInCleveland on Mar 2, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggy loves Maggs
Cabrera also offered a prediction about Tigers outfielder Magglio Ordonez: He said Ordonez would finish with a batting average between .320 and .330, with 20 home runs and 100 RBIs. Ordonez hit for little power last year while his wife battled serious health issues.

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by Detroitchik on Mar 2, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Does anyone else here have the At-Bat app for iPod or iPhone?

Is there any way I can upgrade my current At-Bat app or do I have to buy the new one? I don’t mind buying the new one, but I don’t want to spend the money if I don’t have to.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 2, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

boston

If that gm is so damn smart it’s probably a good thing we took their scouting people

by Robeartoe on Mar 2, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Twitter question

Is it considered bad form to just follow other people and not actually give any tweet input yourself? Because I just got set up (on the Blackberry I got Sunday :) and am VERY new to this), but can’t imagine that ramblings about my latest crochet project or what book I’m reading or what my parents’ goofy dogs did this time (they have the dizziest blonde golden retriever EVER, I think) would be all that interesting.

(Seriously, I think the sweet dog is part beaver – she goes into my dad’s shop and steals pieces of scrap wood to chew on.)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 3, 2010 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

I hope not, because that's pretty much what I do

I mostly use my Twitter page to link to my blog posts, although I forget to do that about half the time.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 3, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

everyone brags about followers, not how many times they tweet

ok, well, most people. So as long as you’re following, people are happy!

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

my account is locked, so I have a couple friends who do that

so that they can see my tweets/other mutual friends’ tweets and occasionally reply, but they don’t really do much else. no big deal!

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by allikazoo on Mar 3, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I do

I find it throws them for a big loop. ;)

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by Baroque on Mar 3, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I just follow a few people.

With a name different from all my other different internet handles. I also am refusing to get a smart phone.

by 13194013 on Mar 3, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Once you have a smart phone, you’ll wonder why you ever had a phone that just made phone calls.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoy it.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it

But I also have no problem with ignoring a call if I’m too busy, or turning the thing off. It’s not a compulsion to check all the time.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 3, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt it highly.

I don’t even text message.

by 13194013 on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Say whaaaa? Love texting. Gives me the option of ignoring someone without feeling guilty (though, i wouldn’t feel guilty ignoring their phone call, either).

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind texting

it’s just when you’re with people and they whip out their phone and start texting constantly. … or co-workers who do it.

There’s a time and place for it.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

boggles my mind when people don't text

though I’ve always hated talking on the phone. texting is way easier, to me.

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by allikazoo on Mar 3, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't even get text messages on my phone

To me, just seeing what the person says without hearing their tone/inflection/whatever opens the door for misunderstanding (like here on BYB when someone is being sarcastic and gets taken seriously). That said, I have a serious phobia about making phone calls.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I love texting

Not for long conversations, but short ones – like “want to grab dinner later?” “What time do you get out of work?” etc.

I prefer it to a phone conversation because the person can return it at their convenience, so if they are in the middle of class or in a meeting when I think of the question, I can ask before I forget and they can answer when they have a moment. Sometimes it’s more polite that way – less intrusive.

Having to text on a regular cell phone was what actually prompted me getting a smart phone – and so far I haven’t regretted it. :)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 3, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer phone calls.

I set my phone to silence and if it is important a message will be left and you can return a phone call at your leisure/convenience, especially with voice mail. I am generally asocial and so text messaging is actually more intrusive than a phone call.

by 13194013 on Mar 3, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine not having one. It’s been far to convenient for answering work questions when I’m out of the building, or calling when I’m on vacation or at a conference, or making sure that people can still reach me when I have moved because the land line was a different number but the cell phone was the same.

I can’t even remember the last time my land line rang and it was for something other than a telemarketer, because I never use it.

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by Baroque on Mar 4, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I love land lines.

I use a land line as a message phone for things/people I don’t want to have more access to me.

by 13194013 on Mar 4, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This boggles my mind. It’s so ingrained into the lives of everyone I’ve ever met, I don’t know how people get along without one.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 4, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

mines barely ingrained into my life.

the only reason I ever got one was because my last job took me traveling around the state to various factories doing inspection and sorting work. It was more of a safety thing than anything. Up to this point in time I do have unlimited text but even at that it’s usage in nil.

Connection to society is personal preference just like everything else I guess.

by madpoopz on Mar 4, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm similar.

I have a cell phone mostly because I commute 30 miles to school.

I’m still stuck in the 90s and use AIM a lot.

by StringTheory on Mar 4, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, I do too

I’m on there and gtalk almost all the time

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by allikazoo on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I like AIM

The 90s were a pretty good decade for me.

by 13194013 on Mar 4, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Up here...

…it’s more MSN country. Nobody I know has ever used AIM.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 4, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

well I don't use the actual aim program...

I use a program called Trillan. It connects me to all the chat clients like AIM, Live, Facebook, Google Talk, ICQ, and even connects me to gmail.

The actual AOL program for AIM is terrible.

by madpoopz on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The interesting thing is the developing world is jumping right to cell phones. It’s more efficient to set up a network of towers for cells than it is to string phone lines to a bunch of residences. The only issue is charging it, and that can be done with any source of electricity – that’s why they make solar chargers for electronic devices for campers.

In many poorer areas of the world the only phones around are cells because there is no infrastructure of the phone lines at all.

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by Baroque on Mar 4, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really ingrained in most of my friends'lives or my life.

There are some that love the gadgetry but most of them aren’t tethered to their phones and, shocking for some, don’t take their phones with them in every situation.

by 13194013 on Mar 4, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

generation gap I'd guess

a few years can make a difference. When I was in HS, and I’m not that many years older than you, no one had a cell phone. Within 10 years everyone does.

but we grew up with video game consoles and everyone still plays them in their 30s. When I was a kid, I didn’t know any adults who played.

So I think it’s probably something like that.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 4, 2010 6:24 AM EST up reply actions  

This could be true.

The highschoolers I teach have weird looks on their faces when I tell them I don’t have a cell phone — I might as well tell them I only use Morse code and a telegraph line.

My experience with cell phones (and the people that rely on them) is that they bring out some pretty horrible qualities when it comes to punctuality and responsibility. Once upon a time, if you had to meet someone at a place at 8:00, and you know it takes a while to get there for both people, and on the way you’d be incommunicado, so if you’d better call way in advance if you weren’t going to be able to make it. But if everyone’s always in constant contact, then who cares if you’re going to be late? Just call them on the way, tell them to hold up, and you’re good.

