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For your consideration: The Detroit Tigers All-Suck team

In response to my post earlier today about the Tigers naming their All-Decade Team for the aughts, specifically the part where I claimed there just as easily could be an "All-Suck" team, BYB commenter "Misopogon" (aka Seth,.the Tiger guy from "The Wright Stache") took it upon himself to e-mail me.  He told me he was having trouble logging into SBNation.

In addition, I received a long, well thought out and funny diatribe about Tigers futility.

I didn't want his All-Suck team to be lost in the wilderness, plus I was thinking of doing my own post anyway. No need, as Seth already did the work!

So with his permission, I'm posting his All-Suck team on the front page, and letting you all have it in the comments.

Here's what "Misopogon" had to say:

The all-suck team. Brilliant.
 
Rules: It had to be starters -- crappy injury call-ups and designated backups don't count. Was Neifi Perez in a Tiger uniform at one point? Christ help us, yes. Was he supposed to be anything other than a backup glove man? No.
 
Non-injury-related Opening Day Starters all count, as do all players who played a plurality of one season at a given position, even if that wasn't planned. I also count established MLB trade acquisitions who quickly washed out, even if their actual time on the Tigers was minimal, since their expected contribution was much greater.
 
For each player, I figured their value as the sum of their contributions while a Tiger from 2000 to 2009. Years before that don't help you (sorry Damion, Deivi and Higgy), and neither does it help if you moved on to become a star for another team (stern look, Carlos Pena).
 
My All-Suck Seventeen:
 
C     Meluskey
1B     Pena
2B     Infante
SS     Renteria
3B     Truby
LF     Jones
CF     Kingsale
RF     Higgy
DH     Palmer? (Note from Al: DH is explained below)
SP     Lima
SP     Washburn
SP     Willis
SP     Holt
SP     Cornejo
MR     Grilli
SU     German
CL     Anderson

 After the jump, the thought process behind the Tigers All-Suck team...

Star-divide

Catcher: Mitch Meluskey
Candidates: Gerald Laird (2009), Pudge Rodriguez (2004-08), Brandon Inge (2002-03), Rob Fick (2001), Mitch Meluskey (2001), Brad Ausmus (2000).
 
There are a lot of trades that fans can rag on, but if there's ever a case of a trade being dumb from the get-go....how is it Randy Smith is the only guy in the world who didn't know Meluskey's .300 batting average in 2000 was a red herring? He couldn't hit, couldn't catch, certainly couldn't replace one of the only beloved Tigers of the time, and to top it all off, was a prick.
 
1st Base: Carlos Pena
Candidates: Miguel Cabrera (2007-09), Sean Casey (2006), Carlos Pena (2003-06), Chris Shelton (2005-06), Randall Simon (2002), Tony "The Tiger" Clark (2000-01)
 
The Year of the One Thousand Bad 1st Basemen (2000) had guys like Greg Jefferies and Hal Morris (not to mention Rob Fick), but Tony was Plan 1 and is the only guy who counts. Carlos Pena could be putrid at times, but then he would always flash a bit of that brilliance he finally discovered in Tampa Bay. Simon couldn't take a pitch or a throw to 1st base, but he at least got the bat on the ball. Shelton tailed off after his hot start in '06, but he was okay. Overall, Pena's not bad, but picture Pena on those days when he didn't go 6-for-6. In the end, I went with Pena over Shelton because Big Red beat him out twice for the job.
 
2nd Base: Omar Infante
Candidates: Placido Polanco (2005-2009), Omar Infante (2004), Fernando Vina (2004), Ramon Santiago (2003), Hal Morris (2003), Damion Easley (2000-02).
 
I could take the easy way out and go with Vina, since he contributed about diddly squat. But he was a poor man's Placido for the limited time he played, and I'm not one to count injuries against guys. So then what? Ramon Santiago was tagged by Tram, but he was really a shortstop. However, Infante's move to 2nd base was probably the lowlight of his career. Infante actually hit better than Easley while playing in the hole, but Easley's defense trumped the catastrophe that Infante was in '04.
 
Shortstop: Edgar Renteria
Candidates: Adam Everett (2009), Ramon Santiago (2002-03, 2009), Edgar Renteria (2008), Carlos Guillen (2004-07), Omar Infante (2003), Ramon Santiago (2003), Shane Halter (2001-02), Deivi Cruz (2000).
 
