Don Kelly in good position to be Tigers' 25th man
Theoretically, anyone left in the Tigers' camp could make the 25-man roster. In reality, there's only about four positional players who are in the running for the 25th roster spot.
And before I delve too far into it, I'd like to point out we can debate about the 25th man until we're blue in the face, but in reality it's not all that important unless it's your career being discussed. None of these moves will make or break the season, and it's probable the opening day roster will be reshuffled by the end of April.
But hey, it's spring training and this is a blog, so this is what we do!
The central players in this debate: OF Clete Thomas, IF Don Kelly, IF Jeff Larish and IF Brent Dlugach. Not all infielders are created equal, of course, so a quick sketch of the players:
Kelly: Can play second base and third base capably. Also an outfielder.
Larish: Can play first and third base, but has less experience as a third baseman. Doesn't do it real great.
Dlugach: Can play both middle infield spots and third base.
Thomas: Can play all three outfield positions. Seems more comfortable in right field than left, though.
Ryan Raburn: He's on the team, but I just want to tell you, just because he has played second base years ago in the minor leagues does not make him a second baseman. He was not all that pretty as a third baseman either, but he can play there. He's really best as an outfielder.
Tigers and Mudhens positional players
Tigers infielders |
Tigers outfielders |
Mudhens infielders |
Mudhens outfielders |
Players to add to the teams: |
| 1B Miguel Cabrera | RF Magglio Ordonez | 1B? Ryan Strieby | RF Brennan Boesch | IF/OF Don Kelly |
| 2B Scott Sizemore | CF Austin Jackson | 2B | CF Casper Wells | OF Clete Thomas |
| 3B Brandon Inge | LF Johnny Damon | 3B | LF | IF Brent Dlugach |
| SS Adam Everett | 4th Ryan Raburn | SS Cale Iorg? | 4th? Ryan Strieby | IF Jeff Larish |
| Util Ramon Santiago | OF/DH Carlos Guillen | IF/OF Kory Casto | ? | OF Wilkin Ramirez |
The Tigers roster must equal 11, given there are two catchers. Toledo's isn't as important. And don't worry if you can't fill in every position for Toledo, there's always minor league players to fill in the holes.
Everyone listed with a team is a pretty safe bet to be with that team. Yes, I realize Adam Everett hasn't hit the ball this month. But the Tigers knew what they were doing in signing him for his glove. He's safe. Santiago, too, is safe.
Looking at the possible roster versions using both Detroit and Toledo, including looking at options remaining, helped give me an idea what would be ideal for creating roster flexibility and enough playing time for the bunch of prospects stacking up in Toledo.
The key problem in solving this: Toledo's outfield is a mess of too many names and too little playing time, with Ryan Strieby, Brennan Boesch and Casper Wells already in Toledo, probably joined by Wilkin Ramirez and possibly by Clete Thomas. Unless there's a trade, anyway, which is looking more and more likely to me. Admitting Strieby is a first baseman would be a good first step.
Past that, here is what I come up with for the contenders:
25th man
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Reasoning |
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Best jack-of-all-trades
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IF/OF Don Kelly |
Argument for: Kelly has no options remaining and may be lost. He's had a nice spring and fields quite a few positions, including both second and third base, where Scott Sizemore and Brandon Inge are returning from injuries and may need more time off. And he bats left handed, giving flexibility to a RH heavy roster. Argument against: Kelly has not made the most of his major league time in the past, which should weigh more heavily than their spring training results. He's a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none. He's probably not a real in-demand player and getting him through waivers may not be that difficult. |
Best infield help
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IF Brent Dlugach |
Arguments for: Solid infield defense at three positions is good insurance for second and third bases. Possible he may be able to hit decently. He'd had a nice spring. Arguments against: Why do something possibly irreversible in losing a useful utility player like Kelly when there's room to stash Dlugach away in Toledo until an opportunity for more consistent playing time arises due to injury or at the end of this season? |
Best defensive replacement
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OF Clete Thomas |
Argument for: Thomas is the best outfield defensive replacement available, primarily for Magglio Ordonez, but also for Johnny Damon if necessary. He bats left handed. He has speed as a pinch runner, too. He seems to be hitting better this spring training session. This also ensure the Mud Hens do not have too many outfielders competing for playing time. Argument against: Too many outfielders in Detroit. Didn't hit real well in his last major league opportunity. Has option available. |
Best batter: |
IF Jeff Larish |
Arguments for: Gives the Tigers a powerful left-handed bat off the bench, which provides some late-innings flexibility. Has the potential to be a good batter. Can maybe play some third base. Arguments against: Has option available. Has never lived up to potential in prior opportunities, and will not have consistent playing time on this current Tigers roster either. Next year might be a better chance for him. |
Almost no shot |
OF Wilkin Ramirez
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Argument for: Has decent tools. Should be able to run for speed, hit for power and play capable corner outfield defense. Argument against: Has to work on the breaking pitch, could use consistent work in the minors until next season. |
My best bet? I think it's likely Kelly who makes the roster. But if not, it's probably Dlugach for the infield insurance policy. I'd like to see the Tigers have better outfield defense with Thomas there, but it doesn't make sense until Inge and Sizemore are completely healthy and can handle the playing time.