This means that punctuality doesn’t count for anything — especially if you’re a kid who’s never not had one. I’ve seen it myself, over the past ten years I’ve been teaching teenagers: they stroll into class and don’t care that they’re not on time, they hand stuff in late and expect to be accommodated. Maybe I’m just turning into Oldie McGrumpypants, though.

If you want to hear more of this rant, come down to Spring Training from the 13th through the 17th. I’m sure once I have a few beers in me, I’ll be able to get on a pretty good anger-roll.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 4, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

teenagers are often like that

I think that has less to do with cell phones and more to do with the natural self-centeredness. When I was in high school and college there were always a bunch of kids who thought it was okay to think of due dates as suggestions or stroll into class late.

Once they realized that pleading ignorance (usually boys) or starting to tear up (inevitably girls) didn’t work, they either started acting like responsible adults or were gone after the first semester. I think that can be more blamed on the idea that college students are the customers and the “product” has to meet their needs.

To some extent, I can see that – a class should be relevant and if a program claims to prepare a student for a particular field, it should do so – but I never expected my professors to be entertaining, just knowledgeable, competent, decent communicators, and not arbitrary in testing and grading. If they were interesting, entertaining, and incorporated a lot of fun demonstrations or videos or such in their lectures or labs, that was a bonus, but not everyone is a dynamic speaker although they can with practice learn to be an informative one.

Then again, I went to a small and pretty expensive school unless you were on scholarship, so the students who lasted either worked like crazy because it was costing them a lot, or (as in my case) worked like crazy to keep the grades up and keep the scholarship. We didn’t fart around where academics was concerned.

I kind of combine cell phone convenience with land line planning. I try to leave enough time to get somewhere on time, but love the fact that I can call if there is an accident on the beltway to let them know I’m stuck and will be there as soon as I get to the next exit and get off the road, and not to start calling hospitals to see if I was caught in the accident. I think people try to fit too much into available time and see extra time allowed as a buffer for delays as wasted time that they can’t use in doing something productive.

You could try setting up a shredder next to your desk and putting the late assignments in it as soon as they try to hand them in to make a point that late assignments will not be accepted. After all, it isn’t like when I was younger and you had to type them so there wasn’t an extra copy just waiting to be printed off. Do that a few times and even the densest kid will get the message. :)

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by Baroque on Mar 5, 2010 5:43 AM EST up reply actions  

probably

But not much you can do about that. Reproduction is so easy that even lazy idiots can do it, and you can’t force someone to care about the kids they just popped out.

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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

not intended to be

As much as some parents screw up, most of the kids manage to muddle through okay. Even the kid who had every advantage and parents who were involved and caring and both had every intention of doing the right thing can wind up as a drug-addled homeless vagrant, and the kid with parents who were indifferent at times can be a tremendous individual as an adult.

It can be hopeful that most kids wind up growing up into decent adults and not serial killers no matter what the parenting skills are.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 6, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

we are all the product of our environments...

and what you say is true. Even though our environments as children may be better or worse than others there is always a choice and an opportunity for change to take place. One can choose to emulate their environment, or be different from it.

However, sometimes it’s hard to rise above the pain that an environment creates. This is a fact that I am learning. As much as a person may want to change, life sometimes has a way of keeping you down. As a great man once said “It’s not whether you get knocked down, it’s if you get back up.” It’s hard to get back up sometimes when life is punching you in the face.

by madpoopz on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

no kidding

It’s much easier to grow into a decent adult when you have advantages than when you don’t, which is why we care (or at least should) about giving kids the best possible environment to succeed.

Some may still fail in spite of it, and some may succeed without it, but why bother making it harder than it has to be when growing up is plenty hard enough as it is? It’s why I get frustrated with people who argue that their money shouldn’t fund schools because they don’t have kids – I tell them that then they shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from the skills in medicine, for example, that one of those kids develops because they couldn’t be bothered to help them get a good education, or they can’t drive any car that one of the kids grows up and has a hand in designing.

Small amounts invested early have such a much greater chance of return than larger amounts invested later, because they you are just playing catchup.

(My sister’s idea was that sperm and egg cells shouldn’t be able to be activated until each member of a couple could solve a math problem or analyze an essay or balance a chemical equation or something that required thought – I just think it would be great because it would cut down astronomically on drunken pregnancies, because you can’t do that stuff when you are wasted, either!) :)

And I have an uncle whose been punched repeatedly in the face through very little fault of his own and a LOT from his psychotic slut of an ex-wife. My mom (his older sister) helps keep him on an even keel, and so do his two young daughters – one of which at least has inherited his musical talents. She’s started to play the drums and asked her dad if he thought she might be able to be a music teacher when she grows up. Sometimes he gets both of them to sing a little bit of backup for him when he performs, too. :)

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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even bother checking my voice mail – if I see I missed a call, I just call back and ask what they wanted.

I like texting because it’s quiet. If I’m going to talk on the phone, I just put it on speaker so I can still move around and put away dishes or do laundry or something, if it’s going to be a quick conversation than I prefer texting, as if I leave a message then I may not be in a position to answer when they call back.

I’ve found it cuts down on phone tag immensely.

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by Baroque on Mar 4, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Plus I’m a dude. I hate phone calls.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 3, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate messages.

Most people don’t like making phone calls so not text messaging cuts down on people bothering me.

by 13194013 on Mar 4, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I had a dream last night

that the Tigers lost their first four games of the regular season. not exactly the end of the world, but kind of a bummer..

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by allikazoo on Mar 3, 2010 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

that is a nightmare

considering the forth game of the season is the home opener…

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by Detroitchik on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I had a dream (months ago) that it was May 5th

Whoever it was pitching for the Tigers (I think it was Verlander) was not pitching very well. However, in the dream it was a home game and I think in real life the Tigers are in Kansas City on May 5th.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

IMPORTANT QUESTION

Who was it that wanted batted-ball visual locations for pitchers? Like, where the batted balls Justin Verlander gave up landed? What was the reasoning they wanted those, as well?

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

I may have some answers! With caveats, of course. What pitchers? JV and Porcello, right?

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

IMPORTANT ANSWER

I did four pitchers in my fanpost, but if you can figure out just Verlander and show how you did it, I’d be interested to know.

by StringTheory on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

Oooooooh. This fits into my next post nicely. I forgot that your fanpost was about Raburn. This ties everything together.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, here’s what i’ve got. Go here and select your park. Unfortunately you can only do home parks as this is a tool more for batters than pitchers. So set both parks to Comerica and then pick Justin Verlander from the pitcher list. Boom. Your batted ball plot.

Keep in mind: This data does not account for atmospheric data AND the dots are where the fielder retrieved the baseball. So some balls against the wall might not have been in the air when they got there. Those are the two big caveats.