Renteria wins out, even though some of the individual seasons by his competition were much worse statistically, since he and his untucked shirt personified the can't-defend Tigers of 2008.
 
Third Base: Chris Truby
Candidates: Brandon Inge (2005-07, 2009), Carlos Guillen (2008), Miguel Cabrera (2008), Eric Munson (2003-04), Chris Truby (2002), Jose Macias (2001), Dean Palmer (2000-01).
 
So much suck to choose from, but you tagged this one right. Truby's probably the worst Tiger starter in my lifetime, except perhaps one guy coming up....
 
Left Field: Jaques Jones
Candidates: Ryan Raburn (2009), Carlos Guillen (2009), Marcus Thames (2008), Jaques Jones (2008), Craig Monroe (2003, 2006-07), Rondell White (2004-05), Bobby Higginson (2000-02).
 
Aquiring Jones was obviously a flop. That it caused us to play Marcus Thames and Gary Sheffield in left for much of the season makes it a bigger flop. True or false: had we let Timo Perez play left all year, 2008 would have gone a little better? Amiright?
 
Centerfield: Gene Kingsale
(Note from Al: That's SIR Gene Kingsale!)
Candidates: Curtis Granderson (2006-09), Nook Logan (2005), Craig Monroe (2005), Alex Sanchez (2003-04), Gene Kingsale (2003), Wendell Magee (2002), Jose Macias (2002), Roger Cedeno (2001), Juan Encarnacion (2000).
 
In case you don't remember (Note from Al: To be honest, I'd rather not) the utter black hole of talent we had in centerfield since Co-Park opened, remember that Kingsale beat out Hiram Bocachica and George Lombard, all of whom were aquired for that same position.   Trivia: which one was "Tram's Man" (after pre-2003 Spring Training interview). Also remember that after Grandy, the "Toolshed" Encarnacion was probably our second-BEST!
 
Right Field: Bobby Higginson
Candidates: Magglio Ordonez (2005-09), Bobby Higginson (2003-04), Rob Fick (2002), Juan Encarnacion (2001), Juan Gonzalez who can go screw himself (2000)
 
When Bobby moved to right field, he was so awful that Tiger fans still don't remember how good he used to be. I'd rather not talk about how bad Higgy was during his right field stay, because it's depressing and I liked Bobby. Fick was a pathetic fielder, but he hit pretty well while trying to learn the outfield. I'd love to stick it to Juan-Gone who can go screw himself here, but I'm gonna just leave it at he can really go screw himself and screw that guy. (Note from Al: Trust me, Seth didn't use "screw")
 
Designated Hitter: Why did you have to bring up Juan Gonzalez? This was a fun exercise until you brough him up.
 
Yes, well screw Juan Gonzalez.
 
Your candidates for DH are Carlos Guillen, Gary Sheffield, Marcus Thames, Dmitri Young, Dean Palmer, Luis Polonia, and Juan Gonzalez and screw him. (Note from Al: See what I said above)
 
Starting Pitchers: Jose Lima, Jarrod Washburn, Dontrelle Willis, Chris Holt, and Nate Cornejo (HM: Adam Bernaro, Gary Knotts)


Candidates: Oh my God are we really going to do this? Okay, fine, but I'm not giving you years. Here's guys:
Washburn, Willis, Verlander, Jackson, Porcello, Bonderman, Galarraga, Miner, Kenny Rogers, Nasty Nate, Mike Maroth, Chad Durbin, Sean Douglass, Jason Johnson, Gary Knotts, Adam Bernaro, Nate Cornejo, Jeff Weaver, Steve Sparks, Mark Redman, Jose Lima, Chris Holt, Dave Mlicki, Hideo Nomo and Brian Moehler.
 
People still rag on Mlicki today, but he wasn't as bad as the guys above, for one, and two, he would at least give the bullpen a rest. He and Sparks together were always good for a 4-run game that Tigers could win 6-4 or lose 4-3. Washburn and Willis have to make the list for, respectively, tanking our chances in '09, and personally killing the buzz from 2006-07. That all the other guys I chose (and the runners up) were all in the same rotation together at one time is a testament to how awful our pitching was before Dombrowski had the marvelous idea of collecting pitchers who can throw a fastball.
 