I don't know what Detroit will do about Toledo's too many outfielders, but a trade could happen there. Or maybe a trade of Kelly is possible, too, though like I said I don't think there's great demand out there. Maybe in the NL. You never know.
I think it's too early to say with any confidence what the Tigers are going to do.
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The most useful, not the best player . . .
. . .is Kelly, and that’s who we should take. Thomas is better, but less useful, because he can’t cover the IF. Dloogy has had a nice spring, and made himself into a contender to start next year—but giving him only limited playing time in the majors as a utility player would be a waste. Larish—past failure, not good enough defensively anywhere useful. Ramirez—toolsy rep never converted into actual success at baseball. Trade him now, before everyone else catches on to the fact that he’s never going to be good.
by rea on Mar 22, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, except...
Larish is pretty solid at first and not as bad as everyone is saying at third. I have watched him make some pretty good plays this spring. With Inge departing next season though perhaps it would be best though for Larish to start at third this season in Toledo.
by JAYRC on Mar 22, 2010 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The other thing to consider
is that Larish is a non-roster play, so to add him to the big club would mean someone has to vacate a spot on the 40-man. So not only does he need to out-perform the guys you listed, but would have to show enough value to risk losing another player as well.
If they chose Larish over Kelly, Kelly would end up DFA
so it wasn’t a real issue of consideration for me
by Kurt Mensching on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wow...
that futurama reference never occurred to me.
I’m ashamed.
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Great post...
…and a really nice use of tables…Woo Ha. Am I alone in thinking that Toledo should average 7 runs per game this season?
Good post
I have to ask why the Tigers need to have 12 pitchers, and hence, only 13 position players? We all know that Leyland seems to ride his best guys as much as he can (which he should). This applies to both the starters (Verlander pitched the most innings in the majors last year) and his best relievers. Often the last guy in his pen will go quite some time between appearance. Given the pedigree of some of the guys who’ll be in the pen (Coke, Miner, Bonine?) as starters, why can’t they get away with 11 pitchers, at least in the early going?
Granted, there is still the issue of 14 offensive guys and 9 lineup spots, but why do they need to keep 12 pitchers?
Don Kelly
One thought on Don Kelly and a possible trade- he was placed on waivers last summer and nobody claimed him. Then I believe what happened is the Tigers signed him to a minor league contract. Has his value changed much since then?
not so much his value
like I pointed out, there’s a decent chance he could get through waivers. But the rosters of other teams have changed and maybe they look at their roster and see a need for a utilityman like him. You never know
by Kurt Mensching on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post
I agree that it will be Kelly. Also agree a trade is very possible. We give up an OF or Kelly for a young infield prospect perhaps.
In days before the DH, clubs would sometimes go north with 9 pitchers and then add a 10th toward the end of the April. The reasoning was that there were open dates and rainouts in April which eased the load. Following this logic, Leyland could leave his 12th pitcher (let’s say B. Thomas) in Toledo, and take both Kelly and Clete.
Of course, all this trouble could have been avoided if we had not signed Damon. Is he really $8mm better than Clete (or Wells for that matter)?
take a look at the april schedule though
there’s only one off day. Sure the possibility of rainouts (snowouts?) exists but I don’t think they will count on being able to survive with four starters.
As for the number of position players and pitchers, Leyland seems to run pretty much with the standard.
by Kurt Mensching on Mar 22, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
NO SNOW!!!!
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by Detroitchik on Mar 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure that trading an OF makes sense either. I don’t think we will bring damon back next year and pray for magglio to not get enough ABs for that option to kick in. Free agent signings with standing the OF should thin out next season.
come to think of it
can we have a counter on the front page tracking how many ABs magglio needs?
Maggs isn't going anywhere
bet on it
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by Detroitchik on Mar 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
ALSO
the season hasn’t even started yet. Before you go trading him off why don’t you see what he does this year. In his entire career he’s only had 2 bad seasons and the other one beside 2009 was way back in 1998 when he numbers could almost be mirrored to last seasons. Look for a big season from Maggs. When were in contention down the stretch, we’ll need his bat and you can bet on that.
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by Detroitchik on Mar 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroitchik is gonna kick your butt but hoping against Maggs.
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you too poopz?
I am taking names….
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by Detroitchik on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
whoa there little lady...
I was merely warning the man about the potential ramifications of routing against Maggs around here.
I would like my butt to remain bruise free. Magg’s can have Lairds AB’s along with his own if he’d like.
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Seriously
I saw that comment and just said “uh oh,” knowing what would happen.
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by handsomerob1 on Mar 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You do
I hope I didn’t word that the wrong way. I just laughed when I read rjschroed’s comment because I knew you’d be all over it.
by handsomerob1 on Mar 24, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No you didn't word it wrong, and I laughed too when i read it
Most everyone knows I have "big big big big " Maggs love, some of which has nothing to do with baseball, but If i am going to defend him validly, I better have good reasons behind it, other than I think he’s pretty.
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by Detroitchik on Mar 24, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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