I was going to combine it into my Johnny Damon post that should be up tomorrow at some point, but it was too long.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 3, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Greetings

from Walt Disney World. Still trying to figure out a way down to Lakeland before I fly back to Detroit on Friday.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 3, 2010 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

No rental car?

Kissimmee to Lakeland on Amtrak is $10 each way.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 4, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn

wish I would have known that before I got down there. I did go see a Braves-Pirates game though.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 6, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

SPRING BREAK!!!!

Granted, I’m not going anywhere, but still…

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 5, 2010 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

Gah!

One week to go.

And then I’m in Florida, baby!

by frisbeepilot on Mar 5, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

reminds me of my spring breaks

My friends and I wondered where these kids got the money to go to Cancun and contract STDs – but then again, maybe they figured they better party while they could before their parents saw their grades and decided they weren’t paying any more money for such horrible returns. :D

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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here!

Woo!

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by David Tokarz on Mar 6, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

poor Jason

How painful. He probably would have looked like a Cy Young candidate against Detroit, anyway.

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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I chuckled a bit too

But mostly because Cleveland now has to pay him to not pitch.

I hate Cleveland.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 7, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else watching the Oscars?

Go Hurt Locker!

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by David Tokarz on Mar 7, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

I've not seen Hurt Locker and I don't plan to (I'm just not a big fan of war movies)...

…but from what I can tell, it doesn’t need anyone’s help. The only Best Picture nominees I’ve seen are Up and Avatar. I liked both, but Up has no chance and I think Avatar is more of a technological groundbreaker rather than a storytelling groundbreaker and thus I don’t think it has the oomph to overcome the Academy’s bias against sci-fi.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 7, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep meaning to watch Hurt Locker...

I just saw Fight Club for the first time a few days ago so I’m a little backed up in the movie dept. Just a bit.

by madpoopz on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Sandra Bullock did not deserve Best Actress

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by David Tokarz on Mar 8, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

concur

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by Detroitchik on Mar 8, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

who did?

none were that great imo

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by Detroitchik on Mar 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The girl who got nominated for Precious

Or Meryl Streep.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I got a shiny new guitar.

and am now mastering the art of singing and playing. Maybe I should master the art of singing first but eh, I used to be in a choir so my skills shouldn’t be too diminished.

Anyways…any suggestions on songs to learn? Lets keep in mind that I’m a bass player so my skills with an acoustic guitar are much more limited than my skills with a bass. But my big meaty fists are willing to attempt to learn some new chords if necessary.

by madpoopz on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

Anything by Steely Dan

They have this goofy jazzy chord they jokingly call the “mu major.” Easy and nerdy!

Also, try some alternate-tuning goodness with Zeppelin’s “The Rain Song” — if you can find a decent tab for it.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 8, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I just bought The Show 2010.

Made a catcher in RttS and, man, I loved calling a game. I just need to learn to pick off runners at first and, boom, goes the dynamite.

Next month Out of the Park 11 is released so I will be knee deep in beisbol.

by 13194013 on Mar 8, 2010 2:31 AM EST reply actions  

I am way ahead of the curve video game wise

I’m ensconced in a season of All Star Baseball 2001 on N64.

by ChrisDTX on Mar 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wish I had a PS3 just for the Show.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Best action baseball game out today.

OOTP is still the best management game though.

by 13194013 on Mar 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Perfecto

Today, I reviewed one baseball forum and i found THIS

Maybe you’ve heard about this rare fact

by Grzesio on Mar 8, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

One of the most famous pitching duels in history, in fact

Lew Burdette is a great trivia question answer.

While we’re here, some of my favorite pitching gems are here, here, here, and here.

You read that correctly. Not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES Dave Stieb had no-hitters broken up with 2 outs in the 9th. Including in back-to-back starts. And Pedro took a perfect game into the 10th once.

by ChrisDTX on Mar 8, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes, I remember the near-misses

Up here in Blue Jays Country, every time he’d get a near-miss it’d be the top story on the news. Hell, I remember hearing that he had a no-hitter going (in the game in which he eventually finished it) and actually rooting for the guy — given my hatred for all things Jays when I was a kid, that’s quite a feat.

Back-to-back starts, though… good gravy, that’s awful.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how differently his career would be viewed

if he’d gotten those 3 outs. 4 no-hitters and a perfect game? Yikes.

by ChrisDTX on Mar 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you don't understand me

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by Grzesio on Mar 8, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

They won the world series the next year

I’m sure the fans got over that game…

I knew about that game from when I was a kid, it was mentioned in this book of amazing and strange sports stories I had, which completely fell apart at the end of its life because I read it so often. Other stories in there included one about the Saints kicker who nailed a 63 yard FG (which stood as a record for decades) against the Lions, who had essentially half a foot (Tom Dempsey), some stuff about Casey Stengel, etc…

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by ahtrap on Mar 13, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

question for the U.P. people

When is a nice time to visit Pictured Rocks near the end of the summer and beginning of fall?

Last year I went to Sleeping Bear Dunes, so I figured I’d go a little further afield this time. I’m interested in the scenery and taking nice pictures of the landscape and geology, not in swimming or sunning, so I don’t want it to be too hot. (Although it might not ever be too hot, I don’t know.) I’d also like to see Tacquamenon (sp) Falls again because I haven’t been there since I was in junior high on a family vacation.

(I figured I’ve got the vacation time, and a few friends and acquaintances have passed away disturbingly early this past year, so I may as well not wait until I’m 60 to take a vacation.)

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by Baroque on Mar 9, 2010 3:43 AM EST reply actions  

if you're looking for fall color, the end of september is generally safe

otherwise any time in September should be fine. Honestly, crowds are never all that bad when I’ve been to Pictured Rocks, though. You’ll want to include Grand Marais in your plans, though.

Like all things Michigan, predicting heat, fall color, rain, snow and crowds is basically impossible this far out! But early September is almost always ideal up here.

I was swimming in Superior the final week of the month last year (with fall color almost mid october late), but a few years earlier it was snowing by then.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 9, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been swimming

in Superior while it’s been snowing before

by CMonroe on Mar 9, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I was up in the Porkies around mid-July...

and the weather was absolutely perfect. 70 and sunny everyday. Just beautiful. Not so much in your time frame but if my experience was any indication that’s a perfect time to go up there.

by madpoopz on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

NBC Universal Sports is replaying the Canada-US gold medal game

I’m a thousand times more relaxed watching it now than I was when it was live. Not entirely relaxed, though.

by frisbeepilot on Mar 9, 2010 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

I hate Crosby. :(

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by Baroque on Mar 9, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the gold medal game with my family

After the game was over, my mom’s best friend said she thought Sidney Crosby was cute. I told her it was a bad idea to say that within a 100 mile radius of a Red Wings fan.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 9, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't really judge

I’m old enough to be that child’s mother, so I can’t help but think of smacking him when he annoys me. :)

I just don’t like the way that he is shoved down everyone’s throat as though he is the best player EVER to play hockey. It’s nauseating because I like to choose who I like as a favorite without coercion by marketing flacks. And I know a lot of other hockey fans feel the same way.