Middle Relief: Jason Grilli

Candidates: Dude, I know you're just waiting for me to say it, so rather than give you a whole list of every Fu-Te-Ni the Tigers have rolled out in the aughts, I'll just say it: C.J. Nitkowski.
 
Like, duh.
 
Setup Man: Franklyn German

Candidates: Brandon Lyon, Aquilino Lopez, Bobby Seay, Freddy Dolsi, Fernando Rodney, Joel Zumaya, Kyle Farnsworth, Franklyn German, Esteban Yan, Jamie Walker, Julio Santana, Jose Paniagua, Juan Acevedo, Matt Anderson, Danny Patterson, Doug Brocail
 
Look it up: Lopez pitched more 8th innings than Seay or Dolsi in 2008. Man that year sucked. But not as bad as German sucked as setup man in 2005. He later found a role as guy-who-blows-save-then-wins-in-extra-innings. German is the second guy from the DD-defining Weaver deal to appear on this list, which says to me "whoa, we got two bad major leaguers and one halfway decent one for Jeff Weaver, and I criticized it at the time? Shows what I know!"
 
Closer: Matt Anderson
Candidates: Fernando Rodney, Todd Jones, Ugueth Urbina, Franklyn German, Juan Acevedo, Matt Anderson
 
I counted German as '03's closer. It's not like there were actually many games to SAVE in 2003 -- most 9th innings (the 107 we actually even got to see) were basically Chris Spurling or Chris Mears or Matt Roney working on their curveballs at the end of a blowout. Anyway, there's plenty of bad here, but Matt Anderson after he lost his velocity and ability to find the strike zone was a special brand of crummy closer.

There you have it, folks. Now you know why I had to throw this up on the front page for dicussion. And I apologize for any traumatic memories Seth's list may have brought back.

Looking back at the past decade, who would you have on a Tigers All-Suck Team?

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I saw Meluskey play in AAA.

Along with Rich Harden. I couldn’t help myself and boo’d MM.

Dontrelle Willis apologist.

by 13194013 on Mar 17, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

OK

no offense to anyone (obviously) but this is the funniest, and in some ways, best post i’ve read on byb. It’s good to make fun of yourself sometimes, ya know?

by ChrisDTX on Mar 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Now you know why I had to get this on the front page!

I laughed all the way thru it…if only to keep from crying.

Let alone I thought I’d never have to hear the name Hiram Bocachica again…

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by BigAl on Mar 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hiram Mouth Girl!

For some time, I had to work in Brownsville, Tx. One of the main streets there is Bocachica Blvd. I’ll be damned if I didn’t think of Hiram every time I saw that sign…

by ChrisDTX on Mar 17, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I love the image of mouth girl

It actually means “little mouth” (chico/a is an adjective for small). In Spanish you can’t put two nouns together, so “chica” here has to be an adjective. (There is a Bocachica in the Dominican Republic. My guess is it was so named because it was founded on a small port—the mouth of a river.)

Okay, the Spanish teacher is done. The Tiger fan returns to say: awesome post.

by Dale S on Mar 18, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, FWIW

how in the hell did Jose Mesa not even garner a nomination?

by ChrisDTX on Mar 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

He should have won for setup

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, hell yes

The only thing I can think of is because his gaping vortex of suck only lasted a couple months, not an entire season.

(And you know how rarely I out-and-out bash players)

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 17, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

JOE TABLE RULES

you bite your tongue… ok he was awful, definitely deserving of a mention on this abyss of awful

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by JoelZumayaKegStand on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had really fond memories of Felipe Lira and thought he should be on the list, but alas, his second go round with the Tigers ended in ’99. I found some disturbing google images of a Brazilian DJ by the same name.

by cloud wall on Mar 17, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Binge For Worst Catcher!

Great 3B, but he’s a crap catcher.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 17, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

^This^

I love watching Inge as a third baseman. I HATED watching him as a catcher.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep, Inge can cover both positions on a worst of team

http://www.spotstarters.com/?p=2874

Listed below is the all bum team of the last 20 years. I’ve looked at Tigers stats from 1990-2009 and put together a team that would rival the 2003 Tigers. Enjoy.

C: Brandon Inge (2001): Believe it or not, this is actually when I sort of liked Inge. He was a scrappy young catcher who l loved watching behind at the plate. At the plate it was another story. In 202 plate appearnaces, Inge clubbed 11 extra base hits (all doubles). He hit a paltry .180 and posted an OPS+ of only 24.