It’s like every story about baseball being about the Yankees and the Red Sox – or about A-Rod. Boring, trite, and tiresome – and ticks off everyone who is a fan of any other team.

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by Baroque on Mar 9, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we ALL do

or the majority of us, anyway

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by Detroitchik on Mar 10, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I do not. I love watching him play. He’s so strong on the puck, has surreal vision, great hands, and some of the best anticipation I’ve ever seen.

Then again, there are very few players I hate (ironically, most of them are Wings [Kirk Maltby, Darren McCarty, Chris Osgood]). I love watching great players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Tiger Woods, Lebron James (and I hate the NBA) Peyton Manning (and I hate the NFL), etc etc.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 10, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t like a nut-puncher. That’s just cowardly and lame.

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by Baroque on Mar 10, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

concur

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by Detroitchik on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything great about him vastly overshadows the negatives. The worst complaint ever – and I mean EVER – is that he dives. Good lord. And it annoys me to no end when Wings fans talk about that considering we still play Kirk Maltby to, at some point in this decade, pretend to be an NHLer when he’s as much of an embellisher ever.

People just love to hate the great(s). Some think Ovechkin’s a show-boat. Some think Crosby’s a whiner. Some thing Lidstrom’s too soft. Some thing Joe Thornton can’t win the postseason (I blame Nabby in net. Dude is an abysmal “elite” goalie. He’s just above-average behind some great teams in front of him).

It gets annoying. I think on the whole, NHL fans are the worst fans of baseball, basketball, football and hockey. They are the most biased and on the internet so many come across as wanting to hate every other team way more than they enjoy their team.

/unnecessary rant that I don’t intend to put your way at all as I have no idea what kind of hockey fan you are. Through seeing you post here, I assume you are the major exception to all my complaining above. So don’t take offense!

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 11, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

To me he suffers from "Derek Jeter Syndrome"

He’s a great player, but he’s so overhyped you begin to hate him. The Gretzky comparisons- utter crap. And he was more of a playmaker than a pure scorer for the first three years of his career- not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I believe scorers are much more valuable.

Personally, I despise Crosby because I can’t watch a game without his name and face coming up and my cousin commenting that he’s “hot”. That and the nut punching.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 12, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

When Bettman was giving the keys to the kingdom I knew there was trouble.

By changing things to the lowest common denominator (changing the names of the conferences and divisions, the Southern strategy) the NHL brass has done nothing but dilute the league.

I have always felt that hockey is a spiritual cousin to baseball, in so much as the history of hockey is one of the sport’s strongest selling points. Hockey, like baseball, has a living history that links many fans beyond the colors of their sweaters.

Bettman’s marketing strategy, the lost season debacle, and just ineptness of the league office pretty much turned me off hockey, save the Cup playoffs. You don’t build up a wider audience by ignoring your core; you build off your foundation and use their love to try and foster new fans. I, personally, have managed to make casual fans out of non-hockey folks just because of my fanaticism (this goes double for baseball).

All in all, I enjoy the sport but hate the league.

by 13194013 on Mar 12, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The southern strategy is not working as well as it should

It’s a good idea- there’s a lot of hockey fans down here in NC and I even know a handful from CA (my roommate’s from San Diego). The problem is that every single hockey team gets lumped into the Florida/Atlanta/Phoenix group when you have clubs like Carolina (which has developed sustained success) and Tampa Bay (in a world of hurt now, but they won a cup in 2004, before the lockout), not to mention the Ducks and Sharks in CA.

The problem is execution. You have to have good GM’s and ownership teams in order to have sustained success in small markets, and while Carolina may have that (Karmanos spent up to the cap to open this season and Jim Rutherford is brilliant at turning trash into treasure- see Jokinen, Jussi or Ruutu, Tuomo or Corvo, Joe), nobody else does. The other thing missing is an actual effort to market hockey to southern fans. I live in Charlotte (where the Checkers- soon to be an AHL affiliate of the Hurricanes- are very popular) and go to school in Winston Salem. Raleigh is 2 hours away. Guess how many ads I get for the ’Canes? Guess how often local sports bars put on hockey.

And instead of comparing hockey to other sports, you’re right. The NHL should market it’s uniqueness. There’s nothing wrong with expanding from the base, but the Southern Strategy is not the problem here. The problem is a lack of NHL management to do anything other than to focus on Crosby vs. Ovechkin , an inability to market more than 6 or 7 clubs (a few of the Canadian ones, the Wings, the Blackhawks since they’ve gotten good, the Bruins and the Pens) and stupid decisions on-ice like Baroque was talking about.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The Southern Strategy is the problem

Thanks to the steadfast refusal to admit a good portion of the teams involved are not working and, some would argue, were not going to work out.

Columbus and Nashville are not exactly the right population centers (size/market wise) when Seattle/Portland/Southern Ontario/Larger Southern Cities are around. Certain markets have a hockey tradition and any Northwest excursion would have a rival in the Canucks (though it may not be as instant as the MLS’s Portland-Seattle-Vancouver rivalry).

The NHL is run poorly and the Southern Strategy is not working well enough to continue to hold onto it – it did not bring the NHL into the national consciousness level that it set out to do. The NHL is still a niche brand, almost behind NASCAR at this point if not solidly behind it. There are successes (Bettman has increased revenues by a large margin) but having to explain, change and re-brand a sport to appeal to new fan bases at the scope the NHL has had to do in certain areas is not the blueprint to creating relevance in a market for a sport. Eventually, some of those franchises must be relocated (it worked for Denver, Dallas and North Carolina).

The mess that is the NHL TV contract, franchises that are ineptly run and not creating any new fans all point to a need to modify and abandon parts of the NHL’s current vision to continue to grow. Eventually, being as toxic as some of the NHL’s decisions have been, core fans will stop caring.

Heck, just wait for a few years to see what happens to the NBA when the financial woes are still there and new CBA are hashed out. That is going to be messy.

by 13194013 on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree that some of the teams need to be relocated

Nashville maybe, and definitely the Panthers and the Coyotes. But keeping a couple teams in the south is a good move. It takes time for a sport to build a brand, and tying that brand to one player (like the NBA did with Jordan) is not a good idea.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the southern strategy

of course the NHL probably wouldn’t have had to try it if the northern strategy was working.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 13, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It hasn’t worked for Denver though. No one supports that team and their attendance has done nothing but plummet until they have defied the odds this year and been a 100-point-pace team besides being even in goal differential since the 14 game mark of the year and giving up way more high-scoring-chance shots than the average team.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Denver is going through a rough patch.

But I don’t think they’re going to plummet to the depths of the Florida teams or Phoenix. Denver has shown it will support the Avalanche if the team is winning.

Though that can be said about the other teams, I only remember the Panthers and Lightning having blips of attendance during their playoff runs and only during then.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Panthers have only had a blip of success. So if the criteria is support during successful seasons, then they are meeting that criteria, no?

Tampa’s been a very good attendance team. They’re they most successful of the southern teams, until this year.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa

Has been hurt very badly by the ownership circus. The constant infighting and disagreements about the direction of the team, the rumours about trading or not trading Vincent Lecavalier, the blackmail of players to accept trades in order to move expensive contracts, and douchey moves like charging the employees for parking (which I think is unconscionable because it is an attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the employees who can both least afford it and are least likely to be able to push back) just made the team into a running joke.

I hope that with a new owner with actual real money instead of loans, debts, and promised will bring some stability to the team and a little more comfortable environment for everyone working there.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I would do to be a billionaire. I would’ve bought that team in a millisecond for $150 mil. A team that has proven a fanbase will turnout so long as you’re a competent team and a decent player in Lecavalier … if he’s interested in playing, of course.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. Go into it with the attitude that it isn’t going to make a ton of money, but managed properly will break even …

I think some people have the ideas of short term big profits dancing in their heads, and that is really unusual with any business, let alone a sports team. Some long-term thinking would do wonders.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

long term Denver will be fine

Because they have the important factor of a stable ownership situation with the deep pockets to survive through a down year or two without panicking and selling off all the best players in a desperate attempt to reduce payroll, or dumping draft picks for fading veterans in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs and get a few more dollars, etc.

They will possibly lose money in a down year, but the ownership can lose a bit now and then because they have the financial buffer that can get them through the down times with the roster intact, management not distracted by crazy front office speculation, and as players improve and/or get healthy they will be a better team and attract more fans and make up for the shortfall in the down years.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Denver will likely be fine. It looks a hell of a lot better than it did before last July. They looked dead in the water with little in the minors to help them. They’ve got good building blocks, got my favorite FA of the year in Craig Andersen. But, they’ve got a long road ahead as their farm system isn’t that stocked and the NHL talent isn’t overly impressive, despite their place in the standings.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What were they supposed to build up? Even at their height they still weren’t exactly beating out any of the other three sports. Hockey’s fans are rabid and regional and nothing more.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey was at least shown and recognized even out of its regional markets.

Today, though, hockey is even more of an afterthought. Instead of cultivating new fans by selling the uniqueness of hockey, the league is basically shoving things up its own butt in hopes that the terrible freakshow act will get a few more viewers.

The tuning down of presentation to attract folks that probably wouldn’t be interested doesn’t create new fans and alienates the base. You need to use your already created fanbase to spread, not hope that shoving teams in non-traditional markets will spread the word. That is an unfair burden to those markets, fans and teams.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree with most of this. Not sure it’s as cut and dry as “just spread your current fan base.” It hasn’t ever been a ratings hot bed sport in the past (unless someone can correct me. I don’t have the facts in front of me but I remember reading an article or two about the ratings being 3rd or 4th among the 4 major sports). Personally, I don’t think it’ll ever be more than a regional sport, even with HD TV being more widespread.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't as simple as a or b.

But the logistics of brand extension, marketing and whatnot is way more complex than I can really go into aside from basic things like demographics and regional recognition.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if they don't spread

And remain essentially a regional sport, they can still be very effective and profitable at that. I think that the people in charge of the NHL have to realize that it is a multi-billion dollar revenue business across two countries, and that within that model they can be very successful. Not every store has to have retail outlets in every single city to be successful – if they recognize that they are unique, it is a sport that won’t appeal to everyone but those who are fans are loyal and devoted, and they won’t ever take over from a lot of other sports across the entire continent … recognize the strengths and build on that, and if the sport grows more slowly than others because there isn’t the fanbase to support it, fine.

The problem is when they fall prey to NFL envy and want the big TV deal and the huge profits that football has. That won’t happen in the NHL. There won’t be a huge TV deal, the profits are going to be more modest, and if they adjust their expectations accordingly I think everyone will be a lot better off.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The aggressive expansion and relocation remind me more of the NBA.

Especially since Bettman worked for Stern Vader and all.

I also lament the lack of an NHL team in the Pacific Northwest United States. I do like the WHL though and love the rivalries between Spokane-Portland-Seattle-Tri-Cities.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have heard

That the issue with Seattle is lack of an owner in the area interested in funding one.

I’d like to see the other 29 owners, instead of funding a team owned by the NHL, instead spend their money on relocating it – I bet if an owner willing to buy the team got some help starting it up, that there would be more interest.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There certainly is a void for fall sports in Seattle

Thanks to the theft of the SuperSonics.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by David Tokarz on Mar 12, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They talk about Crosby because 9/10 times the Pens are the team that will be on the next nationally televised game. And if it’s not him, it’s Ovechkin. If it’s not him, then it’s like the Wings-Hawks. And if its not them, then it’s not a day the NHL is on national television. It appears like he’s getting talked about a lot because the Pens are on TV a lot. It’s like A-Rod or Jeter or the Red Sox. They are on the TV the most, so they get talked about the most. It’s not like Doc Emerik is yelling “Waffleboarded away by Luongo on a shot Sidney Crosby would’ve scored on.” The hatred for him is superceding the amount of times he’s brought up in relevance either in upcoming games they are promoting or in discussion — which a lot of the time revolves around what a player does well. Like faceoffs or strength on the puck, or vision or whatever. All of which, Crosby excels at.

I’m not defending the NHL’s officiating — that is indefensible. There needs to be a system of higher pay for officials to get the best kids under 30 to become officials and need to move out the old, slow officials. They are inconsistent with punishments and play favorites.

Okay, I will mildly defend the NHL’s refs: Hockey is the toughest game to officiate. I’ve reffed some rec league games of 12 year old kids. It’s insanely difficult at that level. So the fact that officials suck is something I don’t get entirely worked up about because it’s not like calling balls and strikes. It’s effin’ hard. So hard.