1B: Eddie Williams (1996): Williams was brought on to add a little pop to the Tigers lineup prior to the 1996 season. He responed with a .200 batting average (OPS+ 45) and 6 homers in an injury-plagued season.

2B: Jody Reed (1997): Reed was a scrappy little doubles hitter early on his days with Boston. He was pretty clearly washed up by the time he joined the Tigers in 1997. He played in only 52 games for the Tigers and hit a robust .196 (OPS+ 32). He didn’t make anyone forget Lou Whitaker.

3B: Chris Truby (2002): I’ve noted Truby’s failures on this site before as he truly had one of the weakest offensive seasons I’ve ever seen. He hit .199 in almost 300 plate appearances with 71 strikeouts and only five walks. Five walks!

SS:Deivi Cruz (1997): Cruz wouldn’t draw a walk if you dared him. He also got more playing time than anyone on this list. In 1997, Cruz got 467 plate appearances and drew 14 walks all season. His OBP was a depressing .263. How in the world does someone that bad get that much playing time!

OF: Kenny Williams (1990): The current White Sox GM had arguably the worst offensive season of anyone on this list. He was so bad that he played in only 57 games. However, in that time he did plenty of damage putting up this line: .133/.170/.157. That’s worse than most pitchers. What a mess.

OF: Danny Bautista (1995): Bautista put together a fine career in the NL after leaving the Tigers, but boy, he just couldn’t get it going in Detroit. In 1995, Bautista got 289 plate appearances and had on OBP of only .237. He did swing hard and managed to hit seven home runs while striking out way too much.

OF: Gene Kingsale (2003): Gene Kingsale is awesome because he’s from Aruba. However, he was a total mess as a member of the 2003 Tigers, the worst team in AL history. Kingsale got some starts back in 2003 and responded with a .208 average and a single home run.

by Bargepole on Mar 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a casual fan as a kid and sorted of drifted away while I was in high school and college

I still often wore Tigers t-shirts around campus, even though the Tigers were a bad team (granted, I didn’t know how bad), but I didn’t know anyone on the team (I finally got re-acquainted with the Tigers in very late 2006 and figured out who everyone was by early 2007). Therefore, I don’t recognize most of the guys in that list. Even Bobby Higginson is just a name to me. I get the feeling I should be thankful for that.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

consider yourself lucky

you missed a lot of craptacular baseball

by ChrisDTX on Mar 17, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it got so bad that i actually stopped admitting i was a fan...

…out loud, anyway. although there were some stinkers before, the 2001-04 years were just brutal to watch, especially since i mostly spent them in the baseball talent vortex of western PA and WV. there was literally no major league caliber baseball being played where i could see it.

not until Tram semi-revived them did i actually admit to being a Tiger fan again. and not until 2006 was i able to stop saying that they “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory”…until 2008, anyway.

by GreatGooglyMoogly on Mar 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

2003

Was some of the worst baseball imaginable. I asked my mom at one point how she could watch it (I was at my parents’ place dropping something off and they had the game on) since it was so very, very bad – she said that a lifetime of being a Cubs fan gave her an extremely high tolerance to terrible baseball.

I must admit it certainly built up my immunity.

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by Baroque on Mar 18, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to say I have an immunity.

Since being a fan of Detroit teams has many a punch to the gut and disappointing finish but I can’t muster such a thing. I wear a heart on my sleeve… I found it near the recycle bins and just haven’t got it in my to return it.

Dontrelle Willis apologist.

by 13194013 on Mar 18, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

one guy that sticks out,

Troy Percival. no one remembers him because he never contributed in our one good year. Then the next year saved a butt load of games for TB, while our bullpen was horrendous. I wonder how that d-bag felt when they gave him a ring in ’06.

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Mar 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That guy got a ring?

I always thought he should give back about half of his salary, or resign with the Tigers for league minimum. Talk about dashed hopes.

by MarkL on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitch Freakin' Melusky....

One of those, I’m going to bed, let’s see what the headlines say on a couple of sites, and then I just spent the last 5 minutes laughing my head off (and crying a bit) at some of these memories.

Funny thing, I remember George Lombard and Hiram Bocachica), but I don’t recall Kingsale at all.