It comes across like way too many fans spend way too much time hating a league that they ‘love’ and not enough time, you know, loving it.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree. The Gretzky comps are 100% applicable. He’ll never match the point totals but when Gretzky was playing in an era that featured nearly 8 goals a game between two teams, it’s hard to not rack up 200 points as the best player in the league. I believe goal scorers are more valuable, but he’s shedding that label, isn’t he considering he’s going to be a rocket richard finalist (though, I think most of that is “luck” so to speak. His shooting percentage is nearly 5% higher than any other point in his career. Given his career average S% of 14.1% coming into this year, he should be around 35 goals, not 45).

I could care less if women think he’s hot. That doesn’t bother me (also, few people that I know even like hockey, let alone any female friends). He’s the face the league and should be marketed as such; like the NHL is doing.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hit the nail on the head

regarding Nabokov. See this year’s Canada-Russia game for how “elite” he really is when he doesn’t have a solid defense in front of him.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, I root for the Sharks

and “solid defense” is not how I would describe the Sharks. Then again Nabby doesn’t make me feel great about the postseason either.

I think he’s a good regular season goalie and a bad pressure situation goalie.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo Sharks! :)

Heh. I’m just bored with them constantly being on the verge but not quite making it – as a fan of the team I would expect it would be infuriating.

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

a birthday present I got this year:

http://twitpic.com/xgt3x

Like i said in a past thread, I have nothing against the Wings. Well, now. I kind of hated them for awhile for constantly interfering with my viewing of Tigers games.

It’s just that I got so entirely bored of them and the NHL that I didn’t watch for years and when I came back to it last season at the behest of a Sharks fan who is a friend, I just rather enjoyed rooting for them.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like the Sharks, but I wish they would just win something already so everyone will stop talking about how close they are to being a Cup team – they remind me a little of Peyton Manning before he won the Super Bowl.

Great guy, nice, polite, everyone was pulling for him, but he just … couldn’t … quite … make it.

And I like sharks, the animals, so they have that going for them. Teal is an oddball color for a hockey uniform though – at least is isn’t some kind of pastel blue or mint green.

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Nabokov performed exactly as I expected him to during the Olympics – he was adequate, but no more.

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Players are fantastic, the sport is outstanding, the fans are great – the NHL is just run by incompetent clowns. :(

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

incompetent ass clowns*

a more accurate description, IMO. I’m not a fan of Crosby, mostly for the reasons mentioned above. I like some of the other young stars in the league (at least those that don’t beat up cab drivers), and I’m a big fan of Ovechkin’s. Some think he’s a showboat, but it looks like he’s just having fun playing the game.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 13, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin is a total showboat – I just don’t think that there is anything wrong with that. He’s an incredibly extroverted personality, and honestly if the worst hockey has (other than the alcohol problems that any group of men in that age group is going to have, unfortunately) is “this guy celebrates too enthusiastically” they are so far ahead of sports with guys taking guns into the locker room, getting involved in shootings at nightclubs that leave security guards partially paralyzed, or shooting themselves in their own thighs (seriously, I know little more than which end of the muzzle to point away from your face, and even I know it’s a bad idea to stash a loaded gun in your sweatpants!) they should count themselves lucky. Even Sean Avery isn’t that bad – he’s crude, rude, and obnoxious, but if the media would stop quoting him he’d stop talking at just play hockey, because he’s not a bad player if he keeps his mouth shut a little bit.

And I was trying to be somewhat polite in an attempt to not wear out the curse symbol keys on my computer. :)

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

By the by, this is one of the best conversations I’ve had online about the NHL. So, I appreciate it, everyone.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

that you have to go to a baseball site to do so. But I agree, it’s fun.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy

That’s because the spittle-emitting rabid wackos are screaming “no hockey teams in cities WHERE IT DOESN’T EVEN SNOW!!!11” (so Vancouver much blow their tiny little pea brains out of the water) on the other blogs and don’t even venture onto baseball blogs because “Boreball is so @$^^#ing boring!!!11 Slow and stupid lololol.”

(And I think I hurt my brain trying to type like a primitive primate for effect.)

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there is one thing baseball has taught me it is patience.

And how to hate the Designated Hitter rule.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough, I feel much more dramatic tension in baseball than I do in any other of the "big four" sports

And as for the DH, well, it’s been around my entire life. I can’t imagine the AL without it. At the same time, I don’t want the NL to use the DH. I like that the two leagues are different.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 14, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love both hockey and baseball

And oddly enough, the pacing is what I like about each sport.

I love the frantic speed of a hockey game late in the third period when there is a one-goal lead and the team trailing is frantically trying to tie it up until the horn sounds and your team has held on for the win and you realize that you haven’t breathed in a longer time than you thought.

And I also love the tension as a dangerous hitter is up and you can see the catcher and pitcher trying to figure out how best to get him out with as little damage as possible, and with each pitch that is fouled off you start to wonder when he is going to finally strike the hell out already!

Basketball and football hold my interest not at all. Too much stop and start and way too choppy. Either a slow flow or rapid one, I like my action fairly constant.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good basketball game has a beautiful flow.

But I prefer college style more.

Hockey can be so nerve wracking, just like baseball. They are my two favorite sports.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like the college game

Too guard oriented and without a lot of athleticism other than a couple players.

I used to like the NBA game, love great athleticism. But I don’t like the style of play in the NBA a whole lot.

basketball can be beautiful, it’s just not lately.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 14, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love college basketball. I hate the NBA (but love watching Lebron, no lies. Dude is a freak of nature). I fell out of love with college b-ball the last couple of years but am getting back into it this year. Forgot how much I missed it.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with the NBA

isn’t the athletes. It’s the money. Everyone is too concerned with the big pay day and players aren’t putting in the effort to do the little things like they used to. You don’t see guys like Charles Oakley or Dennis Rodman (minus the psycho, Ron Artest has that covered) anymore. Ben Wallace is about as close as we get now, but even he isn’t what he used to be after the Palace Brawl. The NBA is too concerned with sponsorship money to let the players police themselves like they used to. If anyone watched the Reggie Miller documentary on ESPN last night, the difference between then and now is like night and day.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, that doesn’t bother me as much as the style of play. Dribble for a while and then let the best player take it from the top of the key towards the hoop without dribbling and getting inconsistent block/charge calls for the and-one.

But, I could watch Lebron James all day long. I don’t care if he’s the leading contributor of what I just described.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

to me, he was the final nail in the coffin

I can’t stand they way the way theyoffciate him, and then he became this caricature with his dancing the jig on the sidelines and acting like an idiot. I hate that. I used to like him, too.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dancing doesn't bother me too much

at the end of the day, his job is to entertain and he’s doing it very well. I do have a problem with the officiating though. There was an article I read a few months back (trying to find it…) about how he’s called for just over 1 foul per game, yet shoots like 10-12 free throws each night. I’m ok with him getting into the lane and drawing contact, but he needs to be called for the same stuff on the other end of the floor.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

HATER

I think Lebron is the toughest guy to officiate, though. He’s so huge, so fast, and so tough that he’s often taking contact that other guys can’t get through and he makes it look like he’s not touched. Like how Shaq wouldn’t get calls that are technically fouls because he’s so big.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 17, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crab dribble.

Make more crap up Lebron.

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by 13194013 on Mar 17, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

CRAB DRIBBLE!

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by 13194013 on Mar 18, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no one I’d rather watch crab dribble in the world then Lebron-Freaking-James.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 19, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is crab dribbling?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 19, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

according to lebron...

that’s the point. Nobody knows.

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by madpoopz on Mar 19, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

anagram Lebron James

and you get JEER MAN SLOB.

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by Baroque on Mar 19, 2010 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

BOOOO @ YOU. DH all the way. Get the pitchers to focus on their job: Pitching.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm shaking my fist at you.

Darn kids! Get off my lawn.

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by 13194013 on Mar 15, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saw some creative ideas over at the Book Blog by tom tango. Off the top of my head:

-Let the home team decide.
-Tie the DH to the SP: So once the SP comes out, you must take out the DH.
-Decision after the first PA. DH must come out OR the SP must come out.

The first two are really, really intriguing to me.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the second one

since generally relief pitchers don’t take bats anyway.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

The other two are kind of meh.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 19, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I do not need to see any more incredibly awkward swings from people who clearly have no idea what they are doing on that side of the plate.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

but when it's guys like rick porcello

and other dudes that can kinda hit, it’s awesome :)

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by allikazoo on Mar 15, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

A-f'in-greed

I’ll take three run homers over the double switch any day. Plus you don’t see the starter pulled in the 6th inning for a slightly better pinch hitter. I don’t have any stats, but it feels like NL games are longer because of this.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t remember where I saw it, but I vaguely remember a study that showed because of this, the average NL game was almost identical in terms of time to the average AL game despite NL games having less runs scored. Everyone complains about the DH adding time to the AL game because of more offense, but the “strategy” of the NL is just as time consuming.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I didn’t think about the AL games taking longer because of more runs scored. I guess it makes sense that it evens out in the end.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to say this here, since I know better than to do so on a front page post

seeing lots of casper and donnie kelly totally made today’s crazy travel day worth it. kthx.

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by allikazoo on Mar 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

LAKELand here I come!!!

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by wepri31 on Mar 12, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

have a great time!

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm picking at a scab, but I can't help it

Article on Granderson and the Yankee’s hitting coach working on correcting his mechanical flaws so he can hit lefties better: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/sports/baseball/13yankees.html?ref=sports

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 7:25 AM EST reply actions  

mornin'

grumble*grumble*LloydMcClendon*grumble

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by ahtrap on Mar 13, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly. With more grumbling, even.

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

And he’ll be doing it in pinstripes. :(

//picks at scab some more

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by Baroque on Mar 13, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Just so long as he's not doing it as a left fielder

That would seem wrong. I don’t like all that talk about having him switch positions.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 13, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

just another reason to hate the Yankees

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 13, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Torii Hunter >>> Brett Gardner

or whoever else the Yankees put in CF

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard

Jim and Dan talking before today’s game. They said the Yanks are talking about leaving Grandy in CF and putting Gardner in LF

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by Detroitchik on Mar 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good idea

does Gardner catch that ball that Grady Sizemore hit last year to save the game? No way.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard not to hit lefties better than last season

and he’d have done it in Detroit too. What I think we’re going to be interested in is significant improvement.

The problem with spring training stories is that the plotline is typically:

“Player A had a horrible time at the plate last year. He is trying Fix B. Look, his results improved! Fix B worked!”

Now when Granderson had a paltry BABIP of .226 vs. left handed pitching (40 points off his career average, it’s quite likely he’d have improved by changing nothing at all.

Maybe the Yankees’ batting coach will make a difference. Or maybe it wll just be statistical noise. We’ll have to see how it plays out!

By the way, in 2007 Grandy hit even worse against lefties than he did in 2009 — strange we didn’t hear claims of platoon player after that season! — and he improved greatly in 2008.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So random idea

Lets say Bondo, Willis and Robertson all end the spring well. Instead of optioning one of them, here’s a thought- send Porcello down to AAA to get 5 or 6 starts to refine his breaking stuff. Then when one of the three starts to suck or gets hurt, you bring him back up. Cuts Porcello’s service time, cuts his innings a little (or at least the amounts of stressful ones), improves his breaking stuff and gives us a little more leverage if we wanted to tender him a long-term deal.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 13, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Other than for money/contract reasons (of which I know nothing about)

I want to see him in Detroit. He earned his spot last year with the big boys. Spring Training isn’t always the best indicator of how a player’s season will pan out. If Porcello struggles, then maybe he could go down to Toledo, but I think he’s in the D to stay.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

concur with rob

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by Detroitchik on Mar 14, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either this is a stat I don't know about, or someone at the Free Press made a really strange typo

From their article on today’s game:

Bonderman, who has missed most of the last 161/27 seasons with a shoulder problems, was also encouraged with his three innings of work.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 13, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

That April 7th game that FSD wasn't going to air because of the Red Wings and Pistons?

According to today’s game notes, they will join the game in progress once the Red Wings game is over (around 10 PM or so). I would politely ask the Wings to win their game in regulation and not go to overtime or shootouts or anything like that.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 14, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

AMEN to that

Fortunately it’s against the BJs and they aren’t a dirty cheap-shotting team, so the post-whistle scrums should be kept to a minimum and the game should move along pretty quickly.

//crosses fingers

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

BJs = Blue Jackets :)

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just say Columbus

Although I don’t understand why they put them in Columbus instead of Cleveland…

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

The Coyotes would be better off if the arena wasn’t built in the suburb of Glendale but closer to the fans, but at the time the ownership got a sweet real estate break.

Typical of companies in general in the US that they see “look how much this saves us to get this tax break or free land!” and never think “how much more will it cost to build the infrastructure that isn’t there and whatnot.” Shortsighted.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely a bone-headed move on the arena location.

I also, without any research, think Phoenix is reaping its just desserts for their atrocious original sweaters.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

those were GHASTLY

The new ones are much nicer. I also like the blue Nashville ones (although the checkerboard stripe is pretty lame), so now bring back the retro Oilers blue and orange ones and get rid of the Buffaslug and the team uniforms will look much better leaguewide.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the Oilers and Sabres.