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by ahtrap on Mar 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Didnt Trevor Hoffman play for the Tigers

Didnt Hoffman sign for big money with Tigers, injure his arm, take a share of world series winnings, and then sign up a year or two later with another team?

by HairyPutter on Mar 18, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

OOPS.

Confused Troy Percival with Trevor Hoffman. Sorry Trevor! Percival should have been biggest bust as a closer.

by HairyPutter on Mar 18, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Astros Throwaways on the List

Brad Ausmus, Mitch Meluskey, Adam Everett, Chris Truby, Eric Munson, Alex Sanchez, Roger Cedeno, Jose Lima, Chris Holt, Brian Mohler, Brandon Lyon, Doug Brocail and Todd Jones.
Will someone please tell Dombroski to stop trading with the Astros!! They Suck!

by Marcmargolis on Mar 18, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Ausmus was passable

And Lyon/Jones were good pitchers- not great ones, but solid.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Munson was a Tigers draft pick

as was Moehler. They went to the Astros after leaving Detroit. Alex Sanchez came from Milwaukee and, as far as I can tell, never played with the Astros.

by russkiejedi on Mar 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

So they're our NL suck counterpart

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by ReichardZ on Mar 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neifi Perez should qualify.

He may have been intended as a backup, but Leyland played him enough that he seemed like a starter. And man, was he terrible.

by russkiejedi on Mar 18, 2010 3:34 AM EDT reply actions  

You might want to check a few of your facts

We acquired Perez on August 20, 2006 because Polanco dislocated his shoulder and was DL’d for over a month. At the same time, Carlos Guillen was day to day with a strained hammy. Omar Infante was getting the bulk of playing time at 2b in Polanco’s absence. Ramon Santiago got the bulk of PT for Guillen when he needed time off.

Overall in 2006, Perez started in 14 games at 2b and 4 games at SS, so he wasn’t even considered full-time when he backed-up to our back-ups Infante/Santiago.

In ’07 he started in just 16 games before being suspended for rest of the season after failing several drug tests. Yes his hitting was terrible, but his defense was fairly decent. Most importantly, he helped fill the voids when our starters were too injured to play. You should never expect much from back-up players.

by linuxit on Mar 18, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know your last decade was bad....

when your all decade RF is also your all suck RF. Think that somebody should say something nice about Juan Gonzalez, but couldn’t find any Rangers fans.

by 77bestrookieclassever on Mar 18, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that was more of a problem with the "best" list than anythin

how is Magglio Ordonez not better than Higginson?

I don’t think there’s an argument to be made for Higgy other than “we thought including the entire 2006 team would be boring.”

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 18, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about Renteria and Grilli sucking.

They weren’t good, but they weren’t terrible either. We still haven’t found decent replacements for either player.

by linuxit on Mar 18, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

We've found a bullpen full of decent replacements for Grilli.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 18, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who exactly are these decent replacements?

We had 24 blown saves last year.
Zumaya had 6
Miner had 4
Seay had 4
Perry had 3
Ni had 2
-——————
Dolsi had 1
Lyon had 3
Rodney had 1

Grilli had just 3 blown saves in the 2+ seasons he was here.

by linuxit on Mar 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's because . . .

They seldom dared to put him in the game in a save situation.

Grilli had just 3 blown saves in the 2+ seasons he was here.

by rea on Mar 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had 20 holds.

Is that seldom?
 He was often the 1st guy out of the pen after the starter ran out of gas.

by linuxit on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

regardless of the situation.

by linuxit on Mar 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Despite the fact that saves are bullshit?

ERA+ (Career)

Jason Grilli: 96
Fu-Ti-Ni: 176
Miner: 107 (oddly enough, 2 points HIGHER than Jack Morris’s career ERA+)
Seay: 109
Perry: 121

And Grilli’s ERA+ is boosted by 2008, where he posted an ERA+ over 150… and that will never happen again, considering that he’s been below average 2 of the last 3 years. Jason Grilli blows chunks. He had two okay years in 05-06, a great year in 08 and he’s sucked since.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, I don't really care enough about him to hate him that much

He was extremely frustrating and I wish the Tigers would do better AGAINST him (and I’ll make fun of him along with everyone else), but Kyle Farnsworth is much more blood-boiling to me.

by SabreRoseTiger on Mar 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grilli's damage...

..was situational. It’s not that he would blow more games than the next guy, or give up as many runs. But he would be good and quiet and keep the ERA down against, say, Seattle, and then when facing the Sox/Twins/Yankees he’d morph into a gas can.

Grilli was particularly bad with inherited runners. You’d get a fantastic performance from, say, Nate Robertson going toe to toe with some big-money pitcher, but maybe Leyland stretched Nate a bit and now Grilli comes in with 2 runners in the 7th with the score tied 3-3 because the Tigers just got 3 runs last frame and we’re feeling like we can win this game we had no business winning. Then Grilli gives up a single, and it’s 4-3. Then he gives up a double, and it’s 5-3 with no outs and two RiSP, and Nate’s ERA just went up, and at this moment you’re ready to blame Inge’s knee and Michigan basketball and Global Warming on Grilli.

That’s Grilli in a nutshell.

by Misopogon on Mar 23, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

But don’t act like he’s irreplaceable. He’s the definition of replaceable.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 18, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

And I hate his guts for reasons I can’t even remember at this point but as a Tiger he wasn’t terrible but nor was he great.

Just relevant enough until the next best thing came along.

by madpoopz on Mar 19, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar Renteria

was the suckiest, most pathetic SS I can recall in years

Welcome to Detroit, NO sissies allowed

by Detroitchik on Mar 18, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

A blown save can happen in a non-save situation

I’m pretty sure you can get a blown save by losing the lead in an inning other than the 9th. You can only get a save in the 9th. For non-closers, it’s better to compare holds and blown saves. (maybe they should be called blown holds). However, it can’t happen when you are behind. So maybe that’s how he was usually used.
Grilli’s not as bad as we make him out to be, but he is really fun to pick on. I think part of it is the name.
It’s too hard to pick the suckiest middle reliever, there’s been so much. I mean, really, the middle reliever is neither good enough to start nor to close, so wouldn’t most middle relievers, by definition, suck?

by MarkL on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

After checking out Grilli's career stats...

I saw he was drafted #4 overall by the Giants in 1997.

NUMBER FOUR!!!

OVERALL!!!

Now that’s a team with an eye for suck. And to think, they were actually good back then.

by MarkL on Mar 18, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I have Gary Knotts signature on a ball here on my desk

It also has the Tigers Logo and Bob Cluck’s signature.

Great sigining opportunities at Coors Field that day!

by Twas Brillig on Mar 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My all suck team

C Inge
1B Pena
2B Infante
SS Everett
3B Inge
LF Jones
CF Logan
RF Higginson
DH Sheffield
SP Willis 2008
SP Willis 2009
SP Willis 2010, the mere thought of it
SP Lima
SP Cornejo
MR Grilli
SU German
RP Zumaya, 2007, 08, 09
CL Anderson

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 18, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

My all BAD contract team

None of these guys could be GIVEN away for nothing to another GM:
C Inge, 2008 on
C Pudge, once DD picked up his option in 08
1B Pena
2B Easley, 01, 02
SS Everett, Renteria
3B Inge
LF Guillen
CF Granderson, apparently since DD traded him so he could sign a closer
RF Ordonez
DH D Young, 2006
SP Bonderman
SP Willis
SP Robertson
SP Washedburnt, 2009
RP Grilli
RP Jose Mesa
CL Todd Jones 2008

Query; How many of these were options picked up or extensions of unproven or washed up players that were preventable?

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 18, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Granderson was dealt for talent reasons

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by David Tokarz on Mar 18, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

The Tigers did not get value for Granderson in talent. One wannabe Granderson, one minor league reliever, and a LOOGY.
DD could not replace ANY of the departing free agents without increasing payroll above 2009. That is an indisputable mathematical fact. He had four contracts of players making over $ 5 million in 2010 that another GM MIGHT be willing to take. Granderson, Jackson, Verlander, and Cabrera. Miguel’s contract could not be unloaded for equal value without the Tigers paying part of the contract. Otherwise, they come up short on talent. So, Verlander was extended while Jackson and Granderson were spun into cheaper players, making room to sign a closer.

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mesa!

I can finally post again. Thanks to BigAl for posting this for me during my hiatus.

Also, I totally forgot Mesa was an Opening Day answer at setup. Good call.

= bad.

by Misopogon on Mar 23, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

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