Agreed also on the Gretzky point. I kind of wish Dallas could be the Stars and the Wild could go back to being the Northstars if only because I liked the old N pointing to the star logo.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. The sport has such a rich history in the jerseys; I think that’s why fans get so nervous when they talk about changing them. The cash-grab of thirds is bad enough.

I remember after the lockout when teams were unveiling their new jerseys and the anxiety I had about some of them, hoping that there wasn’t a monstrosity where once there was a classic, historic logo and color scheme – it was a relief when teams didn’t have major changes. I read at the time that Reebok apparently pushed some teams to make more changes than they wanted to (including the Red Wings), but they fortunately had the sense to say no.

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am against most third jerseys.

They are almost universally awful. At least the Sluggalo is nowhere near as bad as the Gordon’s Fisherman.

Hockey and baseball have some really classic uniforms that I am glad are still generally the same for decades.

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by 13194013 on Mar 14, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the 'Canes third

The black is really sweet looking. But a lot really suck.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

they aren't bad

Just that EVERYONE went with black, so it got really boring, really fast.

Didn’t help that officials blamed it for losing sight of the puck. If that might have been a problem, they should have thought of it before.

Their regular uniforms are really nice, though.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Carolina ever

Comes up with a third that has nothing on the front but “CANES” in big block letters, I hope you do your patriotic fan duty and set them all on fire.

The BOLTS and SENS monstrosities break new ground in hockey awfulness. :(

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, I will

And maybe the RBC Center with them. That would be HIDEOUS.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ottawa

Is especially bad because the font slants in the wrong way. Opponents have taken to calling it the SNES jersey. And with all the godawful odd color patterns it’s just … barf.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I could rec this 1000 times I would.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like

the Wings jerseys that were used during last year’s Winter Classic. Those were nice.

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minnesota’s green thirds are my favorite jersey in hockey now. I LOVE them. I’ve got a huge love for cream colors instead of white in jerseys, though.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

With some teams it works – gives it kind of a vintage feel. It would work with the Bruins if they went with a gold and cream concept, too, and I could see it working well with the Blackhawks (I think they are going to introduce their jerseys from the outdoor game in Wrigley as thirds next season), but I can’t see anything other than white with teams like Detroit and Montreal. Too much history in those looks.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe their winter classic jerseys are their thirds this year already. I do like them.

Good point. It doesn’t work for MTL or DET, but nearly any other non original 6 team it’d work for I think.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want teams to stop using navy blue. Especially when they weren’t navy blue in the past. I’m looking at you Buffalo and St. Louis.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 15, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Need a new logo and jersey?

Dark blue’s your answer!

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by 13194013 on Mar 15, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

but navy blue is the new black! :)

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't like the Buffalo Slug?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the slug

But love these old logos.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice jerseys

I kinda like the slug. Is that weird?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

What’s wrong with the slug?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The slug is too XTREEM

Just too late 90s need for a more “mean/scary” looking logo and I hate anthropomorphized logos.

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by 13194013 on Mar 15, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that logo but HATE THAT IT’S NAVY BLUE. Where’s the goodness of the 1990’s. Argh it infuriates me.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, they should have used the same blue

I don’t know why they darken everything. It just makes them look all the same.

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by Baroque on Mar 16, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the same reason St. Louis did. And Edmonton. And the Islanders.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 17, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

(And for thinking that Gretzky could coach.)

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by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More news on this game

Via Jason Beck.

The game will be replayed in its entirety at midnight. Therefore, they’ll be “broadcasting” the entire game, which means those of you who live out-of-market and subscribe to MLB.tv might be able to get the whole game starting at 8:10, while those of us “in-market” will have to settle for the radio broadcast for the first two hours.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daylight Savings Time

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by handsomerob1 on Mar 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

FYI

SB Nation knows about the firefox problem its sites are having

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

For what it's worth

I wasn’t having massive problems like Detroitchik and some others were, but the icons next to some of the links were missing. They’re back now, so hopefully that means that SBN is close to having things sorted out.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame the unmitigated evil of DST!

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 14, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw an exact replica of Emilio Estevez at work today...

So now I’ve waited upon Mike Maroth and Emilio Estevez. Who will it be tomorrow?

by madpoopz on Mar 14, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If Roy Halliday shows up ...

Kidnap him and drive him down to Florida – or let me drive him down. I have a pretty good sized trunk and will call in sick for a few days. :D

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um...

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

You wouldn’t like Halliday on the team if he decided to take a little break from spring training and showed up in a Meijer in Michigan? :D

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

*sigh

I guess he could coach Kid Rick for a while… just don’t get arrested.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

pfft

I’d pretend I was Canadian and claim diplomatic immunity.

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by Baroque on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

did not see this reply coming.

Good thing I have minions.

by madpoopz on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

But him using ‘limited sample size’ is a small sampling of his word choice in and of itself. It’s pretty likely he’d drop a “small sample size” in a future post.

small sample size.

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Now I write at Bless You Boys.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

oddly addicting, these anagrams

Rick Porcello = PERIL OR CLOCK

Here: http://www.deanjackson.dj/nameanagram/

(I’ve been wasting time on these all day.)

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by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

type in New York Yankees

Spooky!

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by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Must be a Sox fan that runs it.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

now do New York Rangers :)

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by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

for giggles

Given her reputation – try “Elisha Cuthbert.”

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I lol'd

Does that make me a bad person?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it does

Then I am just as bad. It’s just too perfectly WRONG to not be funny.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

bwahahaha!

“George Clooney” is also very appropriate.

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by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Clooney's

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine is sad and pathetic

IT A JUICIEST CRAP

Welcome to Detroit, NO sissies allowed

by Detroitchik on Mar 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

my full name

is THIS CREEPIER MAN-EATER

If I just use my first and middle name, it’s I AM CHEERIER ANT. I like that one better.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 17, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Avila.

Angelina Jolie

In a long distance relationship with the Tigers--and, yes, we're doing fine.

by wepri31 on Mar 18, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Mar 19, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because I wanted to waste time, I typed in all the team names

They’re all pretty funny, but Atlanta Braves, Milwaukee Brewers, Texas Rangers, Kansas City Royals, and Chicago White Sox give especially funny results.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 17, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

Wake won at basketball. I’m shocked.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

hi kids

i’m at SXSW walking/drinking too much and not sleeping enough. I’ve been checking BYB when I’m waiting in lines and stuff, but it feels weird to be a little out of the baseball loop! I’ll be home sunday and will probably watch mlb.tv all day upon arrival.

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by allikazoo on Mar 19, 2010 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

SXSW?

So jealous. Film reviews?

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by David Tokarz on Mar 19, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT? Color me jealous. Would love to go to SXSW.

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Now I write at Bless You Boys.

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by Mike Rogers on Mar 